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How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionaries

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China justified in punishing subversion - Global Times

The People's Republic of China does not play around when it comes to defending the rightful people's government against Western backed radicals who wish to eliminate democracy and replace it with capitalistic corporate rule.

If only our government here in the United States had the same morals, conviction, and rightful power to punish enemies of democracy, such as Donald Trump, the NRA, or David Duke and their supporters.
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

China justified in punishing subversion - Global Times

The People's Republic of China does not play around when it comes to defending the rightful people's government against Western backed radicals who wish to eliminate democracy and replace it with capitalistic corporate rule.

If only our government here in the United States had the same morals, conviction, and rightful power to punish enemies of democracy, such as Donald Trump, the NRA, or David Duke and their supporters.

If only I had blonde hair.
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

If only I had blonde hair.

What does that have to do with anything?
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

That's simply not how democracy works. If you can't see how using political power to destroy people who disagree with you is incompatible with democracy, I'm not sure what to tell you.
 

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China justified in punishing subversion - Global Times

The People's Republic of China does not play around when it comes to defending the rightful people's government against Western backed radicals who wish to eliminate democracy and replace it with capitalistic corporate rule.

If only our government here in the United States had the same morals, conviction, and rightful power to punish enemies of democracy, such as Donald Trump, the NRA, or David Duke and their supporters.

These people vote in a way I disagree with! I must protect democracy from bad votes!

Trump and Duke aren't an attack on democracy, they're the result of it. Worst form of government, except for all the others.
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

China justified in punishing subversion - Global Times

The People's Republic of China does not play around when it comes to defending the rightful people's government against Western backed radicals who wish to eliminate democracy and replace it with capitalistic corporate rule.

If only our government here in the United States had the same morals, conviction, and rightful power to punish enemies of democracy, such as Donald Trump, the NRA, or David Duke and their supporters.

If only you'd go away for good.
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

That's simply not how democracy works. If you can't see how using political power to destroy people who disagree with you is incompatible with democracy, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Democracy means the RULE OF THE PEOPLE in Greek. Elections and voting don't make a country a democracy, the people's will does. Fools like Donald Trump, NRA and citizens united lobbying, and biased right wing propaganda like Fox News, and racist laws such as voter-id distort and silence the voice of the people. The fact that there are elections means nothing if angry racists are allowed to corrupt and distort the will of the people with their hate speech.
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

Democracy means the RULE OF THE PEOPLE in Greek. Elections and voting don't make a country a democracy, the people's will does. Fools like Donald Trump, NRA and citizens united lobbying, and biased right wing propaganda like Fox News, and racist laws such as voter-id distort and silence the voice of the people. The fact that there are elections means nothing if angry racists are allowed to corrupt and distort the will of the people with their hate speech.

And who exactly is the infallible and incorruptible judge who gets to determine what opinions and beliefs are acceptable for people to have? I might oppose almost everything you listed, but you cannot take away people's rights to hold an opinion, right or wrong, without resorting to tyranny.
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

Same to you
The difference between me and you Ganapathy, is that people here actually like me.

So why would I ever go away?
 

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And who exactly is the infallible and incorruptible judge who gets to determine what opinions and beliefs are acceptable for people to have? I might oppose almost everything you listed, but you cannot take away people's rights to hold an opinion, right or wrong, without resorting to tyranny.

There is no right for any person to hold a racist, bigoted, or reactionary opinion. In fact, allowing these opinions to be held and even encouraged in society is directly contract to true democracy, where the good of the people as a whole, not only one race, is the ultimate goal of government.
 

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The difference between me and you Ganapathy, is that people here actually like me.

So why would I ever go away?

Yeah, it's too bad that once you get out of this right wing echochamber, you'll realize that old white reactionaries are dying out, and that the voters and leaders of the future are your worst nightmare: diverse, educated, and forward thinking.
 

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And who exactly is the infallible and incorruptible judge who gets to determine what opinions and beliefs are acceptable for people to have? I might oppose almost everything you listed, but you cannot take away people's rights to hold an opinion, right or wrong, without resorting to tyranny.

And what, exactly, is wrong with tyranny? Nothing, if you're a commie.
 

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Yeah, it's too bad that once you get out of this right wing echochamber, you'll realize that old white reactionaries are dying out, and that the voters and leaders of the future are your worst nightmare: diverse, educated, and forward thinking.

DP isn't a right-wing echo chamber. If you want one, go to USMB.

Debate Politics is literally the only balanced political website I've ever come across.

Just because people have different opinions form your own doesn't mean it's a "right-wing echo chamber".
 

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Re: How a government of the people, for the people, deals with right wing reactionari

There is no right for any person to hold a racist, bigoted, or reactionary opinion. In fact, allowing these opinions to be held and even encouraged in society is directly contract to true democracy, where the good of the people as a whole, not only one race, is the ultimate goal of government.

Again, who is the arbiter of what is bigoted and racist, not to mention reactionary? How can you possibly think that those in power will not abuse the power to shut down opposition?
 

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Again, who is the arbiter of what is bigoted and racist, not to mention reactionary? How can you possibly think that those in power will not abuse the power to shut down opposition?

When the opposition is based on racism white privelege, and antiquated Adam Smith-esque economics, it is in the best interests of true democracy for the opposition to be shut down, and even punished if necessary.
 

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Again, who is the arbiter of what is bigoted and racist, not to mention reactionary? How can you possibly think that those in power will not abuse the power to shut down opposition?

That's the point. It will be abused because Ganapathy WANTS to shut down the opposition.
 

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Yeah, it's too bad that once you get out of this right wing echochamber, you'll realize that old white reactionaries are dying out, and that the voters and leaders of the future are your worst nightmare: diverse, educated, and forward thinking.

Quite the contrary. Most of the "forward-thinking" commies I see blathering on sites like this one are poorly educated and none too bright. It IS the stuff of nightmares to imagine that totalitarian-minded dim bulbs of their kind may be making policies that apply to the rest of us.
 

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When the opposition is based on racism white privelege, and antiquated Adam Smith-esque economics, it is in the best interests of true democracy for the opposition to be shut down, and even punished if necessary.

Who determines what counts as racism? I have been accused of being almost every emotionally charged word under the sun - everything from ideologies like leftist, communist, and right-winger to the kind you're throwing out like bigot and racist, all for the sake of shutting down my opinion. Under your interpretation of democracy, it is entirely possible for me to be sent to prison for disagreeing with those in power, if they see fit to start name-calling.
 

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There is no right for any person to hold a racist, bigoted, or reactionary opinion. In fact, allowing these opinions to be held and even encouraged in society is directly contract to true democracy, where the good of the people as a whole, not only one race, is the ultimate goal of government.

Do you believe China govt. is a true democracy?
 

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Do you believe China govt. is a true democracy?

Absolutely. The Chinese government serves the well being of the people, and punishes reactionaries who oppose the people's will. That is the definition of a true democracy.

Meanwhile, the U.S is nowhere near a true democracy. The fact that right wing organizations like the NRA, Fox News, Citizens United, etc. are allowed to lobby and corrupt the government, and pass laws against the well being of the average citizen, shows that the U.S is nowhere near democracy.
 

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If only I had blonde hair.

Ditto Maggie. Some things are just too silly to merit an effort to respond. Sort of fits somewhere in the category of "only an idiot argues with an . . . .
 

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That's the point. It will be abused because Ganapathy WANTS to shut down the opposition.
I don't think it's so much people like Ganapathy want to shut down opposition, but the HAVE to because their ideas are so bad and so detrimental to the population that they could never survive on their own.
 

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Is that you, Tom Tuttle of Tacoma?




Democracy means the RULE OF THE PEOPLE in Greek. Elections and voting don't make a country a democracy, the people's will does. Fools like Donald Trump, NRA and citizens united lobbying, and biased right wing propaganda like Fox News, and racist laws such as voter-id distort and silence the voice of the people. The fact that there are elections means nothing if angry racists are allowed to corrupt and distort the will of the people with their hate speech.
 

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Absolutely. The Chinese government serves the well being of the people, and punishes reactionaries who oppose the people's will. That is the definition of a true democracy.

Meanwhile, the U.S is nowhere near a true democracy. The fact that right wing organizations like the NRA, Fox News, Citizens United, etc. are allowed to lobby and corrupt the government, and pass laws against the well being of the average citizen, shows that the U.S is nowhere near democracy.

If the US is so awful, why don't you go back to China and stay there? You probably can't get DP there because the government controls the Internet access, but hey, nobody here will miss you.

We'll see how long it takes before you get tossed in a prison camp for thought crime.
 
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