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Tashah

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Hizbollah insists on prisoner exchange with Israel
Wed Aug 30, 2006

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Hizbollah will only release two captured Israeli soldiers as part of a prisoner exchange with Israel, a Hizbollah government minister said on Wednesday.

"There is no unconditional release. It is not feasible," Lebanese Energy Minister Mohammed Fneish told a news conference.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who held separate talks with Fneish in Beirut on Monday, had called for the two Israelis to be handed over to the Lebanese government or a third party, under the auspices of the International Committee of the Red Cross....

I have added a bold emphasis to the above text. This Lebanese statement is counter to what Lebanon/Hizb'Allah agreed to in UN Resolution 1701. Paragraph 4 of the Resolution states:
§4. Emphasising the need for an end of violence, but at the same time emphasizing the need to address urgently the causes that have given rise to the current crisis, including by the unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldiers

By refusing to release the two kidnapped soldiers, Lebanon/Hizb'Allah are willfully breaking the 1701 cease-fire agreement.

Also, by international law the kidnapped soldiers are now considered as hostages... which is a War Crime according to the Geneva Conventions.
 
I personally believe that Israel should have never agreed to a cease fire. Do we even know if these two soldiers are still alive? And yes I think they did break the 1701 cease-fire agreement by not returning them and Israel should go and finish the job they set out to do.
 
ThePhoenix said:
I personally believe that Israel should have never agreed to a cease fire. Do we even know if these two soldiers are still alive? And yes I think they did break the 1701 cease-fire agreement by not returning them and Israel should go and finish the job they set out to do.
Look at the next section of resolution 1701, it is about the Lebanese prisoners detained in Israel.

Emphasising the need for an end of violence, but at the same time emphasising the need to address urgently the causes that have given rise to the current crisis, including by the unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldiers;

Mindful of the sensitivity of the issue of prisoners and encouraging the efforts aimed at urgently settling the issue of the Lebanese prisoners detained in Israel;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4785963.stm

These sections are being handled together, I guess.

According to Eqyptian government newspaper "Al-Ahram" they reached an agreement to exchange the prisoners within the next two or three weeks.

The implementation of the cease fire takes a little time, that's life.
 
The release of the kidnapped IDF soldiers is to be unconditional and not predicated with or dependent upon a quid quo pro of UN Resolution 1701 Paragraph 5. The two IDF soldiers are to be released unharmed (§4) - and afterwards trilateral talks will ensue about Lebanese prisoners held in Israeli custody (§5).

Even Kofi Annan agrees that the IDF soldiers should have already been released by Hizb'Allah! Look at the date of the Lebanese minister's statement in the OP - August 30 - which was yesterday!

Just like UN Resolution 1559, Lebanon/Hizb'Allah has no intention of honoring Resolution 1701.
 
Yes, and "Al-Ahram" reported it on last Sunday, the 27th of August. It matches. There is no timing indicated in the order of the sections.

If both sides fulfil their part of the resolution, it can still be considered unconditional by one side, while the other side can claim, they reached their goals.
 
Volker said:
There is no timing indicated in the order of the sections.
The ascending order is indicative of their timing. It is obvious by the placement that Paragraph Four is to be implimented before Paragraph Five.

Volker said:
If both sides fulfil their part of the resolution, it can still be considered unconditional by one side, while the other side can claim, they reached their goals.
Unless and until the two kidnapped IDF soldiers are released unconditionally and unharmed, Lebanon/Hizb'Allah is in breach of UN Resolution 1701.
 
Tashah said:
The ascending order is indicative of their timing. It is obvious by the placement that Paragraph Four is to be implimented before Paragraph Five.


Unless and until the two kidnapped IDF soldiers are released unconditionally and unharmed, Lebanon/Hizb'Allah is in breach of UN Resolution 1701.

Has Isreal released the Lebonese prisoners? Sounds like Isreal is equally in breach to me.
 
Iriemon said:
Has Isreal released the Lebonese prisoners? Sounds like Isreal is equally in breach to me.
No one is so far. The ceasefire is in stage to be implemented and I expect them to negotiate the conditions, even though officially they deny it. Israel still released five Lebanese men last week, the ones who were captured near Baalbek.

According to the Egyptian state-run daily Al-Ahram, Israel and Hezbollah have agreed to terms on a prisoner exchange.

Senior Egyptian officials are quoted in the paper as saying that the exchange will be mediated by Germany and is to take place in two to three weeks' time.

Al-Ahram also reported that once the exchange with Hezbollah is completed, the movement would signal to the Palestinians that they can strike a deal for the release of Gilad Shalit.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/755225.html
 
Iriemon said:
Has Isreal released the Lebonese prisoners? Sounds like Isreal is equally in breach to me.
I believe you're smarter than this Iriemon. Either re-read Post #4 or re-read Paragraphs Four and Five of 1701.

Paragraph Four is unequivocal in the unconditional release of the kidnapped IDF soldiers. Paragraph Five encourges efforts to settle the issue of Lebanese prisoners in Israeli custody.

These two paragraphs are not worded equally and are not meant to be construed equally. Even Kofi Annan agrees that the IDF soldiers should have already been released without condition. Is Kofi wrong Iriemon?
 
The hezbollah, pals,hamas nor the Lebs will honor the peace/cease-fire deals.
They want only one thing and I'm sick and damn tired of people not seeing it or pretending it isn’t there.
These a$$wipes want war, its what they breed and breath for.

I say give them what they wish for.





Tashah, this time take the gloves off.
 
It is no surprise that Hezbollah does not play by civilized ruled or the resolutions of the irrelevant U.N. who has demonstrated no propensity or backbone to enforce such rules/resolutions!

Who cares what Kofi Annan says! he is a criminal, and it is a wonder he is still the Sect General of the U.N. at all. In the past, he has covered for his friend in a sexuall harrassment case involving a U.N. Staff member, oversaw the Black Marketing scam that undermined every resolution passed against Hussein for 12 years, propping up the dictator who was raping, torturing, and gassing his own people. That wasn't enough - he then oversaw/covered for his son the fleecing of these same people through the Oil-for-food scandal while all this was going on. He then demanded the right to steal more Iraqi money so they could use millions of Iraqi oil money to pay for their defense attorneys in the case! :shock: Kofi is responsible for this latest conflict because he did not ensure the U.N. enforced Resolution 1559 and set up a buffer zone to protect Israel. Instead, he sent in a bunch of U.N. voyeurs to watch iran build up Hezbollah and the continued attacks on Israel. He WATCHED Syria and Iran assassinate Lebonese leaders and enslave Lebanon, making them a puppet state and a launching pad for attacks on Israel. He is also responsible for the next attack/conflict for not doing anything AGAIN to solve this problem! Instead, he came to Hezbollah's rescue, buying them time to rebuild to carry on the offensive against Israel. Funny thing is that Hezbollah even BOOed him when he visited this week, despite the fact that Kofi is their biggest fan and supporter these days, like he was Hussein's! During this conflict, while Iranian soldiers were found dead or captured among hezbolla, desite Hezbollah fighters declaring they had been trained in iran and the plot to kidnap the 2 Israeli soldiers had come from Iran, Kofi the criminal could STILL not bring himself to call Hezbollah a terrorist group or acknowledge Iran was involved! Amazing....and another reason the U.N. is comletely irrelevant now!

Iriemon: Has Isreal released the Lebonese prisoners? Sounds like Isreal is equally in breach to me.

Evidently Iriemon thinks the way things should work is that any terrorist group should have the right to invade your country, kidnap your soldiers, and demand (Black Mail) a prisoner exchange while YOU do not have a right to attack them or defend yourself, that you MUST participate in the prisoner swap!

"There is no unconditional release. It is not feasible," Lebanese Energy Minister Mohammed Fneish told a news conference.

The leader of Hezbollah also said he was surprised by the Israeli response to the kidnappings, like he thought it was understood by both parties that he could do that, like it was part of a game, the rules of which they had both agreed on long ago. I guess Iriemon agrees those are good rules as well.

Well, I disagree with Iriemon, Minister Fneish, and the Hezbollah leader on this one. You cross my border, you have just conducted an act of war! You kidnap 2 of my soldiers - you have just perpetrated an act of war. You demand a prisoner exchange - I come after you and kill every one of you I can find! I defend my country with extreme prejudice, killing every terrorist who fires a rocket at my country, who has anything to do with the suicide bombings in my country, and anyone who is either holding these prisoners or had anything to do with their capture!

Israel is at war against an enemy who has sworn its destruction and has been carrying out attacks to achieve that goal for over 50 years! The U.N. doe NOT get it! If 'you're either part of the problem or part of the solution', then the U.N. has been a major part of the problem for years! They always seem tio back the bad guys - Hezbollah, Hussein, etc....

And anyone who is ACTUALLY really surprised Hezbollah refuses to comply with the U.N. is beyond naive and probably expecting Iran to shut down its nuclear program today! :roll:
 
Tashah said:
I have added a bold emphasis to the above text. This Lebanese statement is counter to what Lebanon/Hizb'Allah agreed to in UN Resolution 1701. Paragraph 4 of the Resolution states:


By refusing to release the two kidnapped soldiers, Lebanon/Hizb'Allah are willfully breaking the 1701 cease-fire agreement.

Also, by international law the kidnapped soldiers are now considered as hostages... which is a War Crime according to the Geneva Conventions.

Hisb’allah is a terrorist organization. As such, it is no surprise that Hisb’allah refuses to return the individuals they abducted.

The fact that a member of the Lebanese government spoke out for Hisb’allah ("There is no unconditional release. It is not feasible," Lebanese Energy Minister Mohammed Fneish told a news conference.) is absolute proof that Lebanon is responsible for the actions of the Hisb’allah terrorist organization. Mr. Fneish’s actions provide proof of a direct link between Hisb’allah and the Lebanese government, which many people suspect has been in place for some time now.

I find it extremely suspicious that the allegedly “uninvolved” government of Lebanon would have knowledge of the whereabouts of the Israeli abductees taken by Hisb’allah. In fact, this begs the question: “Did the Lebanese government aid in the planning of an obvious act of war?” I believe they did and I believe they are still in the practice of planning acts of war a in conjunction with a known terrorist group. If nothing else, this is clear sign that neither Hisb’allah nor the current government of Lebanon can be trusted to keep their word.

If we’re going to stop Iran and Syria, we need to make them suffer for each and every weapon they conspire to smuggle to Hisb’allah. The best way to accomplish this is to obliterate the infrastructure of Iran and Syria by attacking their military bases, nuclear sites, government offices, presidential residences, and seaports. This will have the effect of crippling Iran and Syria so badly they will be unable to supply weapons to Hisb’allah.

Moreover, we need a PERMENANT, non-Muslim, U.N. peace-keeping force on the Syria/Lebanon border, to keep illegal arms from Iran, from being shipped to Hisb’allah terrorists by way of Syria. In addition to which, we need to create a “free-fire doctrine” which authorizes peace keepers to open fire on vehicles suspected of carrying weapons meant for Hisb’allah. Once this is accomplished, Hisb’allah will run out of weapons and have no choice but to cease their activities.

Wherever Islamic terrorists are concerned, a policy of no money, no guns, no problems, should be adopted.

:mrgreen:
 
Mr. Fneish’s actions provide proof of a direct link between Hisb’allah and the Lebanese government, which many people suspect has been in place for some time now.

Hmmmmmm.......

Since about 23% (according to media reports) of the elected Lebanese Government is of the Hisb'allah Party....I think the direct link has long been established.
 
cherokee said:
The hezbollah, pals,hamas nor the Lebs will honor the peace/cease-fire deals.
They want only one thing and I'm sick and damn tired of people not seeing it or pretending it isn’t there.
These a$$wipes want war, its what they breed and breath for.

I say give them what they wish for.





Tashah, this time take the gloves off.

It's time to send the devil dogs into these terrorist-infested hellholes.
We need to show these pieces of pig feces what happens to terrorists and terrorist-supporters.

:cool:
 
Tashah said:
I believe you're smarter than this Iriemon. Either re-read Post #4 or re-read Paragraphs Four and Five of 1701.

Paragraph Four is unequivocal in the unconditional release of the kidnapped IDF soldiers. Paragraph Five encourges efforts to settle the issue of Lebanese prisoners in Israeli custody.

These two paragraphs are not worded equally and are not meant to be construed equally. Even Kofi Annan agrees that the IDF soldiers should have already been released without condition. Is Kofi wrong Iriemon?

If you want to get technical the paragraph states:

emphasising the need to address urgently the causes that have given rise to the current crisis, including by the unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldiers.

A "need to urgently address the causes" is not an unequivocal requirement that the soldiers be released. Or else it would have said: "Need to immediately and unconditionally release the soldiers," not "address the causes".

I agree that the "need to address urgently the causes" and "urgently settling the issue" use different words: "address the causes" versus "settling the issue" -- but I don't see the requirement that Hezbollah unconditionally release the soldiers if Isreal is not urgently settling the Lebonese prisoner issue.
 
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Personally, I think we should bow our heads in a moment of silence and then write these two Isreali soldiers off as a casualty of war moments before going into Lebanon and flattening it into a pile of rubble. Enough negotiating with these vermin. Kill 'em all. AND anyone who supports them. Wah, wah, wah...

Build up a good head of steam and then Have Isreal join American troops and then go do the same to Iran.

Kill 'em. Kill 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out. I no longer have an ounce of sympathy for these low-life dune coons. (Can I say that? If not, I'll edit)

I no longer care what woes befall them. My heart has become hardened. Nuke 'em. The UN is a wasted effort that is only prolonging the inevitable.
 
Tashah said:
I have added a bold emphasis to the above text. This Lebanese statement is counter to what Lebanon/Hizb'Allah agreed to in UN Resolution 1701. Paragraph 4 of the Resolution states:


By refusing to release the two kidnapped soldiers, Lebanon/Hizb'Allah are willfully breaking the 1701 cease-fire agreement.

Also, by international law the kidnapped soldiers are now considered as hostages... which is a War Crime according to the Geneva Conventions.
Two Israeli sodiers captured, 47 dead Israelis, a thousand dead Lebonese, Hundreds of Palestinians in prison without trial.
What can one say.
 
JSBach said:
Two Israeli sodiers captured, 47 dead Israelis, a thousand dead Lebonese, Hundreds of Palestinians in prison without trial.
What can one say.


That you support Hisb'Allah through your repetition of their specious talking points that avoid questions such as responsibility or stated objective and instead focus on sheer numbers as a way to shift said responsibility?
 
Gardener said:
That you support Hisb'Allah through your repetition of their specious talking points that avoid questions such as responsibility or stated objective and instead focus on sheer numbers as a way to shift said responsibility?
You have a sick warped logic. How does my expressing dissaproval of the killing of 1000 Lebonese civilians equate to Hezbollah who would approve of the killing of 47 Israeli civilians ?
 
JSBach said:
You have a sick warped logic. How does my expressing dissaproval of the killing of 1000 Lebonese civilians equate to Hezbollah who would approve of the killing of 47 Israeli civilians ?
It is your morally equating of unprovoked aggression with a just response that is objectionable.
 
It's no surprise to me that Hizb'Allah (I am assuming this is the correct spelling) wouldn't release the captured Israeli soldiers. I think this is a job for a special forces type unit to go after and destroy Hizb'Allah. A unit skilled in teaching others in how to use weapons and how to fight and who is skilled in the art of information warfare.
 
MarineCorpsCandidate said:
It's no surprise to me that Hizb'Allah (I am assuming this is the correct spelling)
*Party of God* Although there is no absolute right way to transliterate this phrase into English... I believe *Hizb'Allah* comes closest to conveying its meaning and essence.
 
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JSBach said:
You have a sick warped logic. How does my expressing dissaproval of the killing of 1000 Lebonese civilians equate to Hezbollah who would approve of the killing of 47 Israeli civilians ?


That you would offer this as a response to Tasha indicates you are sick and you are warped, because it had nothing to do with her statement and completely ignored the matter of responsibility. I have read all of your postings here on this board, and you have offered little but the trite talking points of the haters of Israel.

It walks like a duck and it sure quacks liek a duck, and all I am doing is pointing out it sure appears for all the world to be a duck. If you don't want to be confused with a Hisb'allah supporter, THEN STOP SUPPORTING THEM. Show some original thinking for a change rather than just repeating all of their talking points, or else people such as myself will call it the way we see it.

Many on the extreme right indulge in their racism and homophobia while screaming at the tops of their lungs that they are not racists or homophobes. Many on the left repeat every iota of Islamist propaganda as a matter of faith and similarly whine and rant that they are not Islamist supporters. The discrepencies between what people are actually saying and what they insist they are saying are enormous in either case.
 
JSBach said:
You have a sick warped logic. How does my expressing dissaproval of the killing of 1000 Lebonese civilians equate to Hezbollah who would approve of the killing of 47 Israeli civilians?

Gardener said:
I have read all of your postings here on this board, and you have offered little but the trite talking points of the haters of Israel.
Does he not seem familiar Gardener?

Do you not recognize Aryan Imperium, Lucidthots, Gandhi>Bush, ManOfTrueTruth, robin, and the dozens of others?

Where are they?

Did their lies and hate not devour them?
 

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