House Rejects time table for Iraq pull out... (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

42 democrats voted along with with 212 republicans to stay the course in Iraq..........This is a sound defeat for the Cut and Run democrats like Kerry, Pelosi and Murtha and a great victory for President Brush.........

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-06-16-16-33-08



WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House on Friday rejected a timetable for pulling U.S. forces out of Iraq after a ferociously partisan debate, forcing lawmakers in both parties to go on record on a major issue in re-election campaigns nationwide.

A day after the Senate took the same position against troop withdrawal, the GOP-led House voted 256-153 to approve a nonbinding resolution that says an "arbitrary date for the withdrawal or redeployment" of American forces is not in the national interest.

"Achieving victory is our only option," declared House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, casting Democrats as defeatists who want to retreat in the face of terrorist threats. "We must not shy away

 

[ShamMol]

Oh I love the spin...listen I agree with you that we should stay in Iraq and clean up what we created, but stop with all the rhetoric. It is not stay the course and it is not cut and run. Just call it like it is - either they want stay in Iraq or they want to pull out. Those are the two non-rhetorical options.

 

[Navy Pride]

Oh I love the spin...listen I agree with you that we should stay in Iraq and clean up what we created, but stop with all the rhetoric. It is not stay the course and it is not cut and run. Just call it like it is - either they want stay in Iraq or they want to pull out. Those are the two non-rhetorical options.

Do you even watch the news? Have you heard Kerry and Murtha's comments lately? They are Cut and Run my friend.........they can not be deciphered any other way............

I love it that 42 democrats broke with their party and voted to stay the course.....The democratic party is in total disarray......

 

[ShamMol]

Do you even watch the news? Have you heard Kerry and Murtha's comments lately? They are Cut and Run my friend.........they can not be deciphered any other way............

I love it that 42 democrats broke with their party and voted to stay the course.....The democratic party is in total disarray......

They want to pull the troops out, not this made up phrase of cut and run. It can be deciphered in the non-rhetorical way, or your way.

 

[Navy Pride]

They want to pull the troops out, not this made up phrase of cut and run. It can be deciphered in the non-rhetorical way, or your way.

Kerry's latest position (It changes every other week depending on who he is talking to) is to get out of Iraq by December 2006................Murthat is for cutting and running immediately......

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its usually a duck my friend.........

 

[ShamMol]

Kerry's latest position (It changes every other week depending on who he is talking to) is to get out of Iraq by December 2006................Murthat is for cutting and running immediately......

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its usually a duck my friend.........

You said it yourself. They want to "get out of Iraq," not this rhetorical cut and run nonsense. If you use it when describing it, then you obviously are just piping up the rhetoric to serve your cause.

 

[Navy Pride]

You said it yourself. They want to "get out of Iraq," not this rhetorical cut and run nonsense. If you use it when describing it, then you obviously are just piping up the rhetoric to serve your cause.

What is the difference in getting out of Iraq immediately and cutting and running?

 

[ShamMol]

What is the difference in getting out of Iraq immediately and cutting and running?

The language. One uses rhetoric to advance a point. The other is literally what they are advocating. Cutting and running is rhetoric. Getting out of Iraq is literal.

 

[Navy Pride]

The language. One uses rhetoric to advance a point. The other is literally what they are advocating. Cutting and running is rhetoric. Getting out of Iraq is literal.

I guess you can parce words anyway you want but the bottom line is cutting and running in that you are leaving Iraq before the job is done and thousands of Iraqis that were friendly towards us will be murdered.........

Thje vote was even worse for the liberals and democrats in the Senate..........93-6.............

 

[ShamMol]

I guess you can parce words anyway you want but the bottom line is cutting and running in that you are leaving Iraq before the job is done and thousands of Iraqis that were friendly towards us will be murdered.........

Thje vote was even worse for the liberals and democrats in the Senate..........93-6.............

The bottom line is that we need to fix the situation there before we do anything. Before we pull out troops, we need to make sure there are enough Iraqis to take their place. BEFORE we pull out troops, we need to know that they will be safe from neighboring countries. But that doesn't mean we have to villify the people who debate on the other side of the issue, it doesn't mean we have to call them names or misrepresent their positions by using rhetorical phrases.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I guess you can parce words anyway you want but the bottom line is cutting and running in that you are leaving Iraq before the job is done and thousands of Iraqis that were friendly towards us will be murdered.........

Thje vote was even worse for the liberals and democrats in the Senate..........93-6.............

Why when you see those numbers you think defeat for the democrats instead of a senate in agreement?

 

[BWG]

"nonbinding resolution"

Political posturing, nothing more, nothing less. It's even mentioned in the article.

Balking carried a risk for Democrats, particularly when they see an opportunity to win back control of Congress from the GOP, because Republicans were expected to use Democratic "no" votes to claim that their opponents don't support U.S. troops.

Sure enough, within two hours of the House vote, the Republican Senate campaign committee circulated news releases that said Rep. Harold Ford Jr., a Democrat running for an open Senate seat in Tennessee, and Rep. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat challenging Sen. Mike DeWine in Ohio, voted to "cut and run" from Iraq.

When Dems do it, the howlers shriek and cry. When Repubs do it, it's ignored. :yawn:

 

[Iriemon]

The bottom line is that we need to fix the situation there before we do anything. Before we pull out troops, we need to make sure there are enough Iraqis to take their place. BEFORE we pull out troops, we need to know that they will be safe from neighboring countries. But that doesn't mean we have to villify the people who debate on the other side of the issue, it doesn't mean we have to call them names or misrepresent their positions by using rhetorical phrases.

What makes you think that will ever happen?

 

[RightinNYC]

Oh I love the spin...listen I agree with you that we should stay in Iraq and clean up what we created, but stop with all the rhetoric. It is not stay the course and it is not cut and run. Just call it like it is - either they want stay in Iraq or they want to pull out. Those are the two non-rhetorical options.

Actually, that's exactly how it was characterized all day long here. Probably the smartest speech I heard all day was when a congressman started talking about how both "cut and run" and "stay the course" were foolish ideas. Setting a date is a bad idea, because why would you tell your enemy "We're not going to tolerate what you're doing and we think it's evil, but if you can keep it up until Dec 12, you win"? "Staying the course" is equally dumb because it implies that no matter what happens, you stick it out. Things change, and as they do, we will react to it appropriately. But there's no reason to lock ourself into a course of action that we will regret.

 

[RightinNYC]

You said it yourself. They want to "get out of Iraq," not this rhetorical cut and run nonsense. If you use it when describing it, then you obviously are just piping up the rhetoric to serve your cause.

Fine. Then I assume you've never ever used rhetoric to strengthen your cause, right? Because you would never criticize others for doing something that you've done, right?

 

[Navy Pride]

The bottom line is that we need to fix the situation there before we do anything. Before we pull out troops, we need to make sure there are enough Iraqis to take their place. BEFORE we pull out troops, we need to know that they will be safe from neighboring countries. But that doesn't mean we have to villify the people who debate on the other side of the issue, it doesn't mean we have to call them names or misrepresent their positions by using rhetorical phrases.

The base of the democratic party, the ones that Murtha, Kerry and Pelosi *** kiss would pull out of Iraq today......Make no mistake about that...........You dress it up and make it sound good and call it what you want........I call it cut and running.........

 

[Navy Pride]

Why when you see those numbers you think defeat for the democrats instead of a senate in agreement?

Yeah, right..........:roll: What planet do you live on?

 

[ShamMol]

What makes you think that will ever happen?

I have faith, as any American should.

The base of the democratic party, the ones that Murtha, Kerry and Pelosi *** kiss would pull out of Iraq today......Make no mistake about that...........You dress it up and make it sound good and call it what you want........I call it cut and running.........

You call it wrong in both cases. You either stay or you go, no rhetoric, no ifs ands or buts. I don't see them as the leaders of the party (since there are none because we lost the election and congressional "leaders" always give way to presidential candidates) - I see them as the people who want to cooperate with people...the Obamas, the Feingolds, those types of people.

Fine. Then I assume you've never ever used rhetoric to strengthen your cause, right? Because you would never criticize others for doing something that you've done, right?

No, I have, but in the past few weeks, I have made a serious attempt to stop this process because it is bad for serious debate.

Actually, that's exactly how it was characterized all day long here. Probably the smartest speech I heard all day was when a congressman started talking about how both "cut and run" and "stay the course" were foolish ideas. Setting a date is a bad idea, because why would you tell your enemy "We're not going to tolerate what you're doing and we think it's evil, but if you can keep it up until Dec 12, you win"? "Staying the course" is equally dumb because it implies that no matter what happens, you stick it out. Things change, and as they do, we will react to it appropriately. But there's no reason to lock ourself into a course of action that we will regret.

I saw that on CSPAN, and it was really powerful and moving. And I agree completely...there is no reason to stay if we are not going to change our policies and our ways and there is no reason to stay if we are just going to go about doing the same things. I said it before...we can get out of Iraq once we have accomplished our goal of stabilizing the country, but to do that, we are going to have to change the business as usual policies of this adminstration.

 

[RightinNYC]

I saw that on CSPAN, and it was really powerful and moving.

Wait...who did you see speaking?

 

[jamesrage]

42 democrats voted along with with 212 republicans to stay the course in Iraq..........This is a sound defeat for the Cut and Run democrats like Kerry, Pelosi and Murtha and a great victory for President Brush.........

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-06-16-16-33-08



WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House on Friday rejected a timetable for pulling U.S. forces out of Iraq after a ferociously partisan debate, forcing lawmakers in both parties to go on record on a major issue in re-election campaigns nationwide.

A day after the Senate took the same position against troop withdrawal, the GOP-led House voted 256-153 to approve a nonbinding resolution that says an "arbitrary date for the withdrawal or redeployment" of American forces is not in the national interest.

"Achieving victory is our only option," declared House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, casting Democrats as defeatists who want to retreat in the face of terrorist threats. "We must not shy away

I wonder how the **** these morons not realize one of those two situations will occur if they announce a pull out date.One situation is that they temperally stop their attacks, amass a huge force and then when the coalition forces leave they attack and bring Iraq to it's knees.THe other situation that may occur is that they attack our troops on the last week before scheduled pullout to make it look like they drove out the infedell.Either situation makes the US look stupid and easy to fool.

These morons in office who propose such horseshit might as well whisper to the enemy that if they wait until we leave it will be easier for them to take over the country and or attack us to make it look like they driven us out.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I guess you can parce words anyway you want but the bottom line is cutting and running in that you are leaving Iraq before the job is done and thousands of Iraqis that were friendly towards us will be murdered.........

The vote was even worse for the liberals and democrats in the Senate..........93-6.............

It's so interesting when someone attacks someone else by changing the meaning of their words to fit their agenda. The GOP have mastered this type of flaggelation and it trickles down to their members who are so single-minded in their devotion that they CHEER BS like these retarded NON-BINDING politically motivated crap.

The refreshing news is that a strong majority of Americans do not buy into this crap and have awakened to the reality in Irag, namely that as long as Americans are there a lasting peace will be delayed. The only solution IMHO is a negotiated peace, and that can only be achieved by a drastic or complete RIF.

The simple minded will buy into the BS ploy perpertrated by the GOP in the House and Senate but anyone with even a smallish amount of intelligence will recognize how pathetic these events are.

Just look at what Congress has deemed important in the last 30 days? Funny, isn't it that there's no legislation to alter how me manufacture energy or how we deal with Global Warming issues that effect Americans regardless of their political persuasion.

These two non-binding and meaningless votes stink just like the burnt flesh of the many Iraqis who were blown up on Friday in Iraq, according to the NY Times.

It was a particularly violent day in Baghdad, where a suicide bomber who had hidden explosives in his shoes blew himself up in a crowd of Shiite worshipers in a mosque, killing 11 and wounding 25. In all, 16 Iraqis were killed Friday (6-16-06) in attacks across the country.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/world/middleeast/17iraq.html