Hitler's pre-war speeches fetch thousands

[Jean-s]

Handwritten notes for speeches given by Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler have been sold at auction in Munich. Jewish groups had expressed concerns that they might serve as encouragement to neo-Nazis.
An auction house in Munich on Friday sold notes handwritten by Adolf Hitler for speeches he gave before World War II, despite criticism from representatives of the Jewish community. The manuscripts were purchased by anonymous bidders, with all of them going for far more than their starting prices. The top price of €34,000 ($40,300) was reached by a nine-page document with notes for a speech to new military officers in Berlin in 1939, just eight months before World War II began. The Hermann Historica auction house has defended the sale in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, saying that the notes were of historical significance and should be kept in a museum or given to researchers.
https://www.dw.com/en/hitlers-pre-war-speeches-fetch-thousands-at-contentious-auction/a-55371580

In contrast to the opinion of the auctioneer that the notes in Hitler's hand are of legitimate historical interest, Brussels-based Rabbi Menachem Margolin said the sale will help legitimize Hitler enthusiasts. One has to decide who has the better argument. Both agree that such documents belong in a museum so the rabbi does accept their historical importance. Let a museum bid for such material. After all, auction houses are not really charities and the scholars ought to put their money where they see fit. Wanting to possess the documents does not make a person a Nazi. Can you imagine the awe a schoolboy having to read Caesar's Gallic Wars Book IV in the original Latin would express were his teacher to produce a page of the original manuscript. "Sir, may I touch it?" Whereupon his teacher replies, "Jean, you bring shame on our school. How can you approve of what Julius Caesar did to our great leader Vercingetorix?" With downcast eyes, the boy replies, "Sorry, Sir." ... No, I can't imagine it either. Ha!

 

[swing_voter]

WWII memorabilia is big.

I don't own any but I have a passing interest in WWII. It's an exciting part of history.

 

[truthatallcost]

Handwritten notes for speeches given by Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler have been sold at auction in Munich. Jewish groups had expressed concerns that they might serve as encouragement to neo-Nazis.
An auction house in Munich on Friday sold notes handwritten by Adolf Hitler for speeches he gave before World War II, despite criticism from representatives of the Jewish community. The manuscripts were purchased by anonymous bidders, with all of them going for far more than their starting prices. The top price of €34,000 ($40,300) was reached by a nine-page document with notes for a speech to new military officers in Berlin in 1939, just eight months before World War II began. The Hermann Historica auction house has defended the sale in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, saying that the notes were of historical significance and should be kept in a museum or given to researchers.
https://www.dw.com/en/hitlers-pre-war-speeches-fetch-thousands-at-contentious-auction/a-55371580

In contrast to the opinion of the auctioneer that the notes in Hitler's hand are of legitimate historical interest, Brussels-based Rabbi Menachem Margolin said the sale will help legitimize Hitler enthusiasts. One has to decide who has the better argument. Both agree that such documents belong in a museum so the rabbi does accept their historical importance. Let a museum bid for such material. After all, auction houses are not really charities and the scholars ought to put their money where they see fit. Wanting to possess the documents does not make a person a Nazi. Can you imagine the awe a schoolboy having to read Caesar's Gallic Wars Book IV in the original Latin would express were his teacher to produce a page of the original manuscript. "Sir, may I touch it?" Whereupon his teacher replies, "Jean, you bring shame on our school. How can you approve of what Julius Caesar did to our great leader Vercingetorix?" With downcast eyes, the boy replies, "Sorry, Sir." ... No, I can't imagine it either. Ha!

I'm quite positive the good rabbi could easily find the funds to purchase the speeches, and display them at the Auschwitz theme park, $50 per ticket. Or, he could simply destroy them once they're in his possession. Its my understanding that Alfred Rosenburg's full, unedited diary was never released to the public after one of the Nuremberg prosecutor's stole it from the evidence room, and his it in his home for 60 years.

 

[Jean-s]

I'm quite positive the good rabbi could easily find the funds to purchase the speeches, and display them at the Auschwitz theme park, $50 per ticket. Or, he could simply destroy them once they're in his possession. Its my understanding that Alfred Rosenburg's full, unedited diary was never released to the public after one of the Nuremberg prosecutor's stole it from the evidence room, and his it in his home for 60 years.

It is true that Robert Kempner, a German-Jewish lawyer who had been deprived of his citizenship and exiled by the Nazis, and had returned from the US to play a leading part in the prosecutions at Nürnberg, removed the full diary from the documentary collection assembled for the trials at the University of Göttingen and took it back to his home in America. According to the FBI it made its way into the hands of dealers and it was found intact in 2015. There is profit to be made by dealers in memorabilia and for this reason they are among those who endeavor to keep material safe rather than see it destroyed.

 

[Fledermaus]

I'm quite positive the good rabbi could easily find the funds to purchase the speeches, and display them at the Auschwitz theme park, $50 per ticket. Or, he could simply destroy them once they're in his possession. Its my understanding that Alfred Rosenburg's full, unedited diary was never released to the public after one of the Nuremberg prosecutor's stole it from the evidence room, and his it in his home for 60 years.

The "Auschwitz theme park"?

You mean the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum?

The memorial to the Jews and others slaughtered in the death camp?

As to the diary:

Online Exhibition — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

www.ushmm.org

 

[truthatallcost]

The "Auschwitz theme park"?

You mean the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum?

The memorial to the Jews and others slaughtered in the death camp?

Do memorials charge $50 a head, have ice cream vendors, and cafes? No, those would be called theme parks Fled. The Polish and German governments paid large sums of money to reconstruct the crematorium. Are visitors to the park told that they're looking at buildings built after the war had ended?

As to the diary:

Online Exhibition — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

www.ushmm.org

Something the Holocaust Museum didn't include-- Kempner had a personal grudge against the Nazis-- as a prosecutor in Weimar Germany, he'd tried to ban the Nazi party, and get Hitler arrested for treason. Given the narrative on Hitler and the Nazis, one can only wonder why Kempner wasn't sent to one of the camps, given his prominent role in Weimar era Germany, his Jewish ancestry, and his failed plot to eliminate the National Socialists in 1928.

The USHMMC has only published excerpts from Rosenburg's diary, AFAIK.

 

[Evilroddy]

One should not suppress history, even the most vile history. Better to learn the lessons of the wicked past than to forget them and possibly repeat the monstrous mistakes of the early 20th Century. If the books provenance and legal ownership are in question then reverse the sale and return it to the last rightful owner (unless that was Hitler). If its rightful owner cannot be found, then allow the sale to go through. Whether we like it or not, people like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung (Zedong) and King Leopold of Belgium are part of our collective history and their acts of monstrosity should be remembered as a cautionary tale and avoided at all costs in the future.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Tigerace117]

Do memorials charge $50 a head, have ice cream vendors, and cafes? No, those would be called theme parks Fled. The Polish and German governments paid large sums of money to reconstruct the crematorium. Are visitors to the park told that they're looking at buildings built after the war had ended?



Something the Holocaust Museum didn't include-- Kempner had a personal grudge against the Nazis-- as a prosecutor in Weimar Germany, he'd tried to ban the Nazi party, and get Hitler arrested for treason. Given the narrative on Hitler and the Nazis, one can only wonder why Kempner wasn't sent to one of the camps, given his prominent role in Weimar era Germany, his Jewish ancestry, and his failed plot to eliminate the National Socialists in 1928.

The USHMMC has only published excerpts from Rosenburg's diary, AFAIK.

Hitler was objectively a traitor to Germany who attempted to led an armed uprising and was only spared death for his treason due to a sympathetic local judicial system. Considering that Kempner left Germany in 1935 it would have been rather hard for your heroes to send him to the camps.

 

[truthatallcost]

Hitler was objectively a traitor to Germany who attempted to led an armed uprising and was only spared death for his treason due to a sympathetic local judicial system. Considering that Kempner left Germany in 1935 it would have been rather hard for your heroes to send him to the camps.

If Hitler found sympathy amongst actual ethnic Germans, it was probably because of the series of communist attempts at seizing the government that lasted from 1918-1923. Those failed revolution attempts cost many lives, and facilitated the state of constant chaos that existed in German cities for the first 5 years of the Weimar government. The prospect of Germany becoming another satellite nation of the USSR helped to boost membership in the NSDAP, as well as other nationist parties of the era.

Kempner wasn't targeted for retribution at all. His loss of employment as a civil servant, and revoked citizenship applied to many jews. Jews who'd served in WW1 in combat roles were exempt for a time. Other jews stayed employed in government programs for several years after the changes to the law, but weren't allowed to serve in supervisory roles.

 

[Tigerace117]

If Hitler found sympathy amongst actual ethnic Germans, it was probably because of the series of communist attempts at seizing the government that lasted from 1918-1923. Those failed revolution attempts cost many lives, and facilitated the state of constant chaos that existed in German cities for the first 5 years of the Weimar government. The prospect of Germany becoming another satellite nation of the USSR helped to boost membership in the NSDAP, as well as other nationist parties of the era.

Kempner wasn't targeted for retribution at all. His loss of employment as a civil servant, and revoked citizenship applied to many jews. Jews who'd served in WW1 in combat roles were exempt for a time. Other jews stayed employed in government programs for several years after the changes to the law, but weren't allowed to serve in supervisory roles.

Hitler found “sympathy“ because he appealed to the fairy tale Germans had in their minds that they were about to win the war and got “stabbed in the back”. This fairy tale was actively encouraged by Erich Ludendorff and other German officers who wished to deflect the blame from their own failings in commanding the German war effort— Ludendorff was basically running Germany as a dictator alongside Hindenburg for a substantial chunk of the war. From beginning to end it was a cynical attempt to try and find a scapegoat, and the Jews, who‘d always been a convenient target in Germany, were the most readily available ones.

Crying about “many lives being lost” is meaningless. Hitler’s associates had just spent four years spending German lives like a drunken sailor at a bar....for nothing. If it was actually about “lives being lost” Hitler and company would have been kindly asked to go jump in the North Sea.

Fears of reds under the bed did help many brutal dictators take power, only promptly wreck their countries. Which, of course, hammers home the message of why it’s so important not to buy into the far right’s hysterics.

Again, Kempner got out in 1935. He physically couldn’t be “targeted for retribution“. And yes, the Nazis were schizophrenic in how they applied their policies of persecution, but they ultimately all started working towards the Fuhrer’s goal.....by slaughtering millions upon millions of innocent people.

 

[Fledermaus]

Do memorials charge $50 a head, have ice cream vendors, and cafes? No, those would be called theme parks Fled.

Wow... Ice Cream vendors and cafes make something a theme park.

And $50?
• Admission to the grounds of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial is free of charge. The entry cards should be reserved on visit.auschwitz.org. For better understanding the history of Auschwitz we suggest a visit with an guide-educator
• The fees are charged for engaging a guide-educator. Visitors in groups are required to engage an Auschwitz Memorial guide.

The Polish and German governments paid large sums of money to reconstruct the crematorium. Are visitors to the park told that they're looking at buildings built after the war had ended?

This garners a "SO WHAT?"

Something the Holocaust Museum didn't include-- Kempner had a personal grudge against the Nazis-- as a prosecutor in Weimar Germany, he'd tried to ban the Nazi party, and get Hitler arrested for treason. Given the narrative on Hitler and the Nazis, one can only wonder why Kempner wasn't sent to one of the camps, given his prominent role in Weimar era Germany, his Jewish ancestry, and his failed plot to eliminate the National Socialists in 1928.

And another "SO WHAT?"

The USHMMC has only published excerpts from Rosenburg's diary, AFAIK.

And a final "SO WHAT?"

 

[Jean-s]

The items in the auction, dating back to before the outbreak of the Second World War, were for speeches to Nazi organisations and contributors, and referred to Germany's war preparations and the "Jewish problem". All were bought by anonymous bidders.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/23...eech-notes-sold-at-auction-above-asking-price

One wonders whether any of the notes in Hitler's own hand will ever see the light of day again. It doesn't matter much as Hitler's oratory was designed to strike an immediate appeal to his listeners and their impact is lost without his presence at an audience. His skill at public speaking and his ability to inspire people is unquestioned and he did not rely on notes for his delivery although we sometimes see him refer to his notes on occasion. As an artifact, his notes have historical value and it would be interesting to see if he had made corrections to ascertain how he was thinking. In the end, speeches worked at a particular time and before a specific audience. People who were present testify to a lasting impression for the rest of their lives. That cannot be recaptured on notes.

 

[truthatallcost]

Hitler found “sympathy“ because he appealed to the fairy tale Germans had in their minds that they were about to win the war and got “stabbed in the back”. This fairy tale was actively encouraged by Erich Ludendorff and other German officers who wished to deflect the blame from their own failings in commanding the German war effort— Ludendorff was basically running Germany as a dictator alongside Hindenburg for a substantial chunk of the war. From beginning to end it was a cynical attempt to try and find a scapegoat, and the Jews, who‘d always been a convenient target in Germany, were the most readily available ones.

Crying about “many lives being lost” is meaningless. Hitler’s associates had just spent four years spending German lives like a drunken sailor at a bar....for nothing. If it was actually about “lives being lost” Hitler and company would have been kindly asked to go jump in the North Sea.

Fears of reds under the bed did help many brutal dictators take power, only promptly wreck their countries. Which, of course, hammers home the message of why it’s so important not to buy into the far right’s hysterics.

Again, Kempner got out in 1935. He physically couldn’t be “targeted for retribution“. And yes, the Nazis were schizophrenic in how they applied their policies of persecution, but they ultimately all started working towards the Fuhrer’s goal.....by slaughtering millions upon millions of innocent people.

You recite only the most basic narratives that suffice for an American understanding of the era of history we're talking about here. There were constant scandals involving foreign influence during Weimar. The Weimar government chose to publicly recognize the Communist government in Russia as legitimate in 1921, as communists continued to mount revolution attempts against Germany. In 1922, Jewish Foreign Minister Rathenau signed Germany into direct partnership with the Communist Russian government, in a trade deal that included secret military agreements that were suspected by the opposition parties, but were not made public due to the fear that ethnic Germans would be 'schizophrenic' as you called it, or as a normal person would say, they'd have serious cause for alarm.
This was taken as a slap in the face to the German men who'd fought against Russia in WW1, and were still fighting the red menace on the streets of Berlin and dozens of other German cities. Rathenau was assassinated in June, 1922, only 10 months after the assassination of Reich Finance Minister Mattias Erzberger, which demonstrates the lack of judgment on Rathenau's behalf.
These events helped to shape Adolph Hitler's belief that Germany was being sabotaged from within, and that the only solution was to regain full autonomy of the country, in order to avoid becoming a vassal state.

 

[truthatallcost]

Wow... Ice Cream vendors and cafes make something a theme park.

And $50?
• Admission to the grounds of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial is free of charge. The entry cards should be reserved on visit.auschwitz.org. For better understanding the history of Auschwitz we suggest a visit with an guide-educator
• The fees are charged for engaging a guide-educator. Visitors in groups are required to engage an Auschwitz Memorial guide.



This garners a "SO WHAT?"



And another "SO WHAT?"



And a final "SO WHAT?"

According to online reviews, nearly all visitors are forced to engage in guided tours. You can only tour the theme park solo from 4-6, right before they close for the day to count the receipts. The Auschwitz snack bar is only rated 2 stars, due to the exorbitant prices complained about by patrons, and poor selection of frozen looking food items like chicken tendies and frozen lamp-warmed pizza. The ice cream stall seems to get better ratings.

 

[Fledermaus]

According to online reviews, nearly all visitors are forced to engage in guided tours. You can only tour the theme park solo from 4-6, right before they close for the day to count the receipts. The Auschwitz snack bar is only rated 2 stars, due to the exorbitant prices complained about by patrons, and poor selection of frozen looking food items like chicken tendies and frozen lamp-warmed pizza. The ice cream stall seems to get better ratings.

• Admission to the grounds of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial is free of charge.

Fact

• The fees are charged for engaging a guide-educator. Visitors in groups are required to engage an Auschwitz Memorial guide.

Don't go as a group and its free.

The rest of your prattle is just more BS trying to discredit a site dedicated to the inhuman Nazis and their wholesale slaughter of innocents....

 

[truthatallcost]

• Admission to the grounds of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial is free of charge.

Fact

• The fees are charged for engaging a guide-educator. Visitors in groups are required to engage an Auschwitz Memorial guide.

Don't go as a group and its free.

The rest of your prattle is just more BS trying to discredit a site dedicated to the inhuman Nazis and their wholesale slaughter of innocents....

You're such a dogged partisan on this issue, that you just admitted Auschwitz lies when they say the park is free, but you're uninterested in why that is. How am I supposed to have reverence for a death camp that's been so commercialized, it has an onsite restaurant that charges €15 for 3 frozen chicken tenders? That's over $17. People are still starving at Auschwitz Fleder, because the director of the theme park is fleecing them into forgoing lunch.

 

[Fledermaus]

You're such a dogged partisan on this issue, that you just admitted Auschwitz lies when they say the park is free, but you're uninterested in why that is. How am I supposed to have reverence for a death camp that's been so commercialized, it has an onsite restaurant that charges €15 for 3 frozen chicken tenders? That's over $17. People are still starving at Auschwitz Fleder, because the director of the theme park is fleecing them into forgoing lunch.

The park is free.... You can walk in any time it is open for free.

And now you are so desperate you go at the Restaurant?

Tell us... Is the restaurant INSIDE the museum?
























Hint : Once you go through security in Auschwitz itself there is no place to buy food or drink.

 

[truthatallcost]

The park is free.... You can walk in any time it is open for free.

This is false. If you enter the park in a group (who the hell goes to Auschwitz alone?) you must pay for a guided tour. The tour groups are divided by language; each guide will speak a different language, and you choose your group based on the language you prefer. One reviewer wrote that her party arrived and were promptly told they needed to pay for a group tour. After paying, they were told the only guide available was for the Spanish guided tour, and her party were shylocked into paying for a tour in a language none of them understand.

And now you are so desperate you go at the Restaurant?

Auschwitz extorted $12 million from Germany to help with renovations and build a sleeker death camp. They owe it to Germany I believe to offer a finer selection of food for guests than microwaved chicken and heat lamp pizza slices. This is the consumer age Fleder, and Auschwitz is a prime example of turning a genocide into a billion dollar industry.

Tell us... Is the restaurant INSIDE the museum?

Its located on the lot of land that houses the Auschwitz park. It's literally inside one of the former Nazi buildings Fled.

Hint : Once you go through security in Auschwitz itself there is no place to buy food or drink.

The restaurant is strategically placed so that it is in between the parking lot and the front entrance, and all visitors will pass it. Its connected to the grouping of buildings that comprise Auschwitz Museum and Memorial.

 

[Fledermaus]

This is false. If you enter the park in a group (who the hell goes to Auschwitz alone?) you must pay for a guided tour. The tour groups are divided by language; each guide will speak a different language, and you choose your group based on the language you prefer. One reviewer wrote that her party arrived and were promptly told they needed to pay for a group tour. After paying, they were told the only guide available was for the Spanish guided tour, and her party were shylocked into paying for a tour in a language none of them understand.

The park is free.... You can walk in any time it is open for free.

Auschwitz extorted $12 million from Germany to help with renovations and build a sleeker death camp.

Citation for this "extortion"?

They owe it to Germany I believe to offer a finer selection of food for guests than microwaved chicken and heat lamp pizza slices. This is the consumer age Fleder, and Auschwitz is a prime example of turning a genocide into a billion dollar industry.

There is no restaurant in the grounds. Please continue to ignore facts and look stupid. I won't stop you.

Its located on the lot of land that houses the Auschwitz park. It's literally inside one of the former Nazi buildings Fled.

So, no it is not inside nor is it part of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum.

The restaurant is strategically placed so that it is in between the parking lot and the front entrance, and all visitors will pass it. Its connected to the grouping of buildings that comprise Auschwitz Museum and Memorial.

In other words it is not inside nor is it part of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum.

 

[Tigerace117]

You recite only the most basic narratives that suffice for an American understanding of the era of history we're talking about here. There were constant scandals involving foreign influence during Weimar. The Weimar government chose to publicly recognize the Communist government in Russia as legitimate in 1921, as communists continued to mount revolution attempts against Germany. In 1922, Jewish Foreign Minister Rathenau signed Germany into direct partnership with the Communist Russian government, in a trade deal that included secret military agreements that were suspected by the opposition parties, but were not made public due to the fear that ethnic Germans would be 'schizophrenic' as you called it, or as a normal person would say, they'd have serious cause for alarm.
This was taken as a slap in the face to the German men who'd fought against Russia in WW1, and were still fighting the red menace on the streets of Berlin and dozens of other German cities. Rathenau was assassinated in June, 1922, only 10 months after the assassination of Reich Finance Minister Mattias Erzberger, which demonstrates the lack of judgment on Rathenau's behalf.
These events helped to shape Adolph Hitler's belief that Germany was being sabotaged from within, and that the only solution was to regain full autonomy of the country, in order to avoid becoming a vassal state.

Whining about the Treaty of Rapallo—which was explicitly designed to enable Germany to gain resources in order to begin rearmament and secret bases in order to start the training process from— is rather laughable given Germany’s later efforts to continue to obtain such resources. Germany was as diplomatically isolated as the USSR in this period, and sought to take advantage of one of the few nations who wouldn’t shy from enabling their rearmament.

Considering that Rathenau A) was actively assisting the German rearmament program— the “secret military deals” were to enable German armaments companies to begin manufacturing equipment and utilizing Soviet facilities for training troops and B) actively rejected the Soviet methods and governing system, the death squad who murdered him actually set back German rearmament. But that was true to form for German ultranationalists(and ultranationalists today, for that matter)—dumb as a box of rocks and totally clueless about the real world.

Which was around the same time most of the rest of the world formally recognized the USSR as well. France, the United Kingdom, Poland, Greece and Italy were all notable countries which recognized the USSR in 1924. Japan did so in 1925. The Soviet Union had won the Russian Civil War, and pretending otherwise wasn’t going to change the facts. Germans had fought against the Tsarists in the First World War, so the idea that it was a “slap in the face” is pretty damn pathetic. But he did show a lack of judgement in not ensuring every last member of Germany's infestation of far right nutjobs was stamped out before taking steps to benefit the country.

The deluded lie that there was an “internal conspiracy” to turn Germany into a “vassal state” was popular with Germans......but it was a deluded lie, as I stated.

 

[Nickyjo]

Do memorials charge $50 a head, have ice cream vendors, and cafes? No, those would be called theme parks Fled. The Polish and German governments paid large sums of money to reconstruct the crematorium. Are visitors to the park told that they're looking at buildings built after the war had ended?



Something the Holocaust Museum didn't include-- Kempner had a personal grudge against the Nazis-- as a prosecutor in Weimar Germany, he'd tried to ban the Nazi party, and get Hitler arrested for treason. Given the narrative on Hitler and the Nazis, one can only wonder why Kempner wasn't sent to one of the camps, given his prominent role in Weimar era Germany, his Jewish ancestry, and his failed plot to eliminate the National Socialists in 1928.

The USHMMC has only published excerpts from Rosenburg's diary, AFAIK.

Imagine, someone had a personal grudge against the Nazis. Was it something they said? Check out the musical “Springtime for Hitler.”

 

[Nickyjo]

This is false. If you enter the park in a group (who the hell goes to Auschwitz alone?) you must pay for a guided tour. The tour groups are divided by language; each guide will speak a different language, and you choose your group based on the language you prefer. One reviewer wrote that her party arrived and were promptly told they needed to pay for a group tour. After paying, they were told the only guide available was for the Spanish guided tour, and her party were shylocked into paying for a tour in a language none of them understand.



Auschwitz extorted $12 million from Germany to help with renovations and build a sleeker death camp. They owe it to Germany I believe to offer a finer selection of food for guests than microwaved chicken and heat lamp pizza slices. This is the consumer age Fleder, and Auschwitz is a prime example of turning a genocide into a billion dollar industry.



Its located on the lot of land that houses the Auschwitz park. It's literally inside one of the former Nazi buildings Fled.

























The restaurant is strategically placed so that it is in between the parking lot and the front entrance, and all visitors will pass it. Its connected to the grouping of buildings that comprise Auschwitz Museum and Memorial.

“Shylocked” into paying for a tour? Nothing suspicious in that comment. What’s the fee, a pound of flesh?

 

[truthatallcost]

Whining about the Treaty of Rapallo—which was explicitly designed to enable Germany to gain resources in order to begin rearmament and secret bases in order to start the training process from— is rather laughable given Germany’s later efforts to continue to obtain such resources. Germany was as diplomatically isolated as the USSR in this period, and sought to take advantage of one of the few nations who wouldn’t shy from enabling their rearmament.

Considering that Rathenau A) was actively assisting the German rearmament program— the “secret military deals” were to enable German armaments companies to begin manufacturing equipment and utilizing Soviet facilities for training troops and B) actively rejected the Soviet methods and governing system, the death squad who murdered him actually set back German rearmament. But that was true to form for German ultranationalists(and ultranationalists today, for that matter)—dumb as a box of rocks and totally clueless about the real world.

Which was around the same time most of the rest of the world formally recognized the USSR as well. France, the United Kingdom, Poland, Greece and Italy were all notable countries which recognized the USSR in 1924. Japan did so in 1925. The Soviet Union had won the Russian Civil War, and pretending otherwise wasn’t going to change the facts. Germans had fought against the Tsarists in the First World War, so the idea that it was a “slap in the face” is pretty damn pathetic. But he did show a lack of judgement in not ensuring every last member of Germany's infestation of far right nutjobs was stamped out before taking steps to benefit the country.

The deluded lie that there was an “internal conspiracy” to turn Germany into a “vassal state” was popular with Germans......but it was a deluded lie, as I stated.

The point was that the Stabbed in the Back Myth wasn't the sole driving factor behind NSDAP membership. I think we both admit that now.
If you have any concerns about the validity of vassal states Tiger, just ask why all 435 members of congress, 50 US senators, and the President of the United States of America have to ask the Israeli lobby's permission before acting on anything. And yes, before you crap your pants and issue a very stale reply, former House reps have stated that any new bill that comes before congress is given to lobbyists representing Israeli interests, in order to decide how each member votes on said bill. See Cynthia McKinney, D- Georgia.

 

[truthatallcost]

“Shylocked” into paying for a tour? Nothing suspicious in that comment. What’s the fee, a pound of flesh?

Shakespeare shouldn't be censored, and neither should his rich contributions to the English language and arts. If some people are offended by the term 'shylock', then perhaps they're projecting their insecurity over the validity of the term. I don't recommend the $17 Auschwitz chicken nuggets either.

 

[truthatallcost]

Imagine, someone had a personal grudge against the Nazis. Was it something they said? Check out the musical “Springtime for Hitler.”

Imagine someone having a personal grudge against the Jews. Check out the German-born Jew Jacob Schiff, who migrated to America, and then helped stab Germany in the back by funding Bolshevism's war against traditionalism in Europe.
It really chaps some people's ass that European history didn't begin in 1933.