Hillary Confesses to Being a Marxist

[aquapub]

Hillary's thesis work that she has had Wellesley College suppressing access to for years has finally seen the light of day, and she removes all doubt that she is a flagrant, extreme Socialist.

Hillary Clinton's hidden thesis - Hillary Clinton News - MSNBC.com

 

[jallman]

Hillary's thesis work that she has had Wellesley College suppressing access to for years has finally seen the light of day, and she removes all doubt that she is a flagrant, extreme Socialist.

Hillary Clinton's hidden thesis - Hillary Clinton News - MSNBC.com

I fail to see how she confesses to being a Marxist simply because she analyzed a far left activist as a thesis topic in college. Get real.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

For a moment I expected something of interest, only to find the OPoster is Aquapub... What a let down...

 

[aquapub]

For a moment I expected something of interest, only to find the OPoster is Aquapub... What a let down...

You don't think it's of interest that Hillary has spelled out her overtly Marxist views?

 

[jallman]

You don't think it's of interest that Hillary has spelled out her overtly Marxist views?

Hillary didn't spell out having overtly Marxist views. She analyzed an overtly Marxist subject. There is a difference.

Besides, this was a senior thesis in college. Views tend to change and solidify after college.

That still doesn't mean there isn't plenty else wrong with Hillary as a candidate.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Even if what you're alleging is true, I was a borderline socialist in college, and a anarcho-capitalist now. What you're saying has no relevance to who she is now.

 

[Philolawsoc]

If someone wants to follow social theory of Karl Marx, that is not bad at all. Totally other question is whether she tries to accomplish "Marxistic" economical theory or not. There is huge difference between social and economical view of his theories. Of course there is specific connections between both of them, but on different level. Capitalism is one "fenomena" just like "socialism" and neither of these two are totaly perfect (we can see that very easy today on global level). Mixture of these two ideologies is the best way to achieve more effective and productive politcal, social, economical goals.
As european, I must say, that we i.e. have that mixture, or some countries had that before and it is very easy to see how entire thing is resolving better on field of social problems (for instance). I just want to say, that old concepts of capitalism must be renewed with progressive way of thinking.
The most important thing is, US politic positions are almost same just like before 60 years ago,...rejecting every single theory which is based on "socialism"....and that position of US, (in this matter), is product of "cold war" (i.e). The most dangerous thing in world of science and theory is, if someone categorically refuses other theories without to use them first or to check them first, that leads into some sort of "national indoctrination by superiors" of people and as such can lead into scientific and scholar isolation.
All this can be avoided by, using, and further development of Capitalism and through it US global position can be better,....of course that is only possible if Hillary really "have" and "is" in specific scientific positions as/a Marxist. That doesn't include total change of entire system, only improvements of Capitalism by using specific theories of "Socialism".

In other words....she can make US global position much better and that is what US needs.

If she confessed it, it would have been just part of her knowledge, which can be used on very good way in future....

 

[aquapub]

Even if what you're alleging is true, I was a borderline socialist in college, and a anarcho-capitalist now. What you're saying has no relevance to who she is now.

If the debunked lie about Bush's coke thing was relevant, Hillary having overtly Marxist views is relevant.

If the debunked lie about Bush's National Guard service was relevant, Hillary having overtly Marxist views is relevant.

Like most people, I was more liberal in my youth as well (until I got some education and experience)...but for any presidential candidate to have ever espoused such views is definitely relevant.

 

[aquapub]

If someone wants to follow social theory of Karl Marx, that is not bad at all.

Apparently you didn't read the link either.

Hillary's "confession" was a metaphor. And giving ringing endorsements to Marxist views while persuing far left policies (like economy-crippling taxpayer-funded health care) is a problem.

 

[Philolawsoc]

I read it, but not entire.... I must admit...

I know it is metaphor, but behind it I can see her understanding of entire problem. As I understood, she tried to make some kind of "mixture" of "ideologies" (that is what I said before) and to improve entire system in sense and spirit of "democracy". I am not sayin, she is "communist", but I say, she sees administrative "holes" and possible leaks in entire social and politcal system. Owing to this thesis, I see her as monumental, critcal factor in USA. She can make such progressions, which other possible "presidental candidates" can not handle. This is a fact.

That is just my opinion based on some facts and political-philosopical theory.
I always try to remain objective, without any kind of actual political influences.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

If the debunked lie about Bush's coke thing was relevant, Hillary having overtly Marxist views is relevant.

If the debunked lie about Bush's National Guard service was relevant, Hillary having overtly Marxist views is relevant.

Like most people, I was more liberal in my youth as well (until I got some education and experience)...but for any presidential candidate to have ever espoused such views is definitely relevant.

These things were debunked? WHEN? SOURCE?

Thats like saying Clinton didn't inhale.

 

[aquapub]

These things were debunked? WHEN? SOURCE?

Thats like saying Clinton didn't inhale.

When liberals accused Bush of having gone AWOL (after defending Clinton's draft-dodging, no less) Bush pointed out that he was honorably discharged, which wouldn't have happened if he had been AWOL.

Then they demanded to see pay stubs for the time period in question. Bush produced them.

Liberals continuously demanded to see his Guard Record, which had been available to the public for 3 years, and he pointed that out every time they said this.

When it became clear that CBS ran the story based solely on the word of a Kerry campaign operative (not that the media's biased or anything), Dan Rather resigned over the lie.

THAT'S what I mean by debunked.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

When liberals accused Bush of having gone AWOL (after defending Clinton's draft-dodging, no less) Bush pointed out that he was honorably discharged, which wouldn't have happened if he had been AWOL.

Then they demanded to see pay stubs for the time period in question. Bush produced them.

Liberals continuously demanded to see his Guard Record, which had been available to the public for 3 years, and he pointed that out every time they said this.

When it became clear that CBS ran the story based solely on the word of a Kerry campaign operative (not that the media's biased or anything), Dan Rather resigned over the lie.

THAT'S what I mean by debunked.

And the coke thing?

 

[aquapub]

And the coke thing?

James Hatfield wrote a book claiming Bush did coke. The book relied entirely on his own credibility, and was pulled from the shelves once this guy was exposed as a career criminal and a fraud.

This guy had never been heard of in the publishing community before, and despite the fact that zero investigative journalists had been able to turn up a shred of evidence to support this rumor, this guy was taken at face value, no fact checking was done (as the Washington Post later admitted), and his lies were reported as fact by our "objective" media (the same media that blacklisted FBI agent, Gary Aldrich-at the request of partisan liberal operative, George Stephanopolous-who's tell all book about Clinton was redundantly verified by the facts).

Not that the media bears an overtly partisan liberal bias or anything. :roll:

When Hatfield was pressed about his sources, he started contradicting earlier claims he had made and couldn't produce a conviction date, arresting officer...anything.

When it was all over, the New York Times defended the career criminal by pointing out that other authors had committed crimes and blamed Bush for being smeared, "Perhaps if politicians were more forthcoming, they would be smeared less."

Not that the media bears an overtly partisan liberal bias or anything. :roll:

And this is how the media routinely creates false accounts of history to favor the left. Everyone is steered away from the facts that destroyed this fraud and left with the impression that Bush was caught doing coke.

 

[Australianlibertarian]

When I was 13 or 14 I used to be very socialist/communist in my political outlook. I used to subscribe to the Green Left Weekly. The problem was, and still is that I am a very sceptical person. I constantly read very anti-U.S sentiment, anti-capitalist sentiment, constant defence of Castro and the usual excuses for Stalin......

Eventually I got fed up of the newspaper and cancelled my subscription. Once I was free of my propaganda paper, I objectively looked at communism and thought it was a failure. So I moved to Keynesian economic model, because I believed at the time it was the best economic model.

Cue in my waitering job at a cafe. My boss is a former stockbroker, real Austrain school of economics type. During the quieter times at work, he would discuss economic policy, and the stock market with some of the customers that were employed in merchant banking, stockbroking etc. Slowly but surely I became aware of free market policy.

By the start of college I was a very strong supporter of free market policy, and personal freedoms, roll on my Libertarian views....In addition my outlook on war and foreign policy changed. In my 'red' days, I used to be very critical of U.S foreign policy and Israel. Now I have come full circle, and am very supportive of the U.S and Israel.

The point is, people can change in political views. Look at Ronald Reagan, he was once a Democrat, then he became a Republican..... What people should be judged on is their current political beliefs, not their past.

Even Milton Friedman used to support Keynesian economics.....

 

[Chanda]

From the article:

"Just last month, an anonymous commentator lamented on the conservative Web site Free Republic, "She's a Marxist. Saul Alinsky's student. I sure wish we could unearth that sealed thesis of hers that she wrote at Wellesley."

Why did the author include a quote from an anonymous freeper?

 

[Chanda]

When liberals accused Bush of having gone AWOL (after defending Clinton's draft-dodging, no less) Bush pointed out that he was honorably discharged, which wouldn't have happened if he had been AWOL.

The Bush family has a history of "fixing" things. Bush was admitted to TANG because of family connections, and he was "honorably discharged" the same way.

Then they demanded to see pay stubs for the time period in question. Bush produced them.

There's no question he was paid. The question is, did he report for duty? Why does no one at the Alabama base remember him being there?

Liberals continuously demanded to see his Guard Record, which had been available to the public for 3 years, and he pointed that out every time they said this.

Not the entire record.

When it became clear that CBS ran the story based solely on the word of a Kerry campaign operative (not that the media's biased or anything), Dan Rather resigned over the lie.

There was no lie. The document in question was never proven conclusively to be a forgery. Dan Rather resigned because of charges that the document wasn't checked out, but it was examined by experts who found no discrepancies.

THAT'S what I mean by debunked.

And that's why you are wrong.

 

[ChristopherHall]

If the debunked lie about Bush's coke thing was relevant, Hillary having overtly Marxist views is relevant.

If the debunked lie about Bush's National Guard service was relevant, Hillary having overtly Marxist views is relevant.

Like most people, I was more liberal in my youth as well (until I got some education and experience)...but for any presidential candidate to have ever espoused such views is definitely relevant.

I think this discredits conservatism. It's like saying, "If your lie was important, so is mine!"

Get real guys. Win based on ideology...not swift boat tactics.

 

[aquapub]

1) The Bush family has a history of "fixing" things. Bush was admitted to TANG because of family connections, and he was "honorably discharged" the same way.

2) There's no question he was paid. The question is, did he report for duty? Why does no one at the Alabama base remember him being there?

3) Not the entire record.

4) There was no lie. The document in question was never proven conclusively to be a forgery. Dan Rather resigned because of charges that the document wasn't checked out, but it was examined by experts who found no discrepancies.

5) And that's why you are wrong.

1) Based on the word of more career criminals who had to have their books taken off the shelves? Based on Dan Rather, who had to quit over perpetuating this lie?

Nice logic.

2) Maybe the fact that it was decades ago? And I remember seeing people on the news stating that they DID remember him being there. The only source anyone had to base this on was a Kerry Campaign operative.

3) Yes, the entire record.

4) :bs Wow. Aren't we willing to say anything. It is a fact that these documents were forgeries. Go ahead, ask me to prove it.

5) Because you regurgitate long debunked left wing hype? No. That would be why YOU are wrong.

:lol:

 

[aquapub]

From the article:

"Just last month, an anonymous commentator lamented on the conservative Web site Free Republic, "She's a Marxist. Saul Alinsky's student. I sure wish we could unearth that sealed thesis of hers that she wrote at Wellesley."

Why did the author include a quote from an anonymous freeper?

Just a guess...maybe because that's the accusation the article was based on?

 

[tecoyah]

Wait....A politician, studyiing....Politics?


Damn, Whoda Thunk It!!!

I'm not terribly impressed with Hillary, But all you've done here is make an A$$ of yourself Aqua...Between you and Stinger, we have a regular Clinton Stalkers Club.

 

[jallman]

Wait....A politician, studyiing....Politics?


Damn, Whoda Thunk It!!!

I'm not terribly impressed with Hillary, But all you've done here is make an A$$ of yourself Aqua...Between you and Stinger, we have a regular Clinton Stalkers Club.

It's not Hillary. Jesus Christ himself could run as a democrat and those two would become Jewish in a heartbeat.

 

[dragonslayer]

Hillary's thesis work that she has had Wellesley College suppressing access to for years has finally seen the light of day, and she removes all doubt that she is a flagrant, extreme Socialist.

Hillary Clinton's hidden thesis - Hillary Clinton News - MSNBC.com

Gosh that is horrible. When I was in School, at a major university, I wrote a paper on Santa Claus. Yet now many years later, I realize that no matter how much fun it is to celebrate Christmas, that Santa Does not come from
the north pole to distribute gifts. I bet that really shock you. Also Many years ago, when I was softmore at major university. I read Das Capital, and wrote two paper one on socialism, and one on Communism.

What the heck does this have to do with the USA. We have never practiced, socialism, or marxism in this country.

I also took classes in Soviet history, European History, and History of the Roman empire. Does this make me Roman lover? No it makes one a history buff.

I bet your are really shocked to realize that at the height of the cold war, people were constantly writing papers about communism and Marxism. Most anyone who took Political classes, economics, history,,,read and wrote about Communism. To claim that Hilary is a marxist, because she wrote paper about marxism thirty years ago is pure BS.

How about this? It is the same type of trash that you are talking about.
Definition: Conservative, Hate the constitution, disregard the people and their needs and kill. War for profit.
Definition: Liberal, help America survive, and have a better democracy, look to the needs of the people. Defense when necessary.
If a person was in college, in the 1950s and 1960s and did not bother to bother to understand Communism, you were not thinking. It was the great enemy. We use to be obsessed with Communism. We wanted to find ways help people progress without, becoming communists. Now days all the conservatives want is greed and death.

 

[Chanda]

1) Based on the word of more career criminals who had to have their books taken off the shelves? Based on Dan Rather, who had to quit over perpetuating this lie?

No, based on the admission of Former Texas House speaker Ben Barnes who helped Bush get into the TANG.

2) Maybe the fact that it was decades ago? And I remember seeing people on the news stating that they DID remember him being there. The only source anyone had to base this on was a Kerry Campaign operative.

The people who worked with Bush on the campaign in Alabama remember him quite well, even though it was decades ago. Not one person remembers Bush ever showing up for NG duty, though. Yes, one person claimed to remember him, but his story was debunked when he gave the wrong time frame.

3) Yes, the entire record.

No, records are missing even to this day.

4) :bs Wow. Aren't we willing to say anything. It is a fact that these documents were forgeries. Go ahead, ask me to prove it.

It has never been proven conclusively that the documents were forgeries. That is only a big lie that has been repeated so often it is commonly accepted as truth.

 

[adamanarch]

There are quite a few undesirable adjectives that could accurately describe Hillary Clinton, however, I wouldn't say that "marxist" is one of them. It's a very shaky, if at all existant, connection that you are making with this thread.