House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced

jmotivator · Jun 30, 2015

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Occam's Razor said:
You've done nothing but rationalize your weak protestations by altering the obvious context of what I'm saying.

I think it's hilarious that you think because of 9-11 the dozens of right wing domestic terrorist acts don't matter, are nonexistent, easily dismissed. Apparently there is zero threat from right wing extremists because of 9-11.

And you think I'm rationalizing?

Hah!! I never said that. I am pointing out that the study that supposedly shows that right wing groups are the greatest threat to the country had to ignore 9/11 to reach its conclusions. You got pissy and tried to rationalize the obvious statistical twisting. I explained why your idiotic rationalization was idiotic -- that you wouldn't reject a right wing attack that resulted in thousands of deaths as an "outlier" like you and SPLC do with 9/11 -- and you just got more pissy.

I'm not rationalizing, I am doing a reasonable comparison to counter the bias POS "study" you are spinning off of.

US Conservative · Jun 30, 2015

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MMC said:
You didn't think it would change did you? They always look to downplay it. Like I said it doesn't matter how many come out and give a warning.

Only way they start truly worrying about it is, when it comes to their area and makes an impact. After the carnage.....you usually wont see those who always were out dismissing it.

Yes which actually means they are willing to see people killed before admitting a threat.

I just read on drudge that the FBI expects many terror cells to activate soon in the west, and now every FBI field office is on high alert.

The FBI is not controlled by the house intelligence committee republicans-so the terrorist deniers in this thread have discredited themselves-its not just politics.

Any excuse to rationalize away the problem will do for these people.

US Conservative · Jun 30, 2015

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justabubba said:
Ike warning about the inclination of the military industrial complex to be politically invested in advancing that sector of our economy is found by you to be to a foil hat conspiracy

but you are willing to believe that we are now confronted with a threat that is the HIGHEST our nation has EVER faced

any remaining vestiges of credibility within your posts has now vanished

politically invested? yes. As are most major sectors of the economy. Controlling? hardly.

Do you like apples?

The FBI is setting up command centers across the nation to monitor terror threats for the Fourth of July | Daily Mail Online

The entire FBI is on high alert for this week. You have been discredited.

how do you like them apples, guy?

gdgyva · Jun 30, 2015

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Henry David said:
May I tell you something Jack?

When I did my little time in RVN, I was defending nobody. Even though pseudo-patriotism afflicts so many today that if RVN is even mentioned, people fawningly say "thanks for your service", implying that I somehow saved the US by my actions there.

I was defending nobody there, because RVN was no threat to the US. Remember, WE invaded THEM.

And my nephew and other youngsters who have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan, and those automatons who man the Predators and other drones, do not defend me from anything at all. Like me 40 years ago, they are but sock puppets doing what they are told.

So may I ask that in the future to please spare me the sanctimonious pseudo-patriotism shown by "who is defending who from what" sort of spin. Thanks much.

maybe they werent a threat to the usa

were they a threat to south vietnam?

were they a threat to the region? cambodia, laos?

how would that region look today if they had just been able to decimate the south?

and is that part of our job as a world leader? to protect those that cant protect themselves?

i think that is the new question for a lot of americans

do we continue to be the policing force of the world?

or do we just take care of ourselves?

and what dangers lurk from both responses?

justabubba · Jun 30, 2015

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MMC said:
Mornin JB. :2wave: Well, what they mean by that it is Higher than ever before. The reason is that, before......There was only AQ to worry about. Now there is AQ, Khorasan, Daesh, Ansar Al Sharia, and more pressing is the influence by Daesh to get others to go out and commit acts in their Name and for their Caliphate. Which has now entered its 2nd year.

So it is a bit higher than it was with just worrying about AQ.

Wouldn't you say that's a given?

what i would say is that pretending this is The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced remains hyperbolic nonsense

US Conservative · Jun 30, 2015

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justabubba said:
what i would say is that pretending this is The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced remains hyperbolic nonsense

So your premise is that not only the intelligence committee, but the FBI (both of which know more than you) are pretending here. :lol:

There is hyperbole involved here-but its from you.

justabubba · Jun 30, 2015

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US Conservative said:
politically invested? yes. As are most major sectors of the economy. Controlling? hardly.

Do you like apples?

The FBI is setting up command centers across the nation to monitor terror threats for the Fourth of July | Daily Mail Online

The entire FBI is on high alert for this week. You have been discredited.

how do you like them apples, guy?

us conservative's apples:

MMC · Jun 30, 2015

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justabubba said:
what i would say is that pretending this is The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced remains hyperbolic nonsense

You're not saying that due to more threats than before, it wouldn't constitute a higher level of threat, are you?

In the end I don't think this will be the Highest Level we will ever face.

US Conservative · Jun 30, 2015

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justabubba said:
us conservative's apples:
View attachment 67186509

Translation: You will cling to my faith based belief (fixed, without evidence).

PS-your apples are horse apples. :2wave:

Jack Hays · Jun 30, 2015

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Henry David said:
Good friends of mine died in RVN too, but the sad truth is that they were defending nobody from anything, and some of them knew that.

I say again Jack, WE invaded Vietnam, not the other way around.

There are certainly exceptions, but for the most part, your friends and mine both were the modern day equivalent of cannon fodder, advancing nefarious goals having nothing to do with national security.

I lived through Vietnam and it has nothing to do with our current conflicts.

Jack Hays · Jun 30, 2015

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Ikari said:
I call it forever war since that's what it is. Several decades? Then war is not the answer. Just making things worse, as we can see from this War on Terror.

It is not our choice. Our enemies will continue to attack us until they are exhausted or destroyed.

Ikari · Jun 30, 2015

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Jack Hays said:
It is not our choice. Our enemies will continue to attack us until they are exhausted or destroyed.

Meh, it is a low probability event. Trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives aren't really going to do anything about it. Other then give the government excuse to expand its powers and deficit.

Jack Hays · Jun 30, 2015

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Ikari said:
Meh, it is a low probability event. Trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives aren't really going to do anything about it. Other then give the government excuse to expand its powers and deficit.

I'll try one more time. We could stand down all our personnel and every weapon. Our enemies will continue to attack. The duration of The Long War is not our option.

Thoreau72 · Jun 30, 2015

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gdgyva said:
maybe they werent a threat to the usa

were they a threat to south vietnam?

were they a threat to the region? cambodia, laos?

how would that region look today if they had just been able to decimate the south?

and is that part of our job as a world leader? to protect those that cant protect themselves?

i think that is the new question for a lot of americans

do we continue to be the policing force of the world?

or do we just take care of ourselves?

and what dangers lurk from both responses?

That is an awful lot of questions. I don't know the answers. Back in the day people were asking questions about the war as it was increased, but those questions were not answered by the government. Indeed, when Daniel Ellsberg stole the Pentagon Papers, it turned out that the government had been deceiving the public for the entire time.

So, I don't see much difference between now and then, except we have an entire globe full of angry arabs who hate our guts for having destroyed their countries and killed their people. Not rocket science--people don't like to be invaded by foreigners. I am not surprised that an angry arab took an AK to the beach in Tunisia.

Thoreau72 · Jun 30, 2015

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Jack Hays said:
I lived through Vietnam and it has nothing to do with our current conflicts.

The behavior is identical, is my only point.

Jack Hays · Jun 30, 2015

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Henry David said:
The behavior is identical, is my only point.

And your point is wrong. We fight now because we are under attack.

Ikari · Jun 30, 2015

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Jack Hays said:
I'll try one more time. We could stand down all our personnel and every weapon. Our enemies will continue to attack. The duration of The Long War is not our option.

I'll try one more time. It's low probability events, starting global wars to try to deal with ideology cannot result in victory and will only exacerbate the situation, as our current War on Terror has done.

Jack Hays · Jun 30, 2015

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Ikari said:
I'll try one more time. It's low probability events, starting global wars to try to deal with ideology cannot result in victory and will only exacerbate the situation, as our current War on Terror has done.

We did not start it. It was brought to us.

PoS · Jun 30, 2015

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Jack Hays said:
I'll try one more time. We could stand down all our personnel and every weapon. Our enemies will continue to attack. The duration of The Long War is not our option.

What reason would they have to attack us if we stand down and withdraw to our borders?

Jack Hays · Jun 30, 2015

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PoS said:
What reason would they have to attack us if we stand down and withdraw to our borders?

Our existence threatens them.

PoS · Jun 30, 2015

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Jack Hays said:
Our existence threatens them.

LOL if that were the case they would have attacked us non stop 200 years ago. :lol:

Jack Hays · Jun 30, 2015

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PoS said:
LOL if that were the case they would have attacked us non stop 200 years ago. :lol:

Two hundred years ago their own society had not yet suffered the centuries of decay and poverty that are driving their hate.

US Conservative · Jun 30, 2015

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PoS said:
LOL if that were the case they would have attacked us non stop 200 years ago. :lol:

A lack of means does not mean they they had the desire. Are you aware of the barbary wars?

PoS · Jun 30, 2015

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Jack Hays said:
Two hundred years ago their own society had not yet suffered the centuries of decay and poverty that are driving their hate.

Ah the old "they hate us for our freedom" schtick. Probably the silliest conspiracy theory of all time.:lamo

Capster78 · Jul 1, 2015

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Montecresto said:
Not really. The majority of Ron Paul supporters were a young crowd who learned very clearly from him that our troubles with terrorism stemmed from the CIA's overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953. A co-effort with Britain to prevent Iran from nationalizing their oil industry and making Iranians the beneficiary of this relatively newfound wealth of natural resource. You may not have paid attention to the young supporters of Paul, or their placards that pointed out Reagan's support of the Mujahhideen in Afghanistan which morphed into the Taliban that we might be able to then fight decades latter. And his support of Iraq in its war against Iran. They were all too aware of Bush 1's instigation of Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and Clinton's bombing raids on Baghdad. The youth are most certainly not any more ignorant of history then the old folks that have learned no lessons and still support one war after the other in what is decades of failed policy in the Middle East. But their is an ulterior motive to the spoken.

People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs.

Chuck Hagel, 2007!!!!!!

That's fine, I am glad they understand some type of history at least, but its being twisted, revised and taken out of context of the time. Every intervention the US was involved in in the ME had a corresponding intervention by the USSR. If the USSR had won the cold war, we would be talking about how the USSR is the evil empire, while the US would be bankrupt and in financial ruin. AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!!! When people start putting the blame on the US for what is happening in the ME, it is clear, that they don't understand history and why we were in the ME. And the importance of the ME during the Cold war. Why the ME was so important to cold war strategy. People who argue that the US created terrorism, and that all the troubles of the ME are because of the US are just simply ignorant of the Cold war and the importance of the ME during the Cold war and where we would be if we had not beaten the USSR in our influence of the ME.

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