House Intel votes to send witness transcripts to Mueller for possible perjury charges

[Gimmesometruth]

I never said Republicans didn't use theatrics.

I never said you didn't

Just that this wasn't an example of one.

I know, you are still in denial, even as you ironically admit they do...just not now with foot dragging on HIC assignments.

Is yer wrist tired from all the hand waving?

 

[Lutherf]

You are not answering why you believe Schiff knows more than Mueller, and now you are becoming even more vague.

And here I was believing that you still could make fact based argument...

OK, for the folks on the short bus, Schiff sent transcripts of various interviews to Mueller. Those transcripts have already been voted on to be made PUBLIC but, for whatever reason, Schiff feels a need to send them to Mueller even though Mueller hasn't asked for them. If Schiff is doing that there can only be two reasons for his decision. One is that he's doing it specifically as a political stunt to piss Trump off and, since this is a serious investigation and he's a serious guy, he'd never do such a thing. The other reason is that he believes Mueller needs this stuff and doesn't know he needs it. If Mueller doesn't know he needs these transcripts and Schiff does know that Mueller needs the transcripts then Schiff must know things Mueller doesn't.

 

[dcsports]

Um, dood, the Intel Com could not turn over the transcripts until the committee came together, members were not assigned by the GOP until last week, only Nunes had been assigned.....and that was "theater" by the GOP leadership. Ironic, isnt it?

Again, Mueller has the transcripts. He requested one official transcript, which was provided in December. He hasn't asked for anything else. So this is information he already has, in a form he hasn't requested. There's hardly any urgency. And there wasn't any real delay in appointing members.

Congress actually has a much more pressing issue in the Budget.

 

[dcsports]

You cant come up with one, not one can you. In other words, you got zip. Benghazi was political, thanks for being so honest.

I can come up with several - that probably wouldn't even be a surprise to you. Again, start a thread if you want to rehash.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

OK, for the folks on the short bus, Schiff sent transcripts of various interviews to Mueller. Those transcripts have already been voted on to be made PUBLIC but, for whatever reason, Schiff feels a need to send them to Mueller even though Mueller hasn't asked for them. If Schiff is doing that there can only be two reasons for his decision. One is that he's doing it specifically as a political stunt to piss Trump off and, since this is a serious investigation and he's a serious guy, he'd never do such a thing. The other reason is that he believes Mueller needs this stuff and doesn't know he needs it. If Mueller doesn't know he needs these transcripts and Schiff does know that Mueller needs the transcripts then Schiff must know things Mueller doesn't.

Good grief, where are you getting the idea that Mueller "has not asked for" official transcripts?

 

[yankintx]

I never said you didn'tI know, you are still in denial, even as you ironically admit they do...just not now with foot dragging on HIC assignments.

Is yer wrist tired from all the hand waving?

Buckle up, its subpeana time !!

 

[Atomic Kid]

The Democrat accusations of a delay was absolutely political theater. Yes. Republicans assigned members a week after getting the slots - hardly a delay.

It did look a little suspicious since the Repubs somehow found time to assign members to 23 other committees. But not House Intelligence Committee? But it's not like they could hold off from doing so for much longer as it would then become quite obvious. So with the forwarding of certified transcripts Trump jr and Jared are now another step closer to possibly being indicted. And if the Repubs were using delaying tactics their apprehensions about what this could lead to become somewhat understandable as no one is quite sure how the President might react to his son and or son-in-law being indicted. After all there exist discreetly shared concerns on the Hill as to the President's stability.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Good grief, where are you getting the idea that Mueller "has not asked for" official transcripts?

The Special Counsel's office had previously come to Congress to "view" a number of these transcripts.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Again, Mueller has the transcripts.

now he does.

He requested one official transcript, which was provided in December. He hasn't asked for anything else.

Conjecture, on your part.

So this is information he already has, in a form he hasn't requested.

Yer not making sense, the Stone transcripts is all that he had prior, by your own admission

There's hardly any urgency. And there wasn't any real delay in appointing members.

Keep up the defense, even though yer now employing a true Scotsman argument.

Congress actually has a much more pressing issue in the Budget.

Then I suggest you find an appropriate thread for that whatabout.

 

[Lutherf]

Good grief, where are you getting the idea that Mueller "has not asked for" official transcripts?

Well, it hasn't been reported that the committee, even when run by Nunez, had been refusing to turn them over and even current news articles suggest that Schiff is sending them over because he wants to, not because they were asked for.

Mueller requested Stone’s interview transcript last year and the panel voted to release it in December, ahead of the January charges. Democrats had previously pushed the GOP-led committee to release all of the transcripts to Mueller, but Republicans said Mueller hadn’t requested them. The committee did vote to release most of the transcripts to the public, but they are still being reviewed by the intelligence community for classified information.

It is unclear if Mueller has since requested any other transcripts, or if he has already seen any of them. It is possible that Mueller could have gained access to the documents through the intelligence agencies that are reviewing them.

The committee voted to send transcripts from more than 50 interviews the committee conducted in its investigation of alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 election. They would be sent to the Justice Department as early as Wednesday Schiff told reporters.

Multiple committee Republicans confirmed the unanimous vote to release the transcripts. Schiff said they could be used "for any purpose which will facilitate justice,' but would not say whether the special counsel had formally requested any of the transcripts for official use.

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/house-intelligence-committee-expected-send-russia-probe-transcripts/story?id=60854154

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Well, it hasn't been reported that the committee, even when run by Nunez, had been refusing to turn them over and even current news articles suggest that Schiff is sending them over because he wants to, not because they were asked for.




https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/house-intelligence-committee-expected-send-russia-probe-transcripts/story?id=60854154

Protip: Prosecutors do not like to tip off who they are planning to bring charges against, ergo, the committee is not going to make it known which testimony is currently being assembled for a charge.

PS...his name is spelled "Nunes".

 

[dcsports]

Good grief, where are you getting the idea that Mueller "has not asked for" official transcripts?

When he requested an official transcript for Stone, it was widely reported that that was the first (and only) request he's made from the committee.

 

[HumblePi]

People do it all the time and NOW it's a crime? :lamo

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw0l9iBCt3kW5YlQFsZvjqml&ust=1549641062031788

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw23qEiYYEHFQYsETpFGZxCe&ust=1549641134243586

total witch hunt. "a regrettable culmination of what became a misguided -- and politically motivated -- investigation during an election year."

 

[dcsports]

now he does. Conjecture, on your part. Yer not making sense, the Stone transcripts is all that he had prior, by your own admission Keep up the defense, even though yer now employing a true Scotsman argument.

Then I suggest you find an appropriate thread for that whatabout.

LOL -- you are crying "whatabout"? Really? You are the one who brought up committee assignments. And yes, they absolutely have more pressing issues.

Yes, he had the transcripts. Not conjecture on my part that he only asked for official copies of only the one - this has been widely reported.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

When he requested an official transcript for Stone, it was widely reported that that was the first (and only) request he's made from the committee.

Non-sequitur, the question was whether there have or have not been other requests from Mueller. You nor I are privy to all communications between the SC and the HIC.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

LOL -- you are crying "whatabout"? Really? You are the one who brought up committee assignments.

That isn't a whatabout, it directly related to the HIC.

And yes, they absolutely have more pressing issues.

This.....is a whatabout, a complete distraction from the topic in this thread. Again, I suggest you find or create a thread for your whatabouts.

Yes, he had the transcripts. Not conjecture on my part that he only asked for official copies of only the one - this has been widely reported.

You can't stick to the point, the conjecture is all about knowing what communication has been going on between the SC and the HIC.

 

[apdst]

total witch hunt. "a regrettable culmination of what became a misguided -- and politically motivated -- investigation during an election year."

There's the double standard.

 

[dcsports]

Non-sequitur, the question was whether there have or have not been other requests from Mueller. You nor I are privy to all communications between the SC and the HIC.

You should probably look up that term. We're talking about the official release of transcripts. Since Mueller made a distinct request for the Stone transcript, and hasn't done that for others, it's unlikely that he's made additional requests since then. If he had, it would likely be widely reported. That's not the case - reports indicate this was unsolicited.

 

[dcsports]

That isn't a whatabout, it directly related to the HIC.

This.....is a whatabout, a complete distraction from the topic in this thread. Again, I suggest you find or create a thread for your whatabouts.

You can't stick to the point, the conjecture is all about knowing what communication has been going on between the SC and the HIC.

We seem to be having a lot of trouble with terms. The fact they have more pressing concerns is a relevant explanation. Sorry. The committee assignment 'delay' is a distraction (and a false narrative). Again, Mueller hasn't requested the documents (according to reports) and likely doesn't need them at this time. The committee from the last congress provided him all the official transcripts he asked for. You can't even claim that Republicans blocked anything here - they voted for it. It's silly theater.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Well, it hasn't been reported that the committee, even when run by Nunez, had been refusing to turn them over and even current news articles suggest that Schiff is sending them over because he wants to, not because they were asked for.




https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/house-intelligence-committee-expected-send-russia-probe-transcripts/story?id=60854154

Source that Mueller hasn't requested them is Devin Nunes and his buddies. Liars don't make good sources.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You should probably look up that term. We're talking about the official release of transcripts. Since Mueller made a distinct request for the Stone transcript, and hasn't done that for others, it's unlikely that he's made additional requests since then. If he had, it would likely be widely reported. That's not the case - reports indicate this was unsolicited.

Again, YOU NOR I ARE PRIVY TO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE HIC AND SC, so this idea that you or the OP can assume ANYTHING about comms between them.....has no standing. You and your ilk are GUESSING.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

We seem to be having a lot of trouble with terms.

Speak for yourself.

The fact they have more pressing concerns is a relevant explanation.

No, it is a distraction from the topic at hand, pure unadulterated whataboutism.

Sorry. The committee assignment 'delay' is a distraction (and a false narrative).

If you want to bring up "theater", whats good for the goose is good for the gander...

Again, Mueller hasn't requested the documents (according to reports)

Um, a lack of knowledge does not give you or anyone else license to assume what comms have happenened, yer GUESSING.

and likely doesn't need them at this time.

Again, more speculation....you do not know.

The committee from the last congress provided him all the official transcripts he asked for.

Which was all he needed at that point in time, apparently.

You can't even claim that Republicans blocked anything here - they voted for it. It's silly theater.

Their inactions delayed the transfer of ANY further releases by the committee, by definition, by fact.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Mueller has had access to those testimonies since last Sep. This is nothing but political posturing and public opinion manipulation on the part of Schiffty. They are getting ready for their big push to get public support for impeachment proceedings.

(Keep in mind, though, they don't really WANT to impeach Trump. They just want to damage him in the eyes of the public. It's all about 2020.)

While Mr. Mueller MAY have access to the testimony previously, he couldn't admit having access to the testimony because the transcripts were "SECRET" and only the House Intelligence Committee was allowed to have access to them UNTIL the committee voted to make the transcripts public.

IOW, without OFFICIALLY having the transcripts it really didn't matter if someone told Mr. Mueller "A" and told the committee "NOT A" because no one could prove anything (assuming that there is something to prove) NOR could anyone disprove anything (assuming that there was something to disprove).

Any one who told the House Intelligence Committee the same thing as they told Mr. Mueller shouldn't be in the least bit worried that Mr. Mueller now OFFICIALLY has the transcripts of what they told the committee.

Anyone who didn't - well, you know.

 

[dcsports]

Again, YOU NOR I ARE PRIVY TO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE HIC AND SC, so this idea that you or the OP can assume ANYTHING about comms between them.....has no standing. You and your ilk are GUESSING.

'Your ilk'? Seriously? You are going off the rails now. I'm interested in a discussion, not a shouting match. We've covered all of this. You aren't interested in a reasoned discussion, so this is it.

It's possible there could have been back channel request, under secrecy, but unlikely it would have happened without a leak. Keep in mind that both sides of the committee are advised on everything. Republicans likely would have said if there was a change since December. Democrats would have called 'obstruction' from the rooftops.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

'Your ilk'? Seriously? You are going off the rails now. I'm interested in a discussion, not a shouting match. We've covered all of this. You aren't interested in a reasoned discussion, so this is it.

It's possible there could have been back channel request, under secrecy, but unlikely it would have happened without a leak. Keep in mind that both sides of the committee are advised on everything. Republicans likely would have said if there was a change since December. Democrats would have called 'obstruction' from the rooftops.

Republicans on the committee are liars so it doesn't matter what they claim.