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House OKs plan to withdraw US troops

Iraq is not their land.

Oh that's right, I forgot, all these moderate Muslims turning radical live in Germany :rofl

The fact is more and more listen to Reid and Pelosi and see America as weakening and will join the stronger side. If we allow them to take over Iraq then you better start hunkering down and waiting for their attack here.

I'm not afraid of getting attacked by any terrorists, you can go ahead and hunker down though since you seem so petrified. And do you really think these moderate Muslims turning radical think that radicals are the stronger side?? No, they think they must defend their beliefs.

Reminds me of when the weaker Americas joined forces against the big and powerful British....

Wake up, they were attacking us and killing us long before we were in Iraq, only a fool thinks this is only about Iraq.

They attacked us... it's called 9/11. You act like it was a reoccuring everyday fanaza. And I never said this "only" about Iraq. But if you sit there and say that Iraq was a terrorist harboring nation before we entered there like it is today, you are sadly mistaken.

We should have sent more forces into Afghanistan, or gone after the tribal sects in Pakistan, instead, we entered a country that caused no threat to America....
 
Here is something for those that would pull out (surrender) of Iraq to think about.

On Dec 16, 1944, three German armies and the Sixth SS Panzer Army attacked allied forces through the Ardennes. This was the begining of the Battle of the Bulge. Do to perseverance, courage, strength and great leadership the allied forces prevailed. The Germans were on the run by January 25, 1945. By the end of the battle 19,000 American service members were dead. This was a single battle of many fought by our brave men during WWII. By the end of the war America had lost 405,399 of the bravest most honorable men ever alive.

WWII was fought and won with support and sacrifice of the American people, our politicians and the media.

Today with all the cowards, quiters, and spineless wimps in congress as well as the liberal media we could not win WWII. The greatest generation is almost gone. America no longer has what it had back then. The will to win and never accept defeat.
 
That's it! Let's regress back to the 40's! That'll solve all of our problems!

Or we could just reverse that and point out how many American soldiers died for the fruitless war that was Vietnam, all because America didn't pull quick enough. There's too sides to every sword.
 
There is no way that the House can cut off funding for the war.

Yes there is all they have to do is not pass a funding bill, all the rest of your obfuscation aside, if they want to end the war then cut off the funding that is their perogative as the legislative branch what is not in their power is to pass unconstitutional legislation which violates the executives authority of CinC.
 

I don't see many parallels between this war and WWII. Here are some key differences:

1) there was never a real coalition in this war
2) Iraq was contained
3) this war was off target from the global threat of terrorism
4) many people predicted that this war would divide the allies of the US and unite the enemies of the US - and it did

It is too bad for the US, but a foreign technologically advanced military force is at a huge disadvantage against a local force, with support of the people, who has infinite patience, using asymmetric warfare. Someone should have realized that before this things started. Or people should have listened to those that realized it. Realizing it now doesn't make someone a coward. It just makes those that started this mess incompetent.
 

Do you think the President will pull them out if Congress does not pass the funding bill? Or, do you think he will keep them there unpaid and without necessary equipment? The President alone has the power to pull them back as Commander in Chief.
 


Great post. The US is at a huge disadvantage because their enemy (the insurgents) don't care who they kill - so long as US soldiers are in the mix. Leading to many innocent people getting caught in the middle.

Totally separate from that are those who want power in Iraq. It is a tribal country. Two tribes are battling for control. The US leaving will not solve that particular issue. We took away the Dictator who stopped the battle between the two tribes. They don't want Democracy - it's not in their makeup - they won't live by majority rule - they are tribal. Who the hell do the US think they are enforcing Democracy in Iraq? Did we want the Russians enforcing Communism on us?
 
In my heart, I think back when we saw there were no WMD, we should have pulled out, said oops, and let the chips fall where they may.

The Dems need to take strong action, and get us out of there now.

Bush has his reasons for doing what he's doing, but too many lives are being lost for nothing in MHO. We're going to have to fight terrorism no matter what happens in Iraq.

 

Our military did not loose Vietnam, The Idiots in Washington did.
 

3 word response to your post. Never accept defeat.
 

When you can read let me know.
 
Great post. The US is at a huge disadvantage because their enemy (the insurgents) don't care who they kill - so long as US soldiers are in the mix. Leading to many innocent people getting caught in the middle.


OK so let's let them win then.


And who told you this nonsense?
 
I'm not afraid of getting attacked by any terrorists, you can go ahead and hunker down though since you seem so petrified.

So you above all others declare the terrorist threat is over. Excuse us if we don't take you seriously.

And do you really think these moderate Muslims turning radical think that radicals are the stronger side?? No, they think they must defend their beliefs.

There is no evidence that these are "moderate muslims".


They attacked us... it's called 9/11. You act like it was a reoccuring everyday fanaza.

It was recourring, you seem to have forgotten the previous attacks. In fact the attacks were getting worse.

And I never said this "only" about Iraq. But if you sit there and say that Iraq was a terrorist harboring nation before we entered there like it is today, you are sadly mistaken.

Nope, Saddam was harboring terrorist and had plans to seek new and more involved relationships with them. That is exactly were they would have gone to operate out of had we not slammed the door on them by removing Saddam. Now they have to fight and expend their resources there. That is until the Dems surrender to them.

We should have sent more forces into Afghanistan,

Specious, there is no evidence more troops would have accomplished anything unless we invaded Pakistan are you advising we invade Pakistan?

or gone after the tribal sects in Pakistan,

So we should have engaged in a pre-emptive war in Pakistan, you know invade a country that had not attacked us. And when we got bogged down there what would have been your position?

instead, we entered a country that caused no threat to America....

But Pakistan was different in what way?
 
Our military did not loose Vietnam, The Idiots in Washington did.

Right, because the military being totally out-smarted by guerrilla fighters had nothing to do with it? It was all Washington's fault.

There are two sides to a war: political and military. You lost on both sides.
 
Great post. The US is at a huge disadvantage because their enemy (the insurgents) don't care who they kill - so long as US soldiers are in the mix. Leading to many innocent people getting caught in the middle.

Innocent people getting caught in the middle.

41,363,400 civillians killed during WWII

5,754,398 Jews killed during the holocaust

thats 47 million innocent people getting caught in the middle.

The allies bombed German cities killing many thousands of civillians. It was necessary to break the will of the enemy.

Keep this in mind a famous General once said "I tell you, war is hell" ~ William Tecumseh Sherman

He was right, war is hell, people die, innocent people die.

An American soldier recently asked why he re-enlisted in the Army said ""I will never except defeat. I will never quit."
 

The only thing I would change in your post is your comment about the Dems needing to take strong action. Recent polls have shown that many Republican supporters also feel that we need out of there. On that basis, We the People's representatives in Congress need to show what Democracy actually means - both parties need to take action and show they have heard the people and act on our behalf. We do not need them treating us like children in that they know better than us. They are supposed to represent us. Checks and balances should have controlled this President. By voting in so many Democrats in 2006, we the people spoke.
 
An American soldier recently asked why he re-enlisted in the Army said ""I will never except defeat. I will never quit."

You know, that's friggin' great - good for him. I never quit either. The American people have spoken, however. It is not up to that soldier, or our President, or any other one person. Democracy means that the majority rule. More people vote for person 1 than vote for person 2, so person 1 gets into office - majority rule. Those who voted for person 2 just have to suck it up. The majority of people in the US think that we shouldn't be fighting this war in Iraq, therefore we shouldn't be.

We're so desperate to bring Democracy to Iraq - and trust me I can see why we want to - that we're ignoring it here in our own country? How is that right? At the minute we have a minority who want to impose their will by keeping us at war.
 

Your right, a majority of people want to quit. I also think it was a mistake to invade Iraq. However, we did just that. Now the people have lost there will to persevere. We are a shadow of our former selfs as a nation. At one time it could be said that Americans have stick-to-it-iveness. Americans never give up. They never quit. That country no longer exist.

R.I.P. America. The country that spawned the Greatest Generation (WWII)
The country that are founding fathers created is no longer. Many of the cowards that inhabit this land now are not worthy to be called Americans.
 
Do you think the President will pull them out if Congress does not pass the funding bill? Or, do you think he will keep them there unpaid and without necessary equipment? The President alone has the power to pull them back as Commander in Chief.

No he will not keep them there unpaid and underequiped, the Congress has the power to end the war this very second it's all up to them.
 
Right, because the military being totally out-smarted by guerrilla fighters had nothing to do with it? It was all Washington's fault.

There are two sides to a war: political and military. You lost on both sides.

Umm no if we had listened to General Westmoreland and bombed the Ho Chi Minh trail running through Cambodia we would have won the war, we didn't lose one single battle in Vietnam except for the one on the streets of America.
 
You can lose battles and win a war.

And most of the war wasn't fought in a convential manner. Ambushes, traps, torture, you know?
 
No connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda was found before America went into Iraq.

That's an out and out lie.

Also, reports still suggest that al-Zarqawi and Bin-Ladens interests were fairly separate when it comes to Iraq, whilst they do have the same 'stop the Americans' mentality.

Zarqawi swore allegiance to OBL and AQ.

So, if anything, American presence created the Al Qaeda presence.

Ya because if we weren't in Iraq these people would just be run of the mill fine up standing citizens working 9-5 joe smoe jobs. :roll:
 
That's an out and out lie.

Really? By what conservative haven of knowledge did you derive this information from? Because, as far as I have seen or read, no connection was found. Wasn't that the words of the 9/11 commission? Didn't Bush also contradict himself during a 2003 press conference with Tony Blair (Which was aired on Sky News, by the way, so don't say it didn't happen) by saying that "he couldn't make that claim" that there was a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda?

Seeing as though you're so fond of providing links, here's a few for you:

No Saddam, al-Qaida link found - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'

FOXNews.com - 9/11 Panel: Still No Iraq Connection - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Zarqawi swore allegiance to OBL and AQ.

And where did I ever say he didn't? I said that his and Bin-Laden's goals were reportedly of a different nature to al-Zarqawi's. I have no doubt that a 'terrorist' cell of Al-Qaeda rebels is in Iraq now, I never denied that, I said that there wasn't before the war.

Ya because if we weren't in Iraq these people would just be run of the mill fine up standing citizens working 9-5 joe smoe jobs. :roll:

Yeah, way to totally twist what I said to try and gain some 'pwnage' points with the DP conservative posse. They'd probably still be rebel fighters but they just wouldn't be doing it in Iraq.
 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030131-23.html
 
Really? By what conservative haven of knowledge did you derive this information from? Because, as far as I have seen or read, no connection was found. Wasn't that the words of the 9/11 commission?

Actually the 9-11 commission established the ties and stated that Zawahiri met directly with Saddam and OBL met directly with ISI operatives, the report is self contradictory.


No I don't believe he ever said that what he said is that there was no connection between Saddam and 9-11.


How Bad Is the Senate <br>Intelligence Report?

And you really ought to read the dissenting opinions in said report: