- Joined
- May 30, 2005
- Messages
- 1,379
- Reaction score
- 91
- Location
- Eastern Standard Time zone
- Gender
- Female
- Political Leaning
- Liberal
Naughty Nurse said:Hey, Justine, thanks for posting your story. It's a very sad, but all too common one.
Absolutely nobody would choose to go through that.
faminedynasty said:I couldn't choose to be gay any more than I could choose to be black. Nothing against either group, I respect them, but I could not elect to be them. It is impossible.
Loki said:Until someone comes up with a homosexual gene, I'll have to assume it's
choice.
You mean like this one?Loki said:Until someone comes up with a homosexual gene, I'll have to assume it's
choice.
Are you heterosexual by choice? Or when you hit puberty were you just naturally noticing and becoming attracted to the opposite sex? I don't think there is a specific gene tied to it, just how your body chemicals end up reacting to certain situations. I'm sure some people are homosexual by choice and others are not. Bisexuals can't help but be attracted to both sexes. Either way, whether it's inborn or a choice, I still think both of those lifestyles should be protected under laws.Loki said:Until someone comes up with a homosexual gene, I'll have to assume it's
choice.
Remember when you assume you make an ass out of u and meLoki said:Until someone comes up with a homosexual gene, I'll have to assume it's
choice.
So he chose to have a heterosexual facade because of the discrimination. He could also be bisexual or anywhere in the sexuality spectrum.satanloveslibs said:What about the man with three kids and is married for twelve years and starts having homosexual feelings in the twelf year of marriage and leaves his family for men. How come those feelings didn't come earlier. He chose it.
This is a true story too. This guy used to work for my mom and stuff.
shuamort said:You mean like this one?
MikeyC said:Are you heterosexual by choice? Or when you hit puberty were you just naturally noticing and becoming attracted to the opposite sex? I don't think there is a specific gene tied to it, just how your body chemicals end up reacting to certain situations. I'm sure some people are homosexual by choice and others are not. Bisexuals can't help but be attracted to both sexes. Either way, whether it's inborn or a choice, I still think both of those lifestyles should be protected under laws.
satanloveslibs said:What about the man with three kids and is married for twelve years and starts having homosexual feelings in the twelf year of marriage and leaves his family for men. How come those feelings didn't come earlier. He chose it.
This is a true story too. This guy used to work for my mom and stuff.
Loki said:I believe we should all have the same protection under the law. I am
not a proponent for special rights.
Agreed, a crime is a crime is a crime. There shouldn't be extra penalties based on the class of the victim.Loki said:There has been a movement afoot for years to have hate crimes, intended to
protect minorities, expanded to include gays. I feel everyone who
commits a crime should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
irregardless of sexual orientation, race, or religion of the victim.
shuamort said:Agreed, a crime is a crime is a crime. There shouldn't be extra penalties based on the class of the victim.
An action by a person against a victim only affects the victim. Someone having an abortion doesn't affect me. A wife beating up her husband doesn't affect me. The dragging of a black man behind a truck in Texas doesn't affect me.JustineCredible said:The class of the victim is not what "hate crimes" laws are actually all about. To say so only over simplifies the crime itself. Hate crimes are crimes which impact an entire community. Crimes motivated by hate toward an entire community by an individual or group are "Hate Crimes."
A beating of a Jewish man impacts the entire Jewish community, serial rape impacts women of a locational community, murder of a gay man or lesbian impacts the entire gay community.
They are motivated by hate and are only intended to generate even more hate.
shuamort said:An action by a person against a victim only affects the victim. Someone having an abortion doesn't affect me. A wife beating up her husband doesn't affect me. The dragging of a black man behind a truck in Texas doesn't affect me.
That's not to say I'm apathetic, it's to say that the crime itself is heinous enough that the person should be prosecuted on that basis instead of their motivation. Would Oswald's guilt be any different if he did it on the basis of Kennedy's Catholicism? Would Matthew Shepard be any more alive if there were a hate crime law in Wyoming?
I never said it was. I asked if Oswald's guilt would be any different.JustineCredible said:Oswald's crime was not motivated by hatred of Catholicism.
Well, as for the entire gay community being affected, since I am a "member" and I wasn't affected, then the statement isn't true. Moreover, there have been recent discoveries that show that the crime wasn't motivated by Shepard's sexual orientation, but by his drug use. No, do you still think it's childish and inane? Should we be making hate crime laws for drug users?JustineCredible said:As far as Mr. Shepard, murder is murder and no amount of punishment of the criminals will ever bring him back. To suggest so is simply childish and inane.
Matthews murder did indeed AFFECT the entire gay community, but it did not EFFECT me personally.
Does it make the crime any worse? If a serial killer randomly goes around killing people, does that make the victims less worth it than if they were all a sexual minority or of a different religious affiliation or a different skin color? No.JustineCredible said:Serial rape doesn't EFFECT me unless I became a victim of the rapist in question. Does the rapist AFFECT all women living in the area, yes. It's quite noticeable. Women start wearing personal alarms, walking in numbers after dark and public transportation ridership goes down by women.
If a man screaming anti-Semitic epithets goes and stabs a Jewish man, an entire community is AFFECTED by this crime. A governmental leader who screams anti-Semitics from a podium affected millions of Jewish lives back in 1940's Germany.
shuamort said:I never said it was. I asked if Oswald's guilt would be any different.
Well, as for the entire gay community being affected, since I am a "member" and I wasn't affected, then the statement isn't true. Moreover, there have been recent discoveries that show that the crime wasn't motivated by Shepard's sexual orientation, but by his drug use. No, do you still think it's childish and inane? Should we be making hate crime laws for drug users?
Does it make the crime any worse? If a serial killer randomly goes around killing people, does that make the victims less worth it than if they were all a sexual minority or of a different religious affiliation or a different skin color? No.
Let's take Jack the Ripper for instance then. He killed only prostitutes. Does that constitute a hate crime or not?JustineCredible said:Serial killers almost never kill randomly. They have a motivation to their killing, a pattern.
Hate crimes are similar in that there is a motivation inspired by a pathological hatred.
This is what separates Hate crimes from random crimes.
I'm not sure either to be honest.JustineCredible said:BTW: about the supposed drug issue of the Matthew Shepard case, I'm sorry, but I just don't give it a whole lot of credibility.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?