Like I said, "What do you want, Mr. President?"
I'm sure you really do think the man is shallow, but if you've bothered to really listen to what he's said, he'd be doing pretty much what all parts of society has asked him to do.
Yeah, then we can impeach his ass and be done with it.
Since when did Polls become the soul methods of determining democracy in a debate?
gosh can you imagine? in the United States... some kind of institutional limit to the ruling parties' power?!?
that concept would have been totally foreign to the Founding Fathers, no doubt...
I say bring it on, I can't think a better way to get reelected. :mrgreen:Yeah, then we can impeach his ass and be done with it.
In it's history, what has the debt limit accomplished? ZERO, NADA, NICHTSgosh can you imagine? in the United States... some kind of institutional limit to the ruling parties' power?!?
that concept would have been totally foreign to the Founding Fathers, no doubt...
I told you before and I'll say it again, that is total BS. Since an overwhellming majority don't know what Cut Cap and Balance is, there is no way this could be determined. For goodness sake only about 26% know from which country we got our independence from.a little under 2/3rds of Americans supported Cut Cap and Balance, and more than two-thirds support a Balanced Budget Amendment.
when he alters his rhetoric to call for a BBA in light of that, then I'll believe that he actually thinks polls matter.
In it's history, what has the debt limit accomplished? ZERO, NADA, NICHTS
I told you before and I'll say it again, that is total BS. Since an overwhellming majority don't know what Cut Cap and Balance is, there is no way this could be determined.
How in hell can you put a Balanced Budget in legislation that requires 2/3 vote in both houses and a 3/4 vote from all the states?
:lol: What the President Wants is make-believe cuts, real tax increases, and another commission to study the entitlements.
‘‘(b) EXEMPT FROM DIRECT SPENDING LIMITS.—
4 Direct spending for the following functions is exempt from
5 the limits specified in subsection (c):
6 ‘‘(1) Social Security, function 650.
7 ‘‘(2) Medicare, function 570.
8 ‘‘(3) Veterans Benefits and Services, function
9 700.
10 ‘‘(4) Net Interest, function 900.
look, AAA is lost. maybe not today, maybe not Aug 3; but unless we make drastic changes that the current divided government is incapable of, soon.
yes. precisely.that you don't get that is the point.
I'm sure you really do think the man is shallow, but if you've bothered to really listen to what he's said, he'd be doing pretty much what all parts of society has asked him to do.
What he said was, having to raise the debt ceiling was a failure in leadership.
Then why hasn't anyone in Congress ever put forth a bill to eliminate it?
Have you read either debt limit bill coming from either side? Have you even read the Cut, Cap and Balance bill? It doesn't dare touch Social Security, Medicare or VA benefits and services; it "excluse" them from reforms or spending caps.
You won't get the reforms you belief are necessary in entitlements within the next four days. Not gonna happen.
Either we take the best parts of both bills and combine them into one, or both parties will force the President to choose between facing a Constitutional inquiry which the nation will only see as a total capitulation by Congress' failure to do their duty and uphold their consititutional oath to protect the "full faith and credit of the United States". They will not blame the President for this failure; they will blame Congress.
Im about 65% sure there will be a last second deal like there always is...
cpwill you are wrong. The government needs to spend money, no one else is doing it. You want to cut spending not because of economic factors but because it furthers your social agenda of less government, the economy be damned. We are a consumer economy, we don't produce enough, if someone doesn't spend the economy will never recover, it will just keep getting worst.
a little under 2/3rds of Americans supported Cut Cap and Balance, and more than two-thirds support a Balanced Budget Amendment.
when he alters his rhetoric to call for a BBA in light of that, then I'll believe that he actually thinks polls matter.
A clear majority of Americans want the wealthy to pay more in taxes and think that tax hikes should be a part of a debt deal. When Republicans start caring about polls, let me know.
Nobody outside of Obama is calling for tax hikes. Even he argued against them not long ago. Never let a crises go to waste though.
Never let a crises go to waste though.
I wasn't arguing that the Dems had tried to do any with entitlement reforms other than pass ObamaCare. However, what I was trying to get you and others to realize is that neither have Republicans especially in this latest bill called Cut, Cap and Balance. And as I've pointed by posting the specific subparagraph to the bill, CCB excludes Social Security, Medicare and VA benefits and spending from being capped. So, at present neither side really wants to touch entitlements in a meaningful way.Republicans tried to reform Social Security in 2005 and Medicare and Medicaid in 2011. Please link to the Democrats supportive of those efforts, thanks.
barring a sudden agreement by Democrats to **** over their base and not demand major tax hikes with entitlement reform, probably not.
which is why I say that AAA is very likely doomed anywho. We will see if we can hold it long enough to get to spring of 2013; when the people can decide whose approach to go with, and that Party can do so.
:shrug: the House has now passed two options, including one in which the Majority Party leadership was willing to face down a revolt in it's own ranks to pass. the Senate has passed nothing. The President has issued no plan, only veto threats. I'm pretty sure I have an inkling of who the country will blame at this point.
because the point of the debt limit is to restrict action, not encourage it.
We are not going to default. We are not going to default. We are not going to default. We are not going to default. We are not going to default.
Clearly, some of you still don't get it. There's no way this country can reduce the deficit without cutting spending AND increasing taxes or at the very least eliminating tax loopholes. It's going to take 10 years just to pay off $2-3 trillion in debt! How much longer do you think it will take to pay off the remaining $11 trillion without raising revenue? And mind you, this is only public and privately held debt (mostly on investors, both foreign and domestic; all those short-term bonds aren't held by China alone. Social Security is tied to long-term bonds, but domestic investors buy alot of short-term bonds which have to be paid). Really think it through, folks. Our debt problem is ALOT larger than most people think!
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