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House Jan. 6 committee hearing postponed because of Hurricane Ian

Chomsky said:
Thanks.

But as to the bolded, the DOJ & Biden's control of it will remain the same for another two years. Hopefully, the action shifts there.
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We’ll be seeing a repeat of MqQarthy’s kangaroo kourts of Benghazi, where MqQlumsy bragged they hurt Hillary by 5%.

We’ll see retribution against DEMs for chasing MTQreene from her committees. These people are 24/7 full-on qrazy.

There’s no undoing 32 years of pathetic left-wing voting patterns that started with the fascist takeover of Texas in 1990. You’ll recall the feds have been after Texas for its apartheid gerrymandering since then.
 
ClaraD said:
It makes sense...not to mention huge amounts of citizens are in the path of the storm. We are going to be on the dirty side of it, but it will have lost some strength when it reaches us...I am guessing it will be a cat 1 by then...but being on the right side we could see tornadic activity and tons of trees here. My daughter called as well as my mom, but we are good. Even the huge leasing company we sometimes prep a house for called to let us know we could stay at one of the houses (the house is to the center/left of the storm path). We are way out and emergency does take 40 minutes to get here if needed, but I'm pretty sure we will be fine. My husband tarped and secured the house we have been working on and delayed work until Monday or further notice. He spent the rest of the day preparing here. Putting away patio furniture, draining the pool down about 1/2 way. We will be parking our vehicles in the middle of what was a 100 acre patch of peanuts(neighbors) to keep trees from taking them out. The only thing that will stink is if we lose power our internet goes down and our cell phones won't work. We get zero reception out here in BFE
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FYI - There's a dedicated hurricane thread for local Floridians if you're interested?

Tropical Storm Ian

Just saw the latest projections from the NOAA(https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/042342.shtml?cone#contents) and it is looking like there is a good change it is going to go right overhead where I am at in Sarasota. Anyone else living in the path? Just thought it might be nice...
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Cope said:
Thanks for the honest answer,
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No problem, it is what is is.

Cope said:
it is much more refreshing to discuss the actualities of things with people that can see that side without always attempting to deflect or blame others when hypocrisy shines brightly all amongst those political partisans.
If the Jan 6th panel was and is right, they can dispense justice and get rid of Trump in one fell swoop.
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How is that?

Cope said:
If they are not, then this is just using media in an attempt to sway others using the court of public opinion.

See the difference?
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Of course it is to sway opinion. There's DOJ solutions, and there are political solutions. Both can be effective in going after MAGA. It's a two-pronged attack.
 
Fishking said:
Your statement is demonstratively non-factual and rules out the mostly likely option, which is a cynical play for power. The reason why I say it's demonstratively false is every Republican president we've had for a while have had their elections challenged. There are Dems sitting on the committee that voted not to certify votes. There are Dems that pushed to have faithless electors in 2016 and then started straight into impeachment talk from day 1. They allowed unelected autonomous zones to be established, sustained, and supported in our country.

The party with the longest history of being anti-Democratic are the actual Democrats you're defending. Everything I wrote is a fact. I challenge you to declare a single statement false, just one. Your statement couldn't be further from the truth.
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Fishking, we all see the videos of the last two years & hear the testimony.

I don't buy your characterization.

And as to impeachment, you make it sound like it was a bad thing. It was deserved. The Dems are indeed going after MAGA, and many Americans - the majority - want them to do just that. I'm not sure MAGA supporters see what they're up against. They're not up against mere political whims, but America herself. They seem to be blind to that.
 
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Linc said:
We’ll be seeing a repeat of MqQarthy’s kangaroo kourts of Benghazi, where MqQlumsy bragged they hurt Hillary by 5%.

We’ll see retribution against DEMs for chasing MTQreene from her committees. These people are 24/7 full-on qrazy.

There’s no undoing 32 years of pathetic left-wing voting patterns that started with the fascist takeover of Texas in 1990. You’ll recall the feds have been after Texas for its apartheid gerrymandering since then.
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Exactly. 1/6 isn't the culmination, a one-time event, but rather it is another stone upon the path! 2024 is going to be hell if we don't get a handle on it. The criminal electoral officials getting elected & appointed is a grave donger, IMO.

Here's several examples I posted just recently:

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/newly-obtained-surveillance-video-shows-fake-trump-elector-escorted-operatives-into-georgia-county’s-elections-office-before-voting-machine-breach.490585/

When an election denier becomes a chief election official

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/29/election-denier-secretary-state-mail-voting-00054018 Atop the list of the most disruptive things they could do is refusing to certify accurate election results — a nearly unprecedented step that would set off litigation in state and federal court. That...
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Chomsky said:
No problem, it is what is is.



How is that?
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Because the panel was made to tie Trump to a conspiracy.
Chomsky said:
Of course it is to sway opinion. There's DOJ solutions, and there are political solutions. Both can be effective in going after MAGA. It's a two-pronged attack.
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Why? Why would a panel need to sway opinion if they are correct and justified in their findings?
This is exactly why people call this show a circus. It is designed to sway that opinion even if they find nothing. To me, that is wrong.
 
Callen said:
President Biden let the people who will need the help know they would get the help. My bet is DeSantis would not even tell Floridians that President Biden called.....
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I can't figure out how right now , but I swear this is going to turn into a fundraiser, not for the victims, for Desantis.
 
Cope said:
Because the panel was made to tie Trump to a conspiracy.

Why? Why would a panel need to sway opinion if they are correct and justified in their findings?
This is exactly why people call this show a circus. It is designed to sway that opinion even if they find nothing. To me, that is wrong.
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The committee realizes that hard core trump supporters will never agree. The committee has expressed that people need to know what happened. If there are convictions, people need to know why. Reasonable people, that is.
 
Cope said:
Because the panel was made to tie Trump to a conspiracy.
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No, what mechanism can they use? To "take care of it", as you claim?

Cope said:
Why? Why would a panel need to sway opinion if they are correct and justified in their findings?
This is exactly why people call this show a circus. It is designed to sway that opinion even if they find nothing. To me, that is wrong.
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Congress presents its findings to the People, then it's up to the People to act. The more citizens know, the better they can participate in the democratic electoral process. For democracies to function, requires an educated populace.

DOJ will take care of the criminal end. It's up to Congress to take care of the political end.
 
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ClaraD said:
Not all 800 are going to have major storm damage.
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And of course they're all not going to speak to Biden directly, the calls go through his office. But, he may personally entertain some of the larger cities that effect the largest populations.
 
Cope said:
Because the panel was made to tie Trump to a conspiracy
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Which they have managed to do using a mountain of evidence. But you seem to think that doesn't matter.
 
soap box said:
The committee realizes that hard core trump supporters will never agree. The committee has expressed that people need to know what happened. If there are convictions, people need to know why. Reasonable people, that is.
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The Committee's purpose is education, thereby promoting a more functional democracy.

DOJ's job is criminal Justice.

Both are critical, but I might argue ensuring democracy is the more critical. We need to stop the criminal players, but perhaps more important is assuring the democratic electoral process.
 
Chomsky said:
The Committee's purpose is education, thereby promoting a more functional democracy.
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Agreed. I have watched all of the hearings and what I see is the presentation of factual information that is meant to educate the public on what was happening leading up to the 6th, on the 6th and in the aftermath. I find it a valuable information source because it is sworn testimony by those directly involved and thus far they have all been Republicans, many of whom are Trump supporters. A very different perspective than gleaning your information through the political prism of cable news channels. I have found it very informative.
 
Callen said:
Agreed. I have watched all of the hearings and what I see is the presentation of factual information that is meant to educate the public on what was happening leading up to the 6th, on the 6th and in the aftermath. I find it a valuable information source because it is sworn testimony by those directly involved and thus far they have all been Republicans, many of whom are Trump supporters. A very different perspective than gleaning your information through the political prism of cable news channels. I have found it very informative.
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The Committee is inherently political, but that's often portrayed as assumedly "bad". Well, the electoral process is political! The very highest Congressional act to remove a sitting President (impeachment) is a political process! There's no way to get away from politics in an electoral democracy. For better, or worse.
 
Chomsky said:
www.usatoday.com

House Jan. 6 committee hearing postponed because of Hurricane Ian

The Jan. 6 committee held eight public hearings this year that revealed more on the deadly Capitol attack and Trump's efforts to hold on to power.
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I suspect the committee believes their message would not be effective given the media's likely focus on hurricane Ian tomorrow.
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I suspect that this is the very first time that a US government hearing has been rescheduled because of a threat of a lot of hot air.
 
Chomsky said:
The Committee is inherently political, but that's often portrayed as assumedly "bad". Well, the electoral process is political! The very highest Congressional act to remove a sitting President (impeachment) is a political process! There's no way to get away from politics in an electoral democracy. For better, or worse.
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Yes, it is a political as opposed to a criminal process. Their job is to educate the electorate and make legislative recommendations to ensure something like this never happens again. It is really too bad that McCarty and McConnell put the kybosh on a truly Independent Commission which would have been in the best interest of the country. However, they knew that the findings would reflect badly on the Republican President and many Republican legislators so forcing a House Committee instead gave them the opportunity to discredit the Committee, which is what they are doing, where they never could have discredited an Independent Commission.......now that was political!
 
Callen said:
Yes, it is a political as opposed to a criminal process. Their job is to educate the electorate and make legislative recommendations to ensure something like this never happens again. It is really too bad that McCarty and McConnell put the kybosh on a truly Independent Commission which would have been in the best interest of the country. However, they knew that the findings would reflect badly on the Republican President and many Republican legislators so forcing a House Committee instead gave them the opportunity to discredit the Committee, which is what they are doing, where they never could have discredited an Independent Commission.......now that was political!
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You got that right!
 
Rexedgar said:
6JAN committee has lost the momentum, imo. They have proceeded as if they weren’t under any time restrctions, their # 2 is a lame duck as is the other Republican.
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Republicans didn't even want an investigation because it is too embarrassing.

And some of them are involved!
 
Chomsky said:
No, what mechanism can they use? To "take care of it", as you claim?
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If I understand what you are asking, they could easily send their proof to the DOJ. Did that answer what you were asking? Basically the same mechanism that is being used to jail people for the riot on Jan 6th.
Chomsky said:
Congress presents its findings to the People, then it's up to the People to act. The more citizens know, the better they can participate in the democratic electoral process. For democracies to function, requires an educated populace.
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This panel was never about the people. This panel was to keep Trump from office, and if he was in jail, all the better. An educated populace wouldn't entail the severe bias we see in the media outlets. News, should be news. Factual and covering all points.
Chomsky said:
DOJ will take care of the criminal end. It's up to Congress to take care of the political end.
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They tried, with two impeachments. What else is this panel going to do on the political scale other than send findings to the DOJ?
 
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