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HIV Patients Told by Pentacostal Pastors to Rely on God.

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Some young HIV patients in Great Britain are giving up their medicine after being told by Pentecostal pastors to rely on faith in God instead, doctors warn.

Learn more here: http://www.bbco.uk/news/uk-23729684




I could say a lot more, but I am just going to say that this sounds dangerous to me.

What do you think?




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11 people in 5 years is not exactly that big of a thing. It is in line with the thinking of some of the more extreme Pentecostal churches. I imagine that the same 29 who felt pressured and 11 who stopped taking meds were part of congregations where the message would have been the same for non-HIV patients.

So what I think is that this story is slanted in a way of its title to try to make the religious seem to be trying to trick gays into dying to those who see the article but only skim headlines.
 

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Social Darwinism in action.
 

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I prefer Rude Darwinism. The Social Darwinists always talk too much even when you say for the third time that you need another drink.

You don't have to be a social Darwinist to observe the phenomena in action.

In this case, a religion that vilifies modern medicine, having a decreasing congregation, as a direct result of their belief system. Modern medicine saves lives. Period. I have yet to witness a faith healing, and I'm from the Bible Belt.
 

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You don't have to be a social Darwinist to observe the phenomena in action.

In this case, a religion that vilifies modern medicine, having a decreasing congregation, as a direct result of their belief system. Modern medicine saves lives. Period. I have yet to witness a faith healing, and I'm from the Bible Belt.
I always find it odd that somehow God made the world but he didn't help in making modern drugs?
 

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As sad as it is, they have every right to both preach this and cease treatment.
 

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Some young HIV patients in Great Britain are giving up their medicine after being told by Pentecostal pastors to rely on faith in God instead, doctors warn.

Learn more here: http://www.bbco.uk/news/uk-23729684

I could say a lot more, but I am just going to say that this sounds dangerous to me.

What do you think?




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll


Seems to me that an asafetida bag around your neck including some Little John the Conqueroo would work just as well.
 

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As sad as it is, they have every right to both preach this and cease treatment.

I don't see where any parent has the right to refuse life-saving treatment for their children when the prognosis with that treatment is good. It's not as though we're talking about the difference between 3 comfortable months without chemo and 6 wretched months with chemo.
 

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Some young HIV patients in Great Britain are giving up their medicine after being told by Pentecostal pastors to rely on faith in God instead, doctors warn.

Learn more here: http://www.bbco.uk/news/uk-23729684




I could say a lot more, but I am just going to say that this sounds dangerous to me.

What do you think?




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

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I don't see where any parent has the right to refuse life-saving treatment for their children when the prognosis with that treatment is good. It's not as though we're talking about the difference between 3 comfortable months without chemo and 6 wretched months with chemo.

I don't see where I said that. I believe a 16yo has the wherewithal for medical self-determination.
 

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Sounds like their problem and none of my business.
 

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I don't see where I said that. I believe a 16yo has the wherewithal for medical self-determination.

Well, your comment was very general, and the article included incidents where parents were making horrible decisions for very young children. From the article:

  • Some said they had dealt with parents who felt under pressure to stop giving their young children their HIV medicine - and some had actually done so
  • Others were breastfeeding mothers with HIV who refused the medicine that would stop the virus being passed onto their babies
 

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Any preacher who is preaching against science and logic should be thrown out of the church. Christianity isn't afraid of knowledge. Only knownothings are.
 

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Any preacher who is preaching against science and logic should be thrown out of the church. Christianity isn't afraid of knowledge. Only knownothings are.

Is that how it works? I thought they were promoted.
 

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Thus guy is crazy, even apes know better than to pick up snakes, hell I had a Chihuahua that wasn't the brightest creature on the planet, he did eat cigarette butts, enough to make him seriously ill but he avoided poisonous snakes.

Look at the crazy look in that dudes eyes, almost like a mad man.

These idiots are not to be consulted on health. They have less sense than a cigarette scarfing chihuahua.
 

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Well, your comment was very general, and the article included incidents where parents were making horrible decisions for very young children. From the article:

  • Some said they had dealt with parents who felt under pressure to stop giving their young children their HIV medicine - and some had actually done so
  • Others were breastfeeding mothers with HIV who refused the medicine that would stop the virus being passed onto their babies

They dance with poisonous snakes, they aren't very bright.
 

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As sad as it is, they have every right to both preach this and cease treatment.




Very sad, but true. While I defend these people's right to practice their religion, this, to me, is totally wrong and shouldn't happen.

This is a life and/or death issue.
 

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Any preacher who is preaching against science and logic should be thrown out of the church.
Christianity isn't afraid of knowledge. Only knownothings are
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Hospitals owned and operated by various Christian groups all over this planet use the latest medical technology and science to help a lot of people.

It is only the far right, Flat-Earther, evangelicals who deny and try to ignore science, as we see on these forums every day.
 

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So what I think is that this story is slanted in a way of its title to try to make the religious seem to be trying to trick gays into dying to those who see the article but only skim headlines.

These are predominantly churches preaching to African migrant communities. I think the vast majority of the HIV patients being dealt with here would not be gay.
 

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I always find it odd that somehow God made the world but he didn't help in making modern drugs?

I'm not the one vilifying modern medicine, this particular Christian sect is.
 

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They dance with poisonous snakes, they aren't very bright.

I don't care how "bright" they are. They can dance around with a mouthful of cyanide for all I care.

Just so long as they don't pressure young people to do the same, or pressure parents to force their children to follow suit.
 
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