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Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS[W:27]

Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

The average consumer is still dealing with it for **** sake. People who have gone belly up with their home do have a hard time getting another loan for a home right? Well 1+1 = 2..

Come on man...look at the chart please...it's way up over historical norms.

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United States Consumer Credit Change | 1950-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar

There is NO shortage of credit...has not been for at least 5 years - yet still the home ownership rate plummets overall.

Heck, America is swimming in low interest debt.


You seem brighter than this man - I get the feeling you are just blanketly defending Obama no matter what instead of basing your opinion on actual data/facts.
 
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Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

People didn't lose their homes due to unemployment.

Many many did. The Credit crunch meant companies could not get credit for basic day to day opperations...., which meant people got fired, and people getting fired, meant others who had a job started to worry, which lowered consumption,...... which meant companies saw a decline in demand.. which then meant that people were fired because of lack of demand. It is all connected. This in the end meant that the people who lost their jobs in all this, along with declining housing prices.. well you got a pretty bad problem.

They lost their homes because they were upside down with their mortgages.

Being "upside down" on their mortgages aint a problem.. loads of people are or have been that and not gotten kicked out of their homes. The problem comes when they cant pay their payments... either due to no job, or a job that does not pay enough. Many people across the world are living in "upside down" mortgages situation.. it aint a problem as long as they have a job and can keep paying their payments.

They defaulted because they had balloon payments due thanks to gimmicky mortgage products requiring refi's after three years and homes that had lost so much value, the borrower COULDN'T refinance.

Yes, but most would not have a problem with ballon payments. Only those sold with predatory lending practices would have serious problem with these types of loans because many of these people were in fact.. jobless or poor.

No the problem is simple. Americans income have not gone up for decades, where as inflation has. This has meant that to maintain their lifestyles, they would have to borrow. One of the popular ways was to re-mortgage and use that money to spend. The whole "naughties" and part of the 1990s were based on this method.. almost the whole economic growth of the US was based on this.

Many of them defaulted because they made a conscious decision to default. In mortgage products requiring very little or no equity, when housing prices fell by 25%, why would ANYONE continue making payments?

To have a roof over your head? You sound like you are talking about house flippers who could care less.. or limited companies.

As to food stamps, I'm with Ocean. Please explain how people collecting food stamps CAUSES a credit crunch.

Where the HELL did I ever say that it caused the credit crunch? I said it was a response to the credit crunch and overall economic misery of the last decade.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Pst.. stuff like this does not fix it self overnight, especially with the GOP cockblocking Obama at every turn. The mentality that created the problem is still out there, and it is coming back... there will be another credit crunch sooner than later, because the problem was never really fixed.. just paved over with wet paper..

In the mean time millions of Americans cant get loans because of their piss poor credit ratings due the criminal actions of the banks... who were never punished.

Greetings, PeteEU. :2wave:

The administration at that time was behind home ownership for those who they felt were being discriminated against. Many people who could not qualify for a loan suddenly became eligible, and they took advantage of it. The banks had no choice but to comply with the new rules, even when it became obvious it couldn't last. They offered "teaser" rates to entice people to buy a home, even though many of those buyers still had a "renter's" outlook on life, so personal responsibility for upkeep became almost non-existent.

Logic dictates that someone earning $30,000 a year should not buy a $250,000 house, but it became almost commonplace. Unfortunately, when the teaser rates became a normal home interest rate, many walked away from the homes they had purchased, since they were facing foreclosure, because they couldn't afford the payments. Many of those homes are still being carried on the bank's books, since many were trashed and it's costly to make repairs due to long-term neglect. Some are being sold because the price has dropped so low it's a steal for those with money to fix them up, especially in more affluent areas.

Were the banks to blame when they were told to make exceptions by politicians? Probably, but let's not forget those who were told everyone deserved to own a home, and fell for the bull**** the politicians were peddling, which made the whole fiasco possible? Their credit ratings, which were probably not all that great to begin with - some did not even have to provide proof that they even had a job - are now being denied credit because of their poor credit ratings. I wonder if they have learned from their misfortune, and won't make that mistake again?

"If something seems too good to be true, it's either got a catch to it that you haven't heard yet, or it's just plain not true."
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Come on man...look at the chart please...it's way up over historical norms.

united-states-consumer-credit.png


United States Consumer Credit Change | 1950-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar

There is NO shortage of credit...has not been for at least 5 years - yet still the home ownership rate plummets overall.

Heck, America is swimming in low interest debt.


You seem brighter than this man - I get the feeling you are just blanketly defending Obama no matter what instead of basing your opinion on actual data/facts.

For **** sake.. There is no shortage of credit NOW, but the damage is already done. Cant you understand that people who have defaulted on loans have a ****ty credit score and cant get new loans under the present conditions? That is a hell of a lot of people, because of what the credit crunch crisis did.

I aint defending Obama at all, I am pointing out the economic realities.. Obama, Romeny.. Bush 3.0 or Reagan could not have done anything to change the economic realities. When you go belly up, and are not called Trump.. then your credit score is in the ****ter and hard to repair. That means you wont be able to get a mortgage or any loan. It is just a fact of life.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Over night???? Dude, its been 8 years.

Yes, and? Has wages gone up? Has peoples incomes gone up? No. Without that happening, then you wont do much at all, unless you borrow like mad.. which is impossible now days.

Look at the 30s recession. How long did it take to get out of that hole? A world war and a decade after that basically. The economic shock of the credit crunch is in no way over.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

And who has been in charge for the last 8 years while all this 'papering over the problem' has gone on? Thats right, Obama.


And who had 8 years to 'punish this criminal behavior?' Thats right, Obama. Glad to see that we agree that he has been a failed president.

Why do you forget that it is Congress that has to actually do **** to fix the problems? Where has the GOP been? Doing everything in their power to prevent any solution by Obama, and not coming with any solutions themselves...

So blame Obama all you want, but he shares that blame with the GOP run Congress and the Tea Party.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Yes, and? Has wages gone up? Has peoples incomes gone up? No. Without that happening, then you wont do much at all, unless you borrow like mad.. which is impossible now days.

Look at the 30s recession. How long did it take to get out of that hole? A world war and a decade after that basically. The economic shock of the credit crunch is in no way over.

Ok, so Obama has been a failure. We agree.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Many many did. The Credit crunch meant companies could not get credit for basic day to day opperations...., which meant people got fired, and people getting fired, meant others who had a job started to worry, which lowered consumption,...... which meant companies saw a decline in demand.. which then meant that people were fired because of lack of demand. It is all connected. This in the end meant that the people who lost their jobs in all this, along with declining housing prices.. well you got a pretty bad problem.

Being "upside down" on their mortgages aint a problem.. loads of people are or have been that and not gotten kicked out of their homes. The problem comes when they cant pay their payments... either due to no job, or a job that does not pay enough. Many people across the world are living in "upside down" mortgages situation.. it aint a problem as long as they have a job and can keep paying their payments.

Yes, but most would not have a problem with ballon payments. Only those sold with predatory lending practices would have serious problem with these types of loans because many of these people were in fact.. jobless or poor.

No the problem is simple. Americans income have not gone up for decades, where as inflation has. This has meant that to maintain their lifestyles, they would have to borrow. One of the popular ways was to re-mortgage and use that money to spend. The whole "naughties" and part of the 1990s were based on this method.. almost the whole economic growth of the US was based on this.

To have a roof over your head? You sound like you are talking about house flippers who could care less.. or limited companies.

Where the HELL did I ever say that it caused the credit crunch? I said it was a response to the credit crunch and overall economic misery of the last decade.

I really don't know where to start. I think, if you live in Denmark and did at the lead-up to this recession, you are in no position to try to appear such an expert on this subject.

Being upside down wasn't necessarily a problem. In many cases, it was an opportunity. People intentionally walked away from their homes by the hundreds of thousands because they weren't going to make payments on a $200,000 mortgage when their homes were worth $150,000. AND for their trouble? They actually came out looking pretty good. They stopped paying their mortgage ... The lender took a few years to complete the foreclosure process ... They cannibalized their homes when they were finally evicted ...stripping and selling light fixtures, appliances, mechanicals, etc., etc. no consequences. AND they saved "rent" for two years or more in the process.

Those who had balloon mortgages were thrown into foreclosure automatically because they could not refinance their homes due to their value taking such an enormous hit. If you don't understand the mechanics of balloon payments and being unable to refinance, we don't have much to talk about really.

And since you mentioned borrowers stripping their homes of equity, I would remind you that they do INDEED deserve part of the blame. Your flip "you blame the victims" comment is in complete opposition to you referring to the naughty nineties. Banks take blame as well with their constant mailings offering to refi people's homes at 125% of value.

You say many people are living with upside down mortgages. Yeah would be fools to do so. Complete idiots.

You're right about some things and dead wrong about others showing, frankly, that you don't have as clear an understanding of the problem as you think you do.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Greetings, PeteEU. :2wave:
The administration at that time was behind home ownership for those who they felt were being discriminated against. Many people who could not qualify for a loan suddenly became eligible, and they took advantage of it. The banks had no choice but to comply with the new rules, even when it became obvious it couldn't last. They offered "teaser" rates to entice people to buy a home, even though many of those buyers still had a "renter's" outlook on life, so personal responsibility for upkeep became almost non-existent.

Sorry but that is GOP right wing bull****. Fannie and Freddie Mac have been key to push home ownership up to the levels it is, but the GOP has been against it from the start it seems. So much for the American dream eh?

No those offering "teaser" rates, were the banks and most of these loans did not qualify under Fannie and Freddie. 60+% of all loans given out in 2006 were in the private unsecured (aka non Fannie and Freddie) market.. it was those loans that went crashing first and caused a snowball effect.

Logic dictates that someone earning $30,000 a year should not buy a $250,000 house, but it became almost commonplace. Unfortunately, when the teaser rates became a normal home interest rate, many walked away from the homes they had purchased, since they were facing foreclosure, because they couldn't afford the payments. Many of those homes are still being carried on the bank's books, since many were trashed and it's costly to make repairs due to long-term neglect. Some are being sold because the price has dropped so low it's a steal for those with money to fix them up, especially in more affluent areas.

If this is your logic, then you would not have 20% home ownership in the US. Now 30k a year and a million dollar home.. that I would agree. However if you need 50k+ income to get a home mortgage on a 250k home.. then you do realize that 50+% of the American households would not qualify right?

Were the banks to blame when they were told to make exceptions by politicians? Probably, but let's not forget those who were told everyone deserved to own a home, and fell for the bull**** the politicians were peddling, which made the whole fiasco possible? Their credit ratings, which were probably not all that great to begin with - some did not even have to provide proof that they even had a job - are now being denied credit because of their poor credit ratings. I wonder if they have learned from their misfortune, and won't make that mistake again?

Owning a home is part of the American dream. Chances are that you and pretty much every under 40 year old American on these boards would never be able to get a mortgage if it was not for Fannie and Freddie. You would not have the economic means to get even in the door at the bank. If banks were to run the mortage system without an underwriter like Fannie or Freddie, then most Americans would never be able to buy their own home.

Again the problem was in the unsecured private banking loan market, which exploded under Bush 2 and was made possible under Clinton by a GOP run congress. It was the banks, like Washington Mutual, Citi, Bank of America and others that were pushing these crappy loans on people who could never ever get a normal home loan under Fannie or Freddie rules... it was predatory lending based on the idea that housing prices always goes up and you would be able to remortgage when the time comes... well that time never came, and those crappy loans brought down the world economy.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Why do you forget that it is Congress that has to actually do **** to fix the problems? Where has the GOP been? Doing everything in their power to prevent any solution by Obama, and not coming with any solutions themselves...

So blame Obama all you want, but he shares that blame with the GOP run Congress and the Tea Party.

Wait, I thought you liberals have been telling us that Obama solved the problem with his stimulus and his deficits. Cant you libs keep your lies...er...stories straight? Oh, and since congress is the one that gets credit now, do you blame congress for the financial collapse? Dems controlled congress in 2008, you know. Maybe if they hadnt fought Bush at every turn, the economy wouldnt have collapsed in the first place. There is a bit more to reality than the childish belief that "If only democrats had total power, everything would be sunshine and rainbows." But believe what you want. Obviously credibility isnt a value of yours to begin with.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

I really don't know where to start. I think, if you live in Denmark and did at the lead-up to this recession, you are in no position to try to appear such an expert on this subject.

I am far bigger "expert" on the subject than Americans who have been believing the GOP whitewash of the banking industry and framing of Fannie and Freddie.

Being upside down wasn't necessarily a problem. In many cases, it was an opportunity. People intentionally walked away from their homes by the hundreds of thousands because they weren't going to make payments on a $200,000 mortgage when their homes were worth $150,000. AND for their trouble? They actually came out looking pretty good. They stopped paying their mortgage ... The lender took a few years to complete the foreclosure process ... They cannibalized their homes when they were finally evicted ...stripping and selling light fixtures, appliances, mechanicals, etc., etc. no consequences. AND they saved "rent" for two years or more in the process.

Yes and would these people ever be able to get another loan and buy another home?

Those who had balloon mortgages were thrown into foreclosure automatically because they could not refinance their homes due to their value taking such an enormous hit. If you don't understand the mechanics of balloon payments and being unable to refinance, we don't have much to talk about really.

And would these people be able to get a loan or mortgage again?

And since you mentioned borrowers stripping their homes of equity, I would remind you that they do INDEED deserve part of the blame. Your flip "you blame the victims" comment is in complete opposition to you referring to the naughty nineties. Banks take blame as well with their constant mailings offering to refi people's homes at 125% of value.

Stripping their homes of equity is not unusual or immoral. Doing it every year because house prices are going crazy.. is another matter.

You say many people are living with upside down mortgages. Yeah would be fools to do so. Complete idiots.

Why? Losing your home, not being able to get credit and having to live on the street... is that being foolish?
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Ok, so Obama has been a failure. We agree.

The US congress run by the GOP has been just as big failure and has to take more blame as they have been the reason nothing has been done.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Wait, I thought you liberals have been telling us that Obama solved the problem with his stimulus and his deficits. Cant you libs keep your lies...er...stories straight? Oh, and since congress is the one that gets credit now, do you blame congress for the financial collapse? Dems controlled congress in 2008, you know. Maybe if they hadnt fought Bush at every turn, the economy wouldnt have collapsed in the first place. There is a bit more to reality than the childish belief that "If only democrats had total power, everything would be sunshine and rainbows." But believe what you want. Obviously credibility isnt a value of yours to begin with.

First off, I aint a "liberal" in the American definition.

Secondly, Obama did solve some of the issues.. aka a collapsing economy with his stimulus and deficits. But that does not mean that he solved the issues that caused the economic collapse in the first place. He has to work with Congress, a congress who refused from the day he got office to work with him on anything.

And yes the US congress along with Clinton and Bush are the reason that you had the financial crisis. Had it not been for the ability to start a private unsecured mortgage market that was not under any regulations worth a damn, and removing the walls between financial banks and brick and mortar banks... then this would never have happened.

Face it, this is deregulation gone amok, and it failed big time. Banks and people got greedy and in the end the tax payer would have to bail out the banks.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

I am far bigger "expert" on the subject than Americans who have been believing the GOP whitewash of the banking industry and framing of Fannie and Freddie.

Yes and would these people ever be able to get another loan and buy another home?

And would these people be able to get a loan or mortgage again?

Stripping their homes of equity is not unusual or immoral. Doing it every year because house prices are going crazy.. is another matter.

Why? Losing your home, not being able to get credit and having to live on the street... is that being foolish?

Could they ever get another loan? Yep. No problem. Wait a year.

Stripping equity out of one's home is not illegal. Not immoral. Just stupid. To keep taking money out of one's home to finance a lifestyle one could not otherwise afford is ridiculous. If it's for college? Medical? Unforeseen emergencies? That's one thing. Financing a vacation is quite another.

Having to live on the street? Where do you get your information?

I'm done with you on this subject. It is quite obvious you are misinformed.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Is the President supposed to direct the economy? Is the government supposed tinker with it?
Funny. I thought conservatives were free market advocates.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

The US congress run by the GOP has been just as big failure and has to take more blame as they have been the reason nothing has been done.

Fine. Obama is a failure and so is congress. We can end leave this pointless conversation on a note of agreement.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Is the President supposed to direct the economy? Is the government supposed tinker with it?
Funny. I thought conservatives were free market advocates.

That horse left the barn generations ago.
 
Home Ownership Rate

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Plus, home ownership rate now matches the lowest level on record in America.


How is this POSSIBLY not a bad thing?


Once again, I am neither Dem nor Rep.

A good many people have no business buying a home, as they do not have the discipline or finances to maintain one. These heartbeat loans that were drummed in starting with the Jimmy Carter era is what started the entire mess to begin with.
 
A lot of baby boomers have retired and decided to buy condos or rent an apartment so they do not have to worry about lawns or the outside upkeep of the property.

Others think apartment living or is wonderful because a manager does most of upkeep inside and out.

Others rent homes because they do not wish to pay property taxs.

Not everyone wants the hassle and upkeep of owning a home and frankly many cannot handle the responsibilities of home ownership anyway.
 
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Sorry but that is GOP right wing bull****. Fannie and Freddie Mac have been key to push home ownership up to the levels it is, but the GOP has been against it from the start it seems. So much for the American dream eh?

No those offering "teaser" rates, were the banks and most of these loans did not qualify under Fannie and Freddie. 60+% of all loans given out in 2006 were in the private unsecured (aka non Fannie and Freddie) market.. it was those loans that went crashing first and caused a snowball effect.

If this is your logic, then you would not have 20% home ownership in the US. Now 30k a year and a million dollar home.. that I would agree. However if you need 50k+ income to get a home mortgage on a 250k home.. then you do realize that 50+% of the American households would not qualify right?

Owning a home is part of the American dream. Chances are that you and pretty much every under 40 year old American on these boards would never be able to get a mortgage if it was not for Fannie and Freddie. You would not have the economic means to get even in the door at the bank. If banks were to run the mortage system without an underwriter like Fannie or Freddie, then most Americans would never be able to buy their own home.

Again the problem was in the unsecured private banking loan market, which exploded under Bush 2 and was made possible under Clinton by a GOP run congress. It was the banks, like Washington Mutual, Citi, Bank of America and others that were pushing these crappy loans on people who could never ever get a normal home loan under Fannie or Freddie rules... it was predatory lending based on the idea that housing prices always goes up and you would be able to remortgage when the time comes... well that time never came, and those crappy loans brought down the world economy.

Pete, for the record, I try very hard not to add bull**** to my posts, since there is enough to go around without me adding more. :mrgreen:

Not to get too lengthy - since you are aware of what happened - in 1977, the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was signed into law by POTUS Jimmy Carter, which forced banks to give risky home loans to people who could not really afford them, under the guise of home ownership for everyone, with Fannie and Freddie guaranteeing they would buy up bad loans.

When banks realized that F & F would buy up almost any subprime mortgage, things started to go downhill. As a result, F & F collapsed in 2008, forcing the Federal government to spend over a trillion dollars on mortgage backed securities.

If you recall, Barney Frank was on the hot seat about this for quite a while, because the Bush administration had often attempted to call his attention to the growing problem, and he did finally admit that he had missed the warning signs of the lenders' descent into insolvency, because he was wearing "ideological blinders." In truth, both government and the banks were at fault for the collapse, IMO, because both inattention and probable greed played large parts in this drama, and that included both political parties, not just the GOP as you indicated in your post.

As an odd side note, we got a home loan in the late 1970s, and my bank wanted all kinds of proof that we both had jobs, that we could afford what we were buying, that we had a large enough down payment, that we were both healthy enough to continue working - almost everything except offering my firstborn child as security! :shock: Banks were much stricter back then, and it's sad that things changed so much that a collapse became inevitable, IMO.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Yes, and? Has wages gone up? Has peoples incomes gone up? No. Without that happening, then you wont do much at all, unless you borrow like mad.. which is impossible now days.

Look at the 30s recession. How long did it take to get out of that hole? A world war and a decade after that basically. The economic shock of the credit crunch is in no way over.

And how long did it take to get out of the 1920/21 Depression...which was far worse then the recent Great Recession?

Within 3 1/2 years the DOW and the unemployment rate were back to near pre-crash highs...all while lowering (yes, lowering) the national debt by over 10% during the depression.

The reason the Great Depression took so long to end completely was that it was so badly handled.

Ten years after the crash of 1929, unemployment was still 5 times higher then before the crash and the DOW never went higher then 52% of it's pre-crash high...despite the national debt more then doubling.

The moral of the story is...it is foolish to try and spend your way out of a major recession/depression. Best to sit back and let the economy fix itself...which Obama (and Bush) DEFINITELY did NOT do.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

Is the President supposed to direct the economy? Is the government supposed tinker with it?
Funny. I thought conservatives were free market advocates.

That is the whole point...Obama did a heck of a lot more then just tinker with it...he tried to manipulate it with huge stimulus, large deficits, changing the Mark-to-Market rules and appointing ultra-doves at the Fed that he knew (and probably instructed) to be hyper-aggressive in stimulating the economy.

Obama's fingerprints are all over it.

If he is going to take credit for things like the U-3 rate - then he has to take credit for the bad stats as well.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

For **** sake.. There is no shortage of credit NOW, but the damage is already done. Cant you understand that people who have defaulted on loans have a ****ty credit score and cant get new loans under the present conditions? That is a hell of a lot of people, because of what the credit crunch crisis did.

I aint defending Obama at all, I am pointing out the economic realities.. Obama, Romeny.. Bush 3.0 or Reagan could not have done anything to change the economic realities. When you go belly up, and are not called Trump.. then your credit score is in the ****ter and hard to repair. That means you wont be able to get a mortgage or any loan. It is just a fact of life.

Can you not read the charts I am providing?

Hello? It shows that consumers are utilizing TONS of credit. They cannot be doing that if their credit scores are too lousy to take out credit. How can you not see that?

THERE IS TONS OF CREDIT AVAILABLE AND AMERICANS ARE TAKING IT OUT IN LARGE QUANTITIES. The charts I post prove that...100%.

No offense, but you are exactly what is wrong with most people in terms of macroeconomics. You don't understand them but you think you do. You don't even live in America and yet you claim to know what is going on even when ALL the government data proves you are DEAD WRONG.
I do this for a living and I am telling you your 'Americans cannot get credit' idea is TOTALLY WRONG and has been TOTALLY WRONG for 5 years...no offense intended.

I give up...your mind is clearly, completely closed on this.


Good day.
 
Re: Home ownership rate has fallen FAR more under Obama then any other POTUS

in 1977, the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was signed into law by POTUS Jimmy Carter, which forced banks to give risky home loans to people who could not really afford them, under the guise of home ownership for everyone, with Fannie and Freddie guaranteeing they would buy up bad loans.

You are either lying, or are far too ill-informed on the subject to be pushing this topic. CRA doesn't force anyone to do anything other than review the loan applications in zip coded areas where banks take deposits. That's it. Nothing more. There are instances of violations, where banks were taking the money as deposits and redlining.

When banks realized that F & F would buy up almost any subprime mortgage, things started to go downhill. As a result, F & F collapsed in 2008, forcing the Federal government to spend over a trillion dollars on mortgage backed securities.

Again, you are either lying or simply not informed enough to be a part of these discussions:

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Do you know what this chart means?
 
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