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Hillary Refuses to Debate Bernie Sanders

She's won, she will be the democrat's nominee. Absolutely no reason for her to debate Bernie at this point.

There is no question that she is horrible. But that doesn't mean she would want to waste time on a pointless BS debate. If he wants to cede the nomination in the studio, she would probably play ball. But why fight about socialism. The topic is old hat, worn out and won't bring her a single vote.

That may be so, but the elections aren't over yet. We all know she greased enough super delegates before the race even started, and Bernie, no matter how popular he is, never stood a chance against this evil woman.
If she wants to be President, she must expose herself to the tough questions she will have to face once in office...Fox News and Sanders are just some of the players. If such scrutiny is beneath her now, I can only imagine her transparency and openness should she ever be crowned. I can see it now. Roped journalist are only allowed to ask questions she has Emailed them, taste testers...
 
That may be so, but the elections aren't over yet. We all know she greased enough super delegates before the race even started, and Bernie, no matter how popular he is, never stood a chance against this evil woman.
If she wants to be President, she must expose herself to the tough questions she will have to face once in office...Fox News and Sanders are just some of the players. If such scrutiny is beneath her now, I can only imagine her transparency and openness should she ever be crowned. I can see it now. Roped journalist are only allowed to ask questions she has Emailed them, taste testers...

There will be several presidential debates, some of them will probably even be on Fox news.

The is a huge benefit to debating TRUMP....nothing to be gained by debating Sanders anymore. All that would do is give him a national stage where he can call out how "corrupt" Hillary is and help cause an even further rift in the Sanders/Clinton chasm.
 
Notice how debates only happen when Hillary says soo... Notice how Bernie is always the one to be up for debates....... Although they both have to say they are willing to debate for it to happen, notice how Hillary is always the one who is hesitant...
 
Notice how debates only happen when Hillary says soo... Notice how Bernie is always the one to be up for debates....... Although they both have to say they are willing to debate for it to happen, notice how Hillary is always the one who is hesitant...

Exactly. Too calculated for my taste
 
So Hillary refuses to to what she claimed is the obligation of a presidential candidate... Why are her supporters so forgiving of her broad hypocrisy? It seems that she has changed a great deal and I can't attribute it to personal growth. Failure to achieve the nomination is one thing, and you can learn from your mistakes. A polar reversal on hot button issues and debates is confusing to voters in the general election... so it seems like the nomination of HRC is just a matter of convenience to the establishment and nothing more. Is the so called "Hillary for Victory" slogan based on a fight, or a shoo-in?

I think we deserve a little more conviction from our politicians.
 
Notice how debates only happen when Hillary says soo... Notice how Bernie is always the one to be up for debates....... Although they both have to say they are willing to debate for it to happen, notice how Hillary is always the one who is hesitant...

So Hillary refuses to to what she claimed is the obligation of a presidential candidate... Why are her supporters so forgiving of her broad hypocrisy? It seems that she has changed a great deal and I can't attribute it to personal growth. Failure to achieve the nomination is one thing, and you can learn from your mistakes. A polar reversal on hot button issues and debates is confusing to voters in the general election... so it seems like the nomination of HRC is just a matter of convenience to the establishment and nothing more. Is the so called "Hillary for Victory" slogan based on a fight, or a shoo-in?

I think we deserve a little more conviction from our politicians.

Of course Bernie is up for a debate and Hillary is not. The race is over. Bernie is still looking for a hail mary, but its not going to happen.

There is no hypocrisy. There is no more reason for Hillary to debate Bernie than there is for her to debate me.
 
Bernie is not looking for a Hail Mary. Bernie wants to run the campaign until the convention. Whether you like it or not, he is steering Democrats toward the convention. HRC is the one who needs a Hail Mary, because marginal leads won't help in swing states where half of your opponents during primary season would vote for your opponent in the general election.
 
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I think we deserve a little more conviction from our politicians.

With Hillary under federal investigation and the Donald under investigation from the State of New York, maybe we will get a little more conviction OF our politicians.

Pathetic offering this year, folks. Us electorate are to blame.
 
Bernie is not looking for a Hail Mary. Bernie wants to run the campaign until the convention. Whether you like it or not, he is steering Democrats toward the convention. HRC is the one who needs a Hail Mary, because marginal leads won't help in swing states where half of your opponents during primary season would vote for your opponent in the general election.

Its over....

BTW, the current polls don't mean much of anything. The Dems have not consolidated (half the opponents are not going to vote for Trump ... see also Never Trump movement for shallow bravado) and Bernie was never more than an unvetted hypothetical to Trump.
 
Its over....

BTW, the current polls don't mean much of anything. The Dems have not consolidated (half the opponents are not going to vote for Trump ... see also Never Trump movement for shallow bravado) and Bernie was never more than an unvetted hypothetical to Trump.

Oh, current polls don't mean much of anything? The Dem's have not consolidated?

What do you think about primaries?

Trump, Clinton win Washington state primary | The Seattle Times
 
probably three reasons that she said no :

1. the debates, all of them, were something of a formality from the beginning. she was the nominee before she even declared, as far as the DNC was concerned.

2. Bernie is not going to win the nomination, unfortunately. the debate won't change that. he got a whole hell of a lot closer than i thought he would, though, and i got to help with my vote.

3. the debate was to be hosted by fox "news," which is RNC infotainment. the entire debate would have been a Benghazi CT convention, with the network's goal being to weaken her in the general election. also, no one in fox's audience is going to vote for her anyway. no upside in participating in a clown show like that.

that being said, she's still an unappealing legacy candidate, Democrats are inept for not learning from Republicans, who made the same mistake in 2008 and 2012. nominate an exciting candidate, and you'll often win. nominate a "vote for me even if you don't like me, or else" candidate produces poorer results. the nomination of Trump is her best path to victory in the general, and if she wins, it will be because the absolute unfitness of her opponent. of course, Trump is also exciting to his supporters, so that's a double edged sword.
 
probably three reasons that she said no :

1. the debates, all of them, were something of a formality from the beginning. she was the nominee before she even declared, as far as the DNC was concerned.

2. Bernie is not going to win the nomination, unfortunately. the debate won't change that. he got a whole hell of a lot closer than i thought he would, though, and i got to help with my vote.

3. the debate was to be hosted by fox "news," which is RNC infotainment. the entire debate would have been a Benghazi CT convention, with the network's goal being to weaken her in the general election. also, no one in fox's audience is going to vote for her anyway. no upside in participating in a clown show like that.

that being said, she's still an unappealing legacy candidate, Democrats are inept for not learning from Republicans, who made the same mistake in 2008 and 2012. nominate an exciting candidate, and you'll often win. nominate a "vote for me even if you don't like me, or else" candidate produces poorer results. the nomination of Trump is her best path to victory in the general, and if she wins, it will be because the absolute unfitness of her opponent. of course, Trump is also exciting to his supporters, so that's a double edged sword.

I agree with the last paragraph. Democrats should see how Trump is getting unanimous support to the point where Rush Limbaugh feels an endorsement is pointless.

Hey, for some people it all comes down to Brooklyn, like it or not. If you don't like Brooklyn, don't vote for the nominee who was born and raised there.
 
The big target state is California, "Land of Fruits and Nuts". Bernie may or may not win, but Hillary is not all that popular outside California's DNC dominated news media. Reading them, you'd think she is a nun. IMO, the Bern can make a big enough impact to wipe that smile off her face even if she wins.

However, California is a closed primary, IOW, I as an independent cannot vote in either, but the independents are 24% of the electorate. But there is a secret:

Warning: Top Secret, not to be divulged to "declined to state" (aka independent) voters! The truth is, I can vote for Bernie by requesting a democrat ballot at the polling place! This is one of the best kept secrets since the Manhattan project! This information is not getting the publicity it deserves.

Actually, it's not a secret at all.

According to The Green Papers: United States Presidential Election 2016 , CA is a modified primary for DEMs, not a closed primary as you stated. Both Independents and Democrats are allowed to vote in the DEM primary.

Scroll down to Democratic Presidential Nominating Process and tap on CA for the details. Sent from my iPhone .
 
Oh, current polls don't mean much of anything? The Dem's have not consolidated?

What do you think about primaries?

Trump, Clinton win Washington state primary | The Seattle Times

No, the Dems have not yet coalesced...and they will. Because that has not happened, Hillary's numbers are depressed. Case in point, Trump received a big boast vis a vis Hillary when that happened in the Republican process. Just as we had all of these Never Trump people tell us they would never vote for Trump, that movement essentially died quickly, just as the Never Hillary movement will die quickly, once people consider the Trump alternative. When that happens, Hillary's numbers will add 5-6 points.

I am not certain what point you are trying to make with the Seattle Times article. Not much to think about the primaries at this point. Its a little like analyzing the 4th quarter of a football game with the game was essentially over in the 3rd quarter.
 
I agree with the last paragraph. Democrats should see how Trump is getting unanimous support to the point where Rush Limbaugh feels an endorsement is pointless.

Hey, for some people it all comes down to Brooklyn, like it or not. If you don't like Brooklyn, don't vote for the nominee who was born and raised there.

Brooklyn didn't factor into my choice much. as for Limbaugh, he generally likes the establishment candidates like Bush. i remember one of his impassioned broadcasts in 2000 in which he talked about how he got to meet Bush, and discovered that yes, Virginia, he is a true conservative. his non-endorsement endorsement of Trump is just him hedging his bets, as Trump could turn out to be a complete disaster, and Rush already has enough problems since he ****ed up by calling that college girl a slut and lost a **** ton of legitimate advertisers. however, Rush isn't stupid, and he knows that his audience largely supports the idiot. therefore, he falls back to the "Trump doesn't need my endorsement" dodge. if Trump wins and looks even semi-competent, though, Limbaugh will be carrying water for him in short order because of the R next to his name on the ballot. or maybe he'll jump onboard right after Paul Ryan does.
 
Actually, it's not a secret at all.

According to The Green Papers: United States Presidential Election 2016 , CA is a modified primary for DEMs, not a closed primary as you stated. Both Independents and Democrats are allowed to vote in the DEM primary.

Scroll down to Democratic Presidential Nominating Process and tap on CA for the details. Sent from my iPhone .
Thanks for making my point that the media isn't going out of its way to inform the public.
 
Thanks for making my point that the media isn't going out of its way to inform the public.

I can't remember the last time the media considered that it's job?

How old are you? I'm 36 and for almost my entire life the media has been nothing but entertainment and "it bleeds, it leads" type stories. Never have I considered 'informing the public' to be the media's purpose.
 
Wait, I thought we were getting passed all this anti-Hillary stuff for the greater good of #NeverTrump??

No, I still agree that Bernie needs to drop out so they can run together and unite the party.
This petty rivalry has to stop, it will divide the party and guarantee a Trump victory.

Obviously my biased opinion is that Hillary's no good and Bernie should be nominee, but continuing down that line of thought will guarantee a Trump victory via further dividing the party. Both sides need to set aside their pro- or anti-Democrat biases and focus on the real threat, which is the GOP Nominee and Ethno-Nationalist authoritarian Donald Trump.

So yes, you are correct. The anti-Hillary and anti-Bernie stuff has to stop for the greater good of #NeverTrump. Absolutely and 100-****in-%.
 
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No, I still agree they should run together to guarantee a Trump defeat. Bernie needs to drop out so they can get the ball rolling. This petty rivalry has to stop. That is my unbiased opinion.

Obviously my biased opinion is that Hillary's a bitch and Bernie should be nominee, but continuing down that line of thought will guarantee a Trump victory via further dividing the party. Both sides need to set aside their pro- or anti-Democrat biases and focus on the real threat, which is the GOP Nominee and Ethno-Nationalist authoritarian Donald Trump.

We agree on that then (minus the "Hillary's a bitch" part). Just confused at the mixed messages.


Regarding the debate. I personally don't have much of a problem with it. I think it'd be interesting to see what approach each other takes and could give some great insight to Clinton prior to their first inter-party debate. That being said, there are other opinions on the matter from people who have different perspectives than my own (a 36 year old white male).

Here is one take (if you're interested in an opposing opinion).
https://medium.com/@cmclymer/the-pettiness-of-the-angry-white-male-58bcc970021d#.f8m0u2itu
 
And now Bernie agreed to debate Trump since Hillary is hiding.

She looks awful right now.
 
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