The will of the people to shut down the government when there is a disagreement? Really? Would you like a shutdown every time there is a disagreement? This is a step towards a level of dysfunction that is seriously alarming. Our congress people need to do their job on time with minimal disruption. This is a highly destructive method of running a country.They have their constituents and are following their will.
A lot of people want it and whether you like it or not the bill was passed. Holding the country hostage to appease a minority of the population is ridiculous and an excuse.A lot of people do not want Obama Care and they are playing to that crowd,
To shut down the country? No. A majority view it unfavorably, yes.It is the majority of the citizens of the United States opinion.
Dysfunctional politics is not a good thing. There are real, negative consequences to this. No its not the end of the world but people lose jobs, miss paychecks, can't afford to pay bills. It is highly disruptive all for nothing.This is politics at its most basic. This is not a gentleman's club where they chastise a fellow for mildly offensive behavior. The leaders in the Republican Party sometimes well, often thinks it is.
Opinion.We are not a Democracy. We are a Republic. And if we were a Democracy , Obama Care would not have passed and now since the public knows about Obama Care the majority would hold it not be funded and to be repealed.
Opinion.Backing out of a Dead End street is not regression; It is correction. And the only negativity I see is from Democrats that refuse to accept that the general public is opposed to this form of health care.
Opinion.Obama Care is a colossal fubar and this is essentially the last chance to stop it from wrecking this country.
Is a law a policy?
Since the Repubs have already stated their wish to kill Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security,
this would set a precedent NO President would allow.
I now must call it a tie for first between Voting Wrongs Acts and Defunding Laws.
Based on what? There is no reason a company would terminate its existing health care plans, and subject themselves to the fines (which are rather stiff) and move good people from full time to part-time. Its non-sense
The impact of ACA is on 50-200 employee companies that do not currently have healthcare for their employees. Only a few companies have to worry about this. I do, happen to have a company that falls in this area.
The Republicans passed a bill with everything but Obama Care. It is up to the Democrats to pass it or not. They will be the ones causing a shut down. There is no reason that the bill have to include everything on its budget and those areaa that are agreed to can be passed to avoid this senerio in the first place.
The will of the people to shut down the government when there is a disagreement? Really? Would you like a shutdown every time there is a disagreement? This is a step towards a level of dysfunction that is seriously alarming. Our congress people need to do their job on time with minimal disruption. This is a highly destructive method of running a country.
A lot of people want it and whether you like it or not the bill was passed. Holding the country hostage to appease a minority of the population is ridiculous and an excuse.
To shut down the country? No. A majority view it unfavorably, yes.
However if you break down the bill and actually explain it to people they support it. This is due to the incredible amounts of propaganda that have branded Obamacare an evil that must be stopped. Just look at what people on this forum say. They act like a five mile wide meteor is headed to Earth and will wipe out civilization. Just like they did with electing Obama in 08, and 12, and with everything that happens that negatively effects the rich.
Dysfunctional politics is not a good thing. There are real, negative consequences to this. No its not the end of the world but people lose jobs, miss paychecks, can't afford to pay bills. It is highly disruptive all for nothing.
Interesting, what is your company gonna do?
IMHO it has little to do with logistics and everything to do with maximizing profits and conservative ideology of making sure nobody gets anything for "free".
Healthcare profits are absolutely fantastic for those on top so they will fight to the death to keep it that way.
.Conservatives are already in a tizzy over people getting food for free, the prospect of them getting more or better healthcare has them even more outraged
Complaining about poor people getting healthcare for "free" does not please me. There is a myth in that word free. You see when people do menial low paying jobs they create a lot of value, value that goes up the chain and redistributes itself disproportionately to the upper echelon. If you look at the direction the country is going this imbalance is becoming larger and larger in the last four decades. If they have to give some money back in the form of making sure everyone has decent healthcare that is not an injustice, it is fairness. I do not care if some people get a free ride if it means another ten get what they deserve. The world is not perfect and this is next best thing to single payer for the poor.It's also pretty ****ed up to pass unpopular laws banking on the fact that people love free things and will support it when those free things start rolling out. Who does that all the time? Oh right, democrats. The party that can't shut up about America being a democracy has a very bad habit of voting against the will of the people.
The majority of the country also once supported slavery. The amount of right-wing propaganda injected into the public makes them a poor candidate to judge anything. I hate to say it but most people are not fit to make these kinds of decisions. LoL, I know you guys will have a **** fit over what I just said.The majority of the country is against the law for one reason or another. Some want full repeal and others want changes, but the majority of the population is against the law.
For shutting down the government?Nope. 51% are for it. Not exactly sure why, but that is what is being reported anyway.
I've seen it in numerous polls and he probably used it. This is part of the "not fit to make decisions for themselves" argument.I believe I have heard that before? Oh right, Obama said that.
What will they get then?Nothing? I think not.
They do. Of course, the interesting irony in this is substantially all of the funding of Obama care is in mandatory spending part of the budget. It is outside of the domain of congress, so this is an exercise in complete silliness.
Obama care was passed and signed into law in 2010. What is it about Regressives that makes them live in the past?
Just a reality check for Cons. Eisenhower completed his two terms (and you would never elect him today, anyway, so whats the fascination?); Reagan is dead (and you would never elect him today, anyway, so whats the fascination?); and Obamacare is the law of the land. None of these things is going to change.
Complaining about poor people getting healthcare for "free" does not please me.
There is a myth in that word free.
You see when people do menial low paying jobs they create a lot of value, value that goes up the chain and redistributes itself disproportionately to the upper echelon. If you look at the direction the country is going this imbalance is becoming larger and larger in the last four decades. If they have to give some money back in the form of making sure everyone has decent healthcare that is not an injustice, it is fairness.
I do not care if some people get a free ride if it means another ten get what they deserve.
The world is not perfect and this is next best thing to single payer for the poor.
The majority of the country also once supported slavery. The amount of right-wing propaganda injected into the public makes them a poor candidate to judge anything. I hate to say it but most people are not fit to make these kinds of decisions. LoL, I know you guys will have a **** fit over what I just said.
For shutting down the government?
I've seen it in numerous polls and he probably used it. This is part of the "not fit to make decisions for themselves" argument.
What will they get then?
If you research the cause of high healthcare costs in the U.S. you will find a very simple answer, price gouging. Republicans might think they are "preserving" health care but that is conservative ideology. Old is the best, new is bad. If you look at history we are always advancing... what would happen if we never did anything new? We'd still be living in caves for fear of using tools. Read my response to Henrin about "free".Republicans are more interested in preserving the health care service than "maximizing profits" of it. And if Obama Care is not stopped then there will be great damage to the health care system.
Also there is no "free". Everything has a cost and someone must pay it. TANSTAAFL. If there ever were a law of the Universe this would be one.
Those without adequate care are forced to go to the emergency room and also miss out on tremendous amounts of preventative care that could save much money and lives down the road. This is highly inefficient and a plus of Obamacare. We're already paying for it. The richest country in the world can afford for everyone to get standardized no questions asked healthcare.The high costs of health care in part are to pay for those who were and are not able to pay for it. And since you want "free" health care this is the result. Imagine it ballooning.
Who cares? Is somebody eating a sandwich they didn't pay for really the worst thing that could happen? Most people work, most people (especially the poor doing menial jobs) contribute much more to society that they receive in compensation. It is unfair for the poor to receive substandard healthcare. Just a FYI, did you know your "free" checking account at your local bank is paid for by aggressive overdraft fees that rob those with the least amount of money? The poor as a whole are not a drain on the society, quite the opposite.Conservative are concerned that the Food Stamp Program and others are being abused. Or like WAC is causing harm to families and communities.
Like our current system that is the most expensive in the world and provides care ranked 39th behind Cuba? The "free market" had its chance and it created a bad system. You can blame government intervention for it but we're at the point where we need a new direction and the government completely deregulating healthcare and walking away creating a libertarian utopia ain't gonna happen.And with respect to health care there are better options than Obama Care which is meant to fail.
Yeah, hospitals can charge $10 for an aspirin. It's sick. So lets build on the law to make everything more transparent. Why would you have to repeal it to do that?
Ok?
Of course, nothing is free. Don't tell the democrats though. They live in some weird world where they support higher taxes to pay for welfare and at the same time think welfare is free.
Yes, providing people with healthcare against your will is justice. Perhaps if the world was upside down and all the blood rushed to my head that would make sense.
What makes you think they deserve anything?
No, this is a stepping stone to single payer. It's kind of the point of the law.
No, I expected it. Many people sit around chanting democracy and when the people oppose them all of a sudden the people are stupid and the smart people know what is good for them.
That is what I said.
Yeah, Obama likes to think he is smarter than everyone else. Nothing new there.
What they are after?
I gotta tell ya, a lot of money the hospitals make don't go to doctors, they go to bulls*** projects. I worked at an agency that was hired by a hospital to put a $2 million art installation in a new ward that itself would cost multiple millions. Everyone involved talked about how great it was, but it bothered me that so much money was going into what was essentially a luxury that nobody needed. Better that they save the people who needed the care the money they would have spent. In this sense, people like me that are supportive of Obamacare like it because it at least does something instead of just letting this perverse system go on unchanged.
This is all standard libertarian "aint my problem **** everyone and everything, I wash my hands of any participation." This is of zero help. Its not like we live in a country where everything is squared up equal except for them darn poor people who do nothing and suck benefits. The whole system is somewhat corrupt yet for some reason you guys want to put the screws on the poor just as hard as you can as though it somehow fixes everything, what a crock of ****.
No, I'm the one who noted the utter absurdity of the position we are currently in.
The Republicans passed a half-assed bill designed to shortchange what had already been passed. They are the ones responsible for a shutdown.
You obviously support defunding it ... own the shutdown.
The poor should get all the welfare they need until corporate welfare is largely ended and we live in a much fairer society where all work is justly rewarded. How it all functions is a large and complex mess and I don't have all the answers to what welfare goes where. What I do know is that two parents working "average" jobs in the U.S. barely make enough money to survive. Those that have trouble finding full time employment or suffer a health care crisis in the family are destroyed.Want to talk about corporate welfare? I'm down. Though the line gets a bit blurred when you realize that welfare for the poor is also corporate welfare.
What do poor people deserve anyway? Can you define exactly what they deserve?
We won't but these are things that can be done instead of having a system that is going to be run by the most hated department in this country. When rationing occurs and it will occur there will be riots over this and that department will experience the Peoples wrath.
The ACA is bad law we need to look over options that do not require government taking over the health care system.
I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post. Your trying to insert partisanship to argue a statement I made where I expressly said to ignore it. What I said was very accurate. I know you're just itching to stand up and blame people, but that was not the point of my comment.We are in this position since the Democratic leadership
to be used as pawns to further destroy the middle class?Can you define exactly what they deserve?
The will of the people to shut down the government when there is a disagreement? Really?
Would you like a shutdown every time there is a disagreement?
This is a step towards a level of dysfunction that is seriously alarming.
Our congress people need to do their job on time with minimal disruption
. This is a highly destructive method of running a country.
A lot of people want it and whether you like it or not the bill was passed.
Holding the country hostage to appease a minority of the population is ridiculous and an excuse.
To shut down the country? No. A majority view it unfavorably, yes.
However if you break down the bill and actually explain it to people they support it.
This is due to the incredible amounts of propaganda that have branded Obamacare an evil that must be stopped.
Just look at what people on this forum say. They act like a five mile wide meteor is headed to Earth and will wipe out civilization.
Just like they did with electing Obama in 08, and 12, and with everything that happens that negatively effects the rich.
Dysfunctional politics is not a good thing.
There are real, negative consequences to this.
No its not the end of the world but people lose jobs, miss paychecks, can't afford to pay bills.
It is highly disruptive all for nothing.
Opinion.
Opinion.
Opinion.
They passed all but the ACA funding aka Obama Care. There is no requirement to pass the budget as a whole in one bill. There should be no objection to the presented bill in the Senate.
Oh please. It is obstruction. I can't believe you guys are actually trying to float this.
If you research the cause of high healthcare costs in the U.S. you will find a very simple answer, price gouging.
Republicans might think they are "preserving" health care but that is conservative ideology.
Old is the best, new is bad. If you look at history we are always advancing... what would happen if we never did anything new? We'd still be living in caves for fear of using tools. Read my response to Henrin about "free".
Those without adequate care are forced to go to the emergency room and also miss out on tremendous amounts of preventative care that could save much money and lives down the road.
This is highly inefficient and a plus of Obamacare. We're already paying for it.
The richest country in the world can afford for everyone to get standardized no questions asked healthcare.
Who cares? Is somebody eating a sandwich they didn't pay for really the worst thing that could happen? Most people work, most people (especially the poor doing menial jobs) contribute much more to society that they receive in compensation.
It is unfair for the poor to receive substandard healthcare.
Just a FYI, did you know your "free" checking account at your local bank is paid for by aggressive overdraft fees that rob those with the least amount of money? The poor as a whole are not a drain on the society, quite the opposite.
Like our current system that is the most expensive in the world and provides care ranked 39th behind Cuba?
.The "free market" had its chance and it created a bad system
You can blame government intervention for it but we're at the point where we need a new direction and the government completely deregulating healthcare and walking away creating a libertarian utopia ain't gonna happen.
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