House passes sweeping bill on election, government reforms

[Patriotic Voter]

Yeah, envy issues in many cases.

If people think America is better, they should love our nation, not hate it.

 

[TurtleDude]

If people think America is better, they should love our nation, not hate it.

conservatives tend to love America as it is and has been. lefties tend to love an America that doesn't exist but they want to change it to be that way

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Encouraging uneducated and low intelligence voters certainly aids the Democrats.

Smart people are Democrats. Stupid people are Republicans.

 

[j brown's body]

conservatives tend to love America as it is and has been. lefties tend to love an America that doesn't exist but they want to change it to be that way

Slavery days, only white males vote. The difference couldn't be more stark.

 

[Roadvirus]

Smart people are Democrats. Stupid people are Republicans.

Exhausted painting with that broad brush?

 

[j brown's body]

Smart people are Democrats. Stupid people are Republicans.

Interestingly, the struggling high school kids I deal with are much more on to Trump than are my well-educated peers. There is something else at work here, but not entirely.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

What are you talking about?

His own imagination. Let's see if he actually memorizes the 17th Amendment without looking it up.

 

[Indlib]

Right. I'm saying that if this bill isn't the beginning of a change to the Constitution so as to enact strict term limits then it's a waste of time; because without strict term limits, your vote doesn't matter, they just game the system by re-drawing voter district boundaries (which no one pays attention too).

...but still, the founders were very clear on why term limits were a bad idea. I tend to agree with them.

That said, it doesn't seem practical to require a constitutional change to term limits as a prerequisite to election legislation, especially when there is little to no relationship bt the two.

 

[vesper]

Better to protect and expand voter rights and facilitate voting like the Dems are trying to do than suppress the vote like the Reps are trying.

What is so hard about registering to vote before the cutoff date leading up to an election? For cripe sakes are you telling me with national elections for president every four years and mid-terms every two years a person can not find the time to fill out a registration card prior to an election? This bill wants to allow a person to register to vote and vote on the same day in all states.

Proper identification is a fundamental social calling card, necessary for anyone looking for a job, housing, government services, or health care. As a senior citizen I have to have an ID to even purchase a bottle of wine, anything to do with banking or enter any federal/state government building. According to Dems it is just asking too much for someone to show an ID to vote. Do you folks know how ridiculously idiotic that sounds to the overwhelming majority? All states offer ID cards for those who do not have driver licenses etc. Some states offer them for free but for the most part the ID's are very reasonably priced and since it takes an ID to do just about anything I would think it would be essential.. But by doing away with ID's it opens the door for more fraud by allowing legal immigrants and illegal immigrants along with those with felony violations to vote. But then again what Dems are doing is trying to make it easier for fraud to occur under the guise of protected voter rights. Ha!

But let us not forget what the Dems are trying to do by lowering the voting age. They want pimple faced kids who are still living with mommy and daddy who haven't a clue what they are going to do with their lives.....where the majority haven't even paid any taxes, still in high school or even dropouts have the right to vote. What the Hell? The only word I can come up with to describe this is assinine.

Then there is the rule of allowing at least 14 days to vote in person and counting votes could go on even longer. It amounts to a month of voting in person or b y mail. Just another rule they want to steal every election going forward.

 

[jgarden47]

Apparently the dozens of recent attempts by many Republican state houses to establish more restrictive voting laws is reminiscent of the 1870's where "white" segregationists effectively disenfranchised African Americans of those rights granted to them as a result of the Civil War!

Given the "Black" Americans couldn't be deprived of the voting rights by making direct reference to race, the same results were achieved through the "back door" the introduction of voter suppression laws which paved the way for a century of "Jim Crow" laws - it wasn't until the 1960's that federal legislation began restoring to "visible minorities" the same rights that they had once held in the 1870's!

Demographers project that 2050 will mark a new era in America's racial history, whereby, for the first time in 400 years "visible minorities" ("Blacks," Latinos, Asians) will constitute the new majority reducing "white" citizens to a minority status!

It is within this context that many are viewing this recent introduction of new and more restrictive voting legislation in the name of eliminating election fraud, for which there few documented cases that would justify these measures, is being characterized as the 2nd wave of Jim Crow - the rearguard action by some "white" Americans" and state Republicans attempting to postpone the inevitable!

 

[prometeus]

conservatives tend to love America as it is and has been. lefties tend to love an America that doesn't exist but they want to change it to be that way

Yea, those ****ing bastards who started disliking the the colonies the way they were became a really bad influence. "We the people..." what an idiotic idea right?

 

[TurtleDude]

Yea, those ****ing bastards who started disliking the the colonies the way they were became a really bad influence. "We the people..." what an idiotic idea right?

lets see-what did the British want?

excessive taxation
seizing guns from the patriots
a centralized government
restrictions on free speech

sound like modern lefties

what did the patriots want

1) reduction in taxation
2) more decentralized government
3) gun rights
4) more freedom

sounds like us libertarians.

 

[prometeus]

lets see-what did the British want?

excessive taxation
seizing guns from the patriots
a centralized government
restrictions on free speech

sound like modern lefties

what did the patriots want

1) reduction in taxation
2) more decentralized government
3) gun rights
4) more freedom

sounds like us libertarians.

Oh please spare me the crap, that was NOT the point you were making. At least be honest once in a while.

 

[Athanasius68]

How do you figure?

I'm reading the Act now (it's very long; see link below), but the first section - Division A, Title I, Subtitle A: Voter Registration Modernization - amends the Voter Registration Act of 1993 and gives the state authorities (i.e., state Secretary of State) very broad powers over the online voter registration application and signature verification process. And that's just a small portion of what I've read so far. I'll continue reading (and I suggest you do the same), but so far I see nothing wrong with Congress trying to do what Republicans objected to on January 6 - "standardize voter registration, signature verification, improve early voting processes, election security measures and ballot processing including but not limited to how to adequately count provisional ballots. You can't keep bitching about "voting irregularities" while at the same time attempt to ignore state's rights but then bitch when the federal government accepts that there are "voting irregularities" in every state and tries to standardize voting application, verification and ballot confirmation processes nationwide.

What you guys on the right seem to be doing (again) is drying foul but then complaining when someone comes along to fix the problem you most likely created.

Source: H.R. 1 - For the People Act of 2019

The objection is to a nationalizing of voting systems.
No reasons for it. The Constitution puts that in the hands of the states.
Leave it alone. Let the states figure out their reforms.

 

[Lovebug]

Well, here we go.

Do the GOP ever win again if this passes?

This bill is super popular in America. For years, GOP congress folk had Mitch to protect them from having to vote against legislation their constituents supported. Not the case anymore. Curious to see how that dynamic plays out.

Could you elaborate on what

this

is about? You are making a claim, let everyone know what it is? Please!

 

[Athanasius68]

Yes, in response to the 2020 loss multiple red state legislatures are redrawing democrats out of power. That's part of what makes HR1 so important. It has nothing to do with Democratic ideas being unpopular.

Not that you'd care because, as you said, democracy makes you uncomfortable.

Ok-- so a functioning democracy is about the Democrats winning elections.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Hmm... that (bolded above) ignores verification of US citizenship or having (a single, primary) state/district residency. Let’s make the requirements to be eligible to vote and to have full 2A rights be exactly the same.

That simply wont be possible as they want to register 16 year olds to vote through this bill. (defeated amendment-edit)

They want minors, unable to enter into contracts and make legally binding decisions, able to vote.

6 to 1 campaign financing, along with near total expense support for candidates from campaign funds.

Same day registration. 15 day early voting. No penalties for voting illegally.

I do support Super PACs disclosing donors, but they should couple that with any intimidation of those donors to be treated as criminal harassment, political speech should be viable for everyone.

Federal holiday for election day---I'm down, employers can be utter pricks about going to vote.

Prohibition of voter caging and severe limitation on voter purging.

10 years of tax returns for any VP or Presidential candidate.

Establishing judicial canons on the Supreme Court---which I believe is entirely beyond the power of Congress.

Non binding statehood support resolution for Washington DC.

Requires Congressional districts to be written by "independent commissions". Funny, we keep finding rank partisans in every commission that does this.

FEC from 6 down to 5 to ensure decisions, the point of an even number was to ensure only egregious transgressions get punished. Lets turn it into a political weapon of whoever is in charge, great idea.

Last but not least, paper ballots in Federal Elections, which I support.

There is a lot of Democrat pet projects that they don't have a chance in hell of getting past most states.

 

[JustAFella]

But let us not forget what the Dems are trying to do by lowering the voting age. They want pimple faced kids who are still living with mommy and daddy who haven't a clue what they are going to do with their lives.....where the majority haven't even paid any taxes, still in high school or even dropouts have the right to vote. What the Hell? The only word I can come up with to describe this is assinine.

If you're sixteen and have a job and paying taxes, why shouldn't you be able to vote? Why should they get the taxation without the representation?

 

[Cardinal]

If you're sixteen and have a job and paying taxes, why shouldn't you be able to vote? Why should they get the taxation without the representation?

Well if his post is anything to go by, because they have zits.

 

[vesper]

If you're sixteen and have a job and paying taxes, why shouldn't you be able to vote? Why should they get the taxation without the representation?

Because by law a 16 year old is considered a minor and their parents are responsible for them. The parent(s) are responsible for the well being of the minor for his/her basic needs but it doesn't just stop there. The parent/guardian of that sixteen year old minor who willfully causes destruction of someone's property and/or willfully harms another person physically, the parents/guardians are responsible for damages. If your teenager still lives at home for more than half the year and is dependent upon your income for more than half of his or her financial support, then you claim them as a dependent on your taxes. In doing so the 16 year old minor can not claim his/herself as a dependent on his tax return that he/she is required by law to file. However, if the 16 year old teen that exceeds the 12,400 threshold the current rate, then that income becomes part of the household unit of the adjusted income of the parents/guardian. If this 16 year old teen earn less than than 12,400, he owes no federal income taxes.

You made the claim that if a 16 year old who has a job and is paying taxes he/she should have a right to vote. I would like you to think about 16 year old teens still living with their parents dependent for all their needs, have not even graduated from high school, who are living under their parent/guardian's rules like curfew times somehow has the right to vote. A voter should be old enough to be recognized as an adult by law.

 

[bluesmoke]

The "election was stolen" crowd feels that voting is fraud. They'll make up any lie they have to in order to justify their righteous anger to allowing people to vote.

After being proven false ad infinitum, they meme the lie. Con posters will repeat the lie, even in replies to the same opposition poster, ad nauseum, after being proven false. They don't stop. Pathological.

 

[Vadinho]

Well, here we go.

Do the GOP ever win again if this passes?

This bill is super popular in America. For years, GOP congress folk had Mitch to protect them from having to vote against legislation their constituents supported. Not the case anymore. Curious to see how that dynamic plays out.

Not with the sales pitch they have today....

 

[MSgt]

If it doesn't start with strict term limits then it's a waste of time.

There really should be term limits.

 

[bluesmoke]

Funny how the anti-cancel culture party is busy trying to cancel our representative democracy as much as they can.

Hilarious.

 

[code1211]

Hmm... do you have the same opinion concerning 2A rights?

The difference being, obviously, that the 2A specifically tells the Feds to keep their hands to themselves.

It only assigns the conduct to the States.

Now that the Democrat-Socialists are paying for the vote manufacturing machines, the states seem to be taking a turn for the worse.

Louisiana cancels $95 million contract for new voting machines - StateScoop

Louisiana may have to start over on replacing its entire inventory of voting machines after the state’s top procurement official on Wednesday rejected a contract to purchase or lease as many as 20,000 new devices, arguing that the office of Secretary of State Kyle Ardoin conducted a flawed...

statescoop.com

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Louisiana had intended to use the $5.9 million election-security grant it just received from the federal government — as well as $3.5 million recently added to the state budget for voting equipment — as a down payment.
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