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History of US tax-rates since their inception

but even renters benefit from the deduction if the landlord can take it. Means rent can be lower. rental markets are very competitive, and even $50 lower per month is a big deal.


If you think all that is saved by an owner of an apartment bldg because of mtg interest deduction is passed on to the renter, you've got another think coming.
 
Note that per-capita US healthcare costs are typically twice as much as in Europe. Which is mostly due to the fact that medical-salaries are much, much higher in the US than in Europe.

And, whyzzat? Because healthcare is privatized in the US and government funded in Europe ...

You can't declare something to be cheaper simply because it is the result of subsidy or price controls. That would be like saying Venezuelans were only paying $.10 per gallon for gas. Yes, that was the price at the pump not the actual cost to society. You can't just declare something to be cheaper and have it actually cost society less.
 
WHO'S WRONG, WRONG, WRONG?

You can't declare something to be cheaper simply because it is the result of subsidy or price controls. That would be like saying Venezuelans were only paying $.10 per gallon for gas. Yes, that was the price at the pump not the actual cost to society. You can't just declare something to be cheaper and have it actually cost society less.

I can and I did. National Health Care in Europe is less that half the per-capita cost in the US! From the Medical Express here: Report: why health care costs are lower in Europe than US

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The researchers note that in 2013, the average person living in the United States spent $1,074 on out-of-pocket health care costs. Residents in France and the Netherlands spent less than 25 percent of this amount ($277 and $270, respectively). According to the report, factors accounting for this difference include the cost of medical staff, with the average wage much higher in the United States than Europe; the cost of researching, developing, and purchasing medical technology, with European health systems adopting technologies more quickly because of faster approval regulatory paths; and the price of pharmaceuticals, which are much higher in the United States.

"A national system that negotiates with medical providers, including both independent providers such as medical specialists or institutions such as hospitals or pharmaceutical companies, can have, for the same services or products, a strong advantage for the population in terms of quality and prices," according to the report. "This is the main reason behind the huge difference in medical costs."

The above cost-comparison info is dated by 8-years, but in that almost-a-decade nothing whatsoever has happened to change matters - except that US-costs have increased even further than the EU!

Now you refute the above factual evidence. Do show me how wrong-wrong-wrong it is ....
 
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WHO'S WRONG, WRONG, WRONG?



I can and I did. National Health Care in Europe is less that half the per-capita cost in the US! From the Medical Express here: Report: why health care costs are lower in Europe than US

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The above cost-comparison info is dated by 8-years, but in that almost-a-decade nothing whatsoever has happened to change matters - except that US-costs have increased even further than the EU!

Now you refute the above factual evidence. Do show me how wrong-wrong-wrong it is ....

No, I'm not wrong, its a government contrived price. You cannot avoid the costs by simply declaring the price. Again I will make the example of the Venezuelans buying subsidized gas for $.10 or for that matter Americans paying slightly less at the pump than they would because of subsidized corn and ethanol. It isn't actually cheaper because the government waves a magic wand. Government price controls are in no way, shape or form an accurate measure of the actual cost of something.
 
The Graphs shows that the low tax rate, led right into the Great Depression..... and the Chart also shows, that under Ronald Reagan, things in the U.S. has seen the nation struggling with debt, crazy interest rates and Outsourcing.
American people don't understand "Taxes"... and many blind themselves to what "taxes invest in".... public and private, and how many business rely on grants, contracts and other program benefits that are funded by tax dollars.

The chart shows that between 1952 and 1963 - America was prospering with stability and progressive steps. Only After Civil Rights Act Passed, did the Tax Rate Start to drop, because so many people, did not want to see any tax supported programs to help Minorities and Women, the easiest way to slow down the progress of minorities and women, is to cut into the Federal Tax Resources by Reducing the Taxes Collected.

What we see as a result is "$27,400,000,000,000 DEBT and $155,060,000,000,000 UNFUNDED OBLIGATION - this won't go down without Taxes Going Up... and when Taxes goes up and Tax money is invested to take care of unfunded obligation, doing so will create jobs, and industry to address those unfunded obligation and that will increase employment, as well as re-start business growth. To do so will also, slow the growth of the Debt level, and once in place will began to reduce the Debt... That means American will earn more, be able to save more and in doing so will build a more stable economy for All America.

We have massive Rebuilding that is NECESSARY, and EVERY City in The Nation has high volumes of "Industrial and Business Blight" that must be torn down, removed and the site cleaned up, to 'Re-claim" that land-space. Government Investment has always been the platform that has spurred Business Growth, most people have no idea that the company they work for is more than likely in constant pursuit of government grants, government contracts and other government provided provisions.
With 320,000,000 people, there is no going backwards, because life progresses forward, and in this age of information and technology, it is going to take massive government investments to meet the 21st Century. Homes that were built in the 1930's through the 1970's will require mass rebuilding of some and massive modification of others. Even homes built in the 1990's is now 30 yrs Old.... and many need maintenance and some need modification and some of the lower quality ones need to be torn down and rebuilt. This is massive for jobs, because the attributes and contents of those home products must be manufactured.

This same paradigm holds true for Business of Many Many Types...

We have every form of Infrastructure that must be rebuilt, upgrades and some completely replaced with 21st Century Modeling. Many cities and towns have water systems and sewer system that are more than 80- 90 -100 yrs old - Electrical Grid has to be improved, and in many areas vaults, channels and conduit must be laid to bury electrical cables. 'all this is massive volume of jobs" and some of those jobs won't stop once this is built, because everything built has to be maintained.

Solar and Battery Technology is not going to vanish, it will improve, there is no longer the need for a single source of energy via electric wires on wooden poles, that get knocked down in weather conditions.

Americans need to learn what "Taxes Actually Achieve"... and stop bitching about paying taxes. countries with bad tax policy of low taxes are what we call "3rd World, and 4th World - because without the taxes and the government investing those taxes in the nation, they don't get quality roads, they don't get quality infrastructure of any significance, (except in the wealthy areas), and business does not grow to pay a living wage, which means the taxes they do collect is lower in amount that makes it difficult for them to dig their way out of the hole and get on level ground, so they can built their systems across the landscape.

Ignorance, taking things for granted and greed is always within "the type people" who cry and whine about paying taxes, and they continue to be those who cheat society and nation. The well to do and wealthy, whine the most, because they can no longer just direct working peoples tax money to build up their communities only; and they resent their tax money helping build up all communities, but they had no problem leeching off the average tax payer to build their areas to high standards.
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The chart shows that between 1952 and 1963 - America was prospering with stability and progressive steps.

From 1949-1960 there were 4 recessions and America was mired in a conflict in Korea and the start of another conflict in Vietnam. The chart shows the absolute top federal income tax rate and doesn't reflect that the AGGREGATE tax rate was far lower than today.

You want to make a compromise? 1950s taxation in exchange for 1950s spending and of course we don't need the defense budget we need then so all that can go to whatever pet welfare project you want too.

What people forget about that 90% rate is that it came with a book of exemptions where few if anybody paid it.

Social Security payroll taxes were far, far lower. My old state, NJ hadn't even THOUGHT of imposing an income tax yet.
 
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