House Panel Approves Subpoenas for Top Bush Aides

[jfuh]

A House panel on Wednesday approved subpoenas for President Bush's political adviser, Karl Rove and other top White House aides, setting up a constitutional showdown over the firings of eight federal prosecutors.By voice vote, the House Judiciary subcommittee on commercial and administrative law decided to compel the president's top aides to testify publicly and under oath about their roles in the firings.

What's that common phrase Bush and neocon apologetics used when referencing to his wiretap program? Oh right, if you've nothing to hide or done nothing wrong, what do you have to be worried about?
Well Mr. Bush, what do you have to worry about?



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[reaganburch]

What's that common phrase Bush and neocon apologetics used when referencing to his wiretap program? Oh right, if you've nothing to hide or done nothing wrong, what do you have to be worried about?
Well Mr. Bush, what do you have to worry about?



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Probably has a lot to do with the 'gotcha' & 'jail-ya' tactics that the Democrat Party is using right now...

I'm curious to know if Rove(whom the Democrat Party is having a serious masturbation session hoping to get in jail, you can hear the slapping right now) & Myers can't go up to the hill, sit right down and after each question take the 5th... wear a 'f'-u t-shirt and take the 5th...

 

[jfuh]

Probably has a lot to do with the 'gotcha' & 'jail-ya' tactics that the Democrat Party is using right now...

I'm curious to know if Rove(whom the Democrat Party is having a serious masturbation session hoping to get in jail, you can hear the slapping right now) & Myers can't go up to the hill, sit right down and after each question take the 5th... wear a 'f'-u t-shirt and take the 5th...

I don't care what the motive for the investigation or the subpoenas is, in other words if the situation were reversed I'd still be posting the same questions and responses.
What they are accused of is the manipulation of justice system for the favoring of one particular political party - do you not see this as an over extension of executive power?
If it were me, and there was no wrong doing on my behalf, I'd gladly take the stand to clear it up.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

If it were me, and there was no wrong doing on my behalf, I'd gladly take the stand to clear it up.

Only when it suits your partisan side. Remember the wiretapping of suspected terrorists? If it's a republican idea, then bash and gripe.

 

[reaganburch]

I don't care what the motive for the investigation or the subpoenas is, in other words if the situation were reversed I'd still be posting the same questions and responses.
What they are accused of is the manipulation of justice system for the favoring of one particular political party - do you not see this as an over extension of executive power?
If it were me, and there was no wrong doing on my behalf, I'd gladly take the stand to clear it up.

Well, if these attorney's serve at the pleasure of the President, does it matter WHY they were fired? Even if the reasons they were fired are pretty down & dirty & low, is it ILLEGAL?

And Jfuh, you're a reasonable and honest person, do you not believe that the Democrats are frothing at the mouth to get something, ANYTHING on Karl Rove? Even if it's perjury or some type of obstruction BS? Just to get him on trial and put him in jail for something, ANYTHING? That's why I wouldn't want to go to the hill if he were me...

 

[Binary_Digit]

Well, if these attorney's serve at the pleasure of the President, does it matter WHY they were fired? Even if the reasons they were fired are pretty down & dirty & low, is it ILLEGAL?

Does it have to be ILLEGAL before they can investigate what happened and why?

 

[reaganburch]

Does it have to be ILLEGAL before they can investigate what happened and why?

I thought they already knew what happened and why... they just wanted to talk to Rove & Miers... they've been saying it in front of every microphone put in front of them for a week now... They were fired for political reasons... yada yada yada...

 

[jfuh]

Well, if these attorney's serve at the pleasure of the President, does it matter WHY they were fired? Even if the reasons they were fired are pretty down & dirty & low, is it ILLEGAL?

No I don't know if it is or is not illegal. However, I also believe that such extensions of executive power are over reaching and are fundamentally intruding on the separation of powers. The executive reaching over to the justice to fire legislatures and then the legislatures now reaching back to question the executive, it's a counter productive cycle nothing more than partisan bickering to which in the cross fire good public servants doing the people a complete dis-service - and we're left to foot the bills for it. That's not the government that I want.

And Jfuh, you're a reasonable and honest person, do you not believe that the Democrats are frothing at the mouth to get something, ANYTHING on Karl Rove?

Yes I believe so; and Karl being the slimy sleezeball that he is, probably deserves it.

Even if it's perjury or some type of obstruction BS?

Perjury and obstruction of justice is a felony.

Just to get him on trial and put him in jail for something, ANYTHING? That's why I wouldn't want to go to the hill if he were me...

Maybe it's over absolutely nothing. However from what we know so far, it doesn't seem like nothing. I'm not a lawyer, I've no idea much about technicalities of law, but it just seems wrong to be firing ppl simply because they don't share your political ideologies.

 

[reaganburch]

No I don't know if it is or is not illegal. However, I also believe that such extensions of executive power are over reaching and are fundamentally intruding on the separation of powers. The executive reaching over to the justice to fire legislatures and then the legislatures now reaching back to question the executive, it's a counter productive cycle nothing more than partisan bickering to which in the cross fire good public servants doing the people a complete dis-service - and we're left to foot the bills for it. That's not the government that I want.

Yes I believe so; and Karl being the slimy sleezeball that he is, probably deserves it.

Perjury and obstruction of justice is a felony.

Maybe it's over absolutely nothing. However from what we know so far, it doesn't seem like nothing. I'm not a lawyer, I've no idea much about technicalities of law, but it just seems wrong to be firing ppl simply because they don't share your political ideologies.

Every politician is a slimy sleezeball, that's how they get into office in the first place. If you want to put someone in jail because they're a slimy sleezeball, you're gonna put EVERYBODY in Washington in jail... if he didn't do anything illegal, then he shouldn't be harassed... period... If he DID, then I hope he gets what's coming to him... but a witchhunt, hoping, praying to find something, ANYTHING... that's a waste of money and resources, also..

It's wrong to fire people because they don't share your political ideologies... but, is it ILLEGAL... that's the point I'm making... if it IS? then fry the bastards... if it ISN'T? then the Democrats need to quit grandstanding...

Perjury & obstruction are felonies, you're correct... lapses of memory isn't... and turning lapses of memory into perjury and obstruction.... wrong, also...

 

[jfuh]

Every politician is a slimy sleezeball, that's how they get into office in the first place. If you want to put someone in jail because they're a slimy sleezeball, you're gonna put EVERYBODY in Washington in jail...

That wouldn't be so bad.

if he didn't do anything illegal, then he shouldn't be harassed... period... If he DID, then I hope he gets what's coming to him... but a witchhunt, hoping, praying to find something, ANYTHING... that's a waste of money and resources, also.

Problem is, you wouldn't know in this instance until you get his testimony.

It's wrong to fire people because they don't share your political ideologies... but, is it ILLEGAL... that's the point I'm making... if it IS? then fry the bastards... if it ISN'T? then the Democrats need to quit grandstanding.

Perjury & obstruction are felonies, you're correct... lapses of memory isn't... and turning lapses of memory into perjury and obstruction.... wrong, also...

Who's had lapses of memory? Rove certainly hasn't.

 

[reaganburch]

That wouldn't be so bad.

I like the way you think....

Problem is, you wouldn't know in this instance until you get his testimony.

According to what I've seen on the news when a microphone is stuck anywhere near Leahy, Schumer, etc, they KNOW what happened.... these attorney's were fired for political purposes... period... no doubt about it... I don't know what the purposes of the subpoenas are if they already know what happened and have the White House convicted... <there is much sarcasm here...>

Who's had lapses of memory? Rove certainly hasn't.

I was referring to the Libby trial. Some on here have alluded to the fact that all Libby's offenses were attributed to lapses of memory. Me? I don't know what all the hulla-balloo was about and honestly, I don't care at this point... there was WAY too much partisan rhetoric going back and forth for me to get the real meat of what was going on, so I stopped reading on it...

 

[shuamort]

My crystal ball says that Rove et al will testify, get busted for one thing or another and then it's off to jail.....except for a last minute b-b-b-but-Clinton-did-it-too pardon by Bush as he exits the office.

 

[danarhea]

Well, if these attorney's serve at the pleasure of the President, does it matter WHY they were fired? Even if the reasons they were fired are pretty down & dirty & low, is it ILLEGAL?

And Jfuh, you're a reasonable and honest person, do you not believe that the Democrats are frothing at the mouth to get something, ANYTHING on Karl Rove? Even if it's perjury or some type of obstruction BS? Just to get him on trial and put him in jail for something, ANYTHING? That's why I wouldn't want to go to the hill if he were me...

1) The key here is the perjury which was committed, not the firings themselves.

2) However, if one the firings was in order to stop investigations of other Republicans in the Cunningham case, then that is obstruction of justice.

3) If other firings were because these Republican prosecutors refused to issue indictments before elections, and as a result of meddling by members of the Republican party, Democrat suspects end up walking, then this also deserves a look. Whether intended or not, this would also be obstruction of justice.

 

[danarhea]

Rove, Miers, and others are going to get subpoenas, and Bush is now in the fight of his life.

In the end, the courts, including the Supreme Court, will uphold these subpoenas, and the longer this goes on, the worse it is going to be for the Republican party. Rove will be on the stand, under oath, testifying before the House, by the time this is over. He can either do it the easy way, or he can do it the hard way, and take his party down with him in the process.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/House_Committee_authorizes_subpoenas_of_White_0321.html

 

[disneydude]

Jfuh, you're a reasonable and honest person, do you not believe that the Democrats are frothing at the mouth to get something, ANYTHING on Karl Rove? Even if it's perjury or some type of obstruction BS? Just to get him on trial and put him in jail for something, ANYTHING? That's why I wouldn't want to go to the hill if he were me...

If he has nothing to hide and tells the truth why would he go to jail?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

The key here is the perjury which was committed, not the firings themselves.

Correct, just as it was the perjury that was committed and not the harrassment of Paula Jones.

 

[danarhea]

Correct, just as it was the perjury that was committed and not the harrassment of Paula Jones.

Clinton was impeached over Lewinsky, and lost his license to practice law over Jones. Clinton's private life was just that, until he lied under oath. Now those same shoes are on the feet of Gonzales and Sampson, and may soon be on Rove, if he lies when they get him on the stand. Seems that your Clinton Penis envy is actually relevant this time.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Clinton was impeached over Lewinsky, and lost his license to practice law over Jones. Clinton's private life was just that, until he lied under oath. Now those same shoes are on the feet of Gonzales and Sampson, and may soon be on Rove, if he lies when they get him on the stand. Seems that your Clinton Penis envy is actually relevant this time.

I hadn't guessed that you would miss the point entirely. I keep overestimating you. The libs obsession with the bj is always what stands in their way of seeing why their hero was impeached. They like to pretend it was the bj, when it was actually his lie. The envy is theirs.

 

[danarhea]

I hadn't guessed that you would miss the point entirely. I keep overestimating you. The libs obsession with the bj is always what stands in their way of seeing why their hero was impeached. They like to pretend it was the bj, when it was actually his lie. The envy is theirs.

The same situation applies to those who are defending the perjury committed by Gonzales and Sampson. To me, you are no different than those same libs who defended Clinton.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

The same situation applies to those who are defending the perjury committed by Gonzales and Sampson. To me, you are no different than those same libs who defended Clinton.

This is about precedent. Bush is fighting for himself and every President yet to come.

 

[danarhea]

This is about precedent. Bush is fighting for himself and every President yet to come.

There is NO precedent. White House aides have, ever since the founding of this nation, been subpoenaed before the House. During Clinton's term, the Republicans did it 31 times. Its all legal.

 

[AndrewC]

There is NO precedent. White House aides have, ever since the founding of this nation, been subpoenaed before the House. During Clinton's term, the Republicans did it 31 times. Its all legal.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/20/white-house-testify/





For my part, I do not like the fact that they fired these people for political reasons. I do not like the fact that they lied about why they fired them. However, there are so many issues more important than this. This is a huge distraction. A previous poster said it best. They are all scumbags. This is news, how?

 

[jfuh]

According to what I've seen on the news when a microphone is stuck anywhere near Leahy, Schumer, etc, they KNOW what happened.... these attorney's were fired for political purposes... period... no doubt about it... I don't know what the purposes of the subpoenas are if they already know what happened and have the White House convicted... <there is much sarcasm here...>

In Jan. Gonzales stated to the committee: "I would never ever make a change in the United states attorney position for political reasons...."
Yet, now we know that those were exactly the reasons why these attorneys were fired.
The man who fired the attorneys admits he never even looked at their performance. An email from Karl Rove stating: "....removing up to 20 percent of the nation's U.S. attorneys..... but retaining prosecutors who were 'loyal Bushies'....."
I don't care who it is that does this, dems, reps anyone, it's disgusting and I would luv them all to be thrown in jail. I have little respect for these guys because I believe that the term "public SERVANT" has lost it's meaning. The slang now is more "Personal servant" or closer to "special interest servant".

I was referring to the Libby trial. Some on here have alluded to the fact that all Libby's offenses were attributed to lapses of memory. Me? I don't know what all the hulla-balloo was about and honestly, I don't care at this point... there was WAY too much partisan rhetoric going back and forth for me to get the real meat of what was going on, so I stopped reading on it...

From what I followed from the Libby trial, yes he was the scape goat; but then yes, he lied under oath in front of the grand jury. But that had nothing to do with the dems in power because they weren't. Valary Plame also gave a sworn statement "I was covert" - well someone outed here and such traitors to the nation of outing covert operatives need to be brought to justice and tried for treason.

 

[jfuh]

Rove, Miers, and others are going to get subpoenas, and Bush is now in the fight of his life.

In the end, the courts, including the Supreme Court, will uphold these subpoenas, and the longer this goes on, the worse it is going to be for the Republican party. Rove will be on the stand, under oath, testifying before the House, by the time this is over. He can either do it the easy way, or he can do it the hard way, and take his party down with him in the process.

The time is ripe for a 3rd political party. I say resurrect the Moose party; hell even the federalists.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

The time is ripe for a 3rd political party. I say resurrect the Moose party; hell even the federalists.

I'm all for a third party the next time around. The Republicans will need a Ross Perot on the ballot if they hope to retain the White House.