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Hillary Clinton Supporters: Why Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders?[W:44]

Ntharotep

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This is honest curiosity (for me at least).
Hillary Clinton supporters and there seems to be a lot of you. Why did you choose Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination?

This is not to judge Clinton supporters or cheer for Sanders (or disparage either candidate's supporters) but there might be debate on your answers.

And thanks for voting this primary season by the way (no matter who you voted for).
 
Re: Hillary Clinton Supporters: Why Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders?

Ntharotep said:
This is honest curiosity (for me at least).
Hillary Clinton supporters and there seems to be a lot of you. Why did you choose Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination?

This is not to judge Clinton supporters or cheer for Sanders (or disparage either candidate's supporters) but there might be debate on your answers.

And thanks for voting this primary season by the way (no matter who you voted for).
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This is gon' be interesting.
 
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Because she stands for nothing.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton Supporters: Why Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders?

Ntharotep said:
This is honest curiosity (for me at least).
Hillary Clinton supporters and there seems to be a lot of you. Why did you choose Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination?

This is not to judge Clinton supporters or cheer for Sanders (or disparage either candidate's supporters) but there might be debate on your answers.

And thanks for voting this primary season by the way (no matter who you voted for).
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For me, it was a matter of voting for the individual that I viewed as the most qualified and most likely to achieve success during the general election and to achieve a degree of legislative success once elected. The proposals made by Bernie are desirable, to an extent, but I deem them to be too severe and disruptive and thus, are unlikely to yield success in the general election (although, I didn't foresee him being gifted the opponent of Donald Trump) or for his legislation to be successfully passed by a House and Senate that will probably remain under Republican control.
 
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Ntharotep said:
This is honest curiosity (for me at least).
Hillary Clinton supporters and there seems to be a lot of you. Why did you choose Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination?

This is not to judge Clinton supporters or cheer for Sanders (or disparage either candidate's supporters) but there might be debate on your answers.

And thanks for voting this primary season by the way (no matter who you voted for).
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Since you asked politely:

1: I prefer her stance on issues. She does not go as far as Sanders does in changing things, which is a positive. I do not want massive change in this country. I want small improvements and tweaks to improve a system that already works far better than we tend to give it credit for(until we visit other countries and see just how good we do have it). Sanders campaign strikes me as pie in the sky, not going to happen and if it did would have major unintended consequences type stuff.

2: The rich are not my enemy, nor is Wall Street. As long as Sanders portrays them as such, I will not support him.
 
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Redress said:
Since you asked politely:

1: I prefer her stance on issues. She does not go as far as Sanders does in changing things, which is a positive. I do not want massive change in this country. I want small improvements and tweaks to improve a system that already works far better than we tend to give it credit for(until we visit other countries and see just how good we do have it). Sanders campaign strikes me as pie in the sky, not going to happen and if it did would have major unintended consequences type stuff.

2: The rich are not my enemy, nor is Wall Street. As long as Sanders portrays them as such, I will not support him.
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1: Incrementalism is merely veiled cowardice and complacency.
2: Of course, you are a self-avowed Fascist.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
1: Incrementalism is merely veiled cowardice and complacency.
2: Of course, you are a self-avowed Fascist.
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what are you talking about. From what I have seen we have the following

1) fans of Bill Clinton who figure he would run things if his shrew of a wife is elected

2) women who want a woman as president

3) non-socialists who vote democrat. Gun banners, Abortion advocates, Homosexual rights supporters etc

4) they figure Hillary has a better chance of getting elected than Goofy Bernie even if they prefer his more honest desires for economic socialism

5) tehy realize that Hillary is a whore of Wall street and will continue that whoring if she is elected
 
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Ntharotep said:
This is honest curiosity (for me at least).
Hillary Clinton supporters and there seems to be a lot of you. Why did you choose Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination?

This is not to judge Clinton supporters or cheer for Sanders (or disparage either candidate's supporters) but there might be debate on your answers.

And thanks for voting this primary season by the way (no matter who you voted for).
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That's an easy question. BS is still caught in the populist dreams of his youth that did so much damage to the Europeans, when their politicians used socialist programs to buy votes. Now he wants to reexperiment with the lives of Americans, though the Europeans have shown that the idiology doesn't work other than as a Pied Piper's tune.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
1: Incrementalism is merely veiled cowardice and complacency.
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How well do you think name calling is going to work to convince people to vote like you want?

2: Of course, you are a self-avowed Fascist.
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My user title is a joke, not meant to be taken seriously.

By the way, it is easy to stand for nothing, and criticize those who stand for something. I see you like to do things the easy way...
 
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Redress said:
Since you asked politely:

1: I prefer her stance on issues. She does not go as far as Sanders does in changing things, which is a positive. I do not want massive change in this country. I want small improvements and tweaks to improve a system that already works far better than we tend to give it credit for(until we visit other countries and see just how good we do have it). Sanders campaign strikes me as pie in the sky, not going to happen and if it did would have major unintended consequences type stuff.

2: The rich are not my enemy, nor is Wall Street. As long as Sanders portrays them as such, I will not support him.
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I do not necessarily agree word for word, but I have to give you props for a good honest answer. Well said.

I still have some suspicions that Establishment is helping Hillary enough to make at least some differences in these primary contests.
 
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This is why I support Bernie over Hillary, summed up in one neat little image.

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It's all about principle, morality, and humanity.

BTW, fellow Berniers...share the **** out of this!
 
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As I've stated else where, I view Hillary and establishment Republicans (minus Trump) as being essentially the same, modulo social issues. She'd never give VP to Sanders, so there's no real point for me to have that conversation. Contrary to Hillary supports, I foundationally believe that Wall Street and the powerful are the enemies of the poor and the middle-class, and I think to argue otherwise is in absolute contradiction to every fact on the ground and every fact of history. I'm fine with people voting for what they believe in, but I'm also fine saying that Hillary's presidency is going to be a disaster for the poor and middle classes. And the kind of menace it will breed in the Republicans will make Donald Trump sound like a wise, sagacious, and tolerant man in comparison. And if there's a financial collapse as there almost certainly will be during her presidency... That menace will walk into the White House in 2021.

OrphanSlug said:
I still have some suspicions that Establishment is helping Hillary enough to make at least some differences in these primary contests.
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This is the most severe understatement I've read on this forum in some time.
 
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Re: Hillary Clinton Supporters: Why Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders?

Abbazorkzog said:
This is why I support Bernie over Hillary, summed up in one neat little image.

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It's all about principle, morality, and humanity.

BTW, fellow Berniers...share the **** out of this!
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You support Sanders because you do not understand math or superdelgates? No one has a single superdelegate yet. Both are at zero. No one gets any superdelegates until they vote at the convention. The actual count(using 538s numbers) is Clinton 1151, Sanders 828. That means that Clinton is winning, without any rigging of anything(this is basic math, 1158 is greater than 828). More people have voted for Clinton than Sanders. That is simply the way it is. Crying that elections are unfair probably not going to work real well.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
1: Incrementalism is merely veiled cowardice and complacency.
2: Of course, you are a self-avowed Fascist.
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Thanks for confirming that you have no more intelligence than the average Trump supporter. Blow it all up and who cares where the pieces fall.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton Supporters: Why Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders?

Abbazorkzog said:
This is why I support Bernie over Hillary, summed up in one neat little image.

thisiscrap.jpg


It's all about principle, morality, and humanity.

BTW, fellow Berniers...share the **** out of this!
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LOL Millers the jerk who supported GW Bush and his war in Iraq. He's a GOP plant and his point is that we should give the nomination to Bernie even if he has gotten far less votes than Hillary because Bernie will lose in November.
 
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Redress said:
Since you asked politely:

1: I prefer her stance on issues. She does not go as far as Sanders does in changing things, which is a positive. I do not want massive change in this country. I want small improvements and tweaks to improve a system that already works far better than we tend to give it credit for(until we visit other countries and see just how good we do have it). Sanders campaign strikes me as pie in the sky, not going to happen and if it did would have major unintended consequences type stuff.

2: The rich are not my enemy, nor is Wall Street. As long as Sanders portrays them as such, I will not support him.
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1: that sounds like a conservative argument.

2: i didn't think that was Sanders' argument, rather that they exercise too much control in the political system and it has gone too far in their favor.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton Supporters: Why Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders?

Ntharotep said:
This is honest curiosity (for me at least).
Hillary Clinton supporters and there seems to be a lot of you. Why did you choose Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination?

This is not to judge Clinton supporters or cheer for Sanders (or disparage either candidate's supporters) but there might be debate on your answers.

And thanks for voting this primary season by the way (no matter who you voted for).
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Not a Dem, or Repub, but if push came to shove I would support Hillary over Bernie because of Bernie's ideas and how he would achieve them, we simply cannot afford his brand of Socialism. While many Liberals are Liberals because of their ideas on social issues they can be, and often are, not nearly as Liberal when it comes to spending and Taxes and with Bernie that is what he is all about, more spending and more taxes, sooner or later something will break and his brand of politics is simply not acceptable for most Liberals.
That is why I cannot support the man, maybe in a perfect world maybe his goals would be workable but in the real world there are limits when it comes down to how achieves those goals. He was dead meat the second people learned he is Proud to wear the title of Socialist.
 
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Absentglare said:
1: that sounds like a conservative argument.
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It is not. I am still for regulations as needed, for more health care, for everything liberal. I just don't think it makes sense to go from A to Z without stopping a few places in the middle to take care of the problems that crop up. When you drive somewhere, you do not just point the car in the right direction, set cruise control and take a nap, you have to watch the route, go around detours, and correct the steering.

2: i didn't think that was Sanders' argument, rather that they exercise too much control in the political system and it has gone too far in their favor.
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It may not be exactly his argument, but it is how he frames the argument. The biggest mistake we can make in politics is to set out a group as being the cause of our problems, and then punish them to correct it.
 
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Absentglare said:
i didn't think that was Sanders' argument, rather that they exercise too much control in the political system and it has gone too far in their favor.
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Yeah, I mean to be fair this is a subtle point. It's not like "Rich people are evil," it's more than "Historically, the rich as a group tend to favor their class interests, which always come at the expense of the poor and the middle class. The rich also have the power, and a certain subgroup of them exercise it, to manipulate, deceive, and misinform the lower classes to suit their favor."

The Trump movement is a failure not merely of the GOP, it also arose from a profound failure in the DNC to actually take care and look out for the lower classes. The Clinton's sold these people out, right alongside the Republicans, in the 90's with free-trade deals.

We're at a point now where political dissatisfaction is incredibly high, and as I've stated for months now, we're a tipping point for massive change that's either socialism or fascism. We're at the political equivalent of 1924/28. A major economic depression looms in the near horizon directly because of neoliberalism (then just Coolidge's "liberalism", i.e. deregulation, lower taxes, etc). 2016 is a fascinating election cycle, but it pales in comparison to what I believe is coming. The equivalent of the 1932 election is coming up, will we vote in FDR or will we vote in Hitler? It could go either way.

Anyways, carry on.
 
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iguanaman said:
LOL Millers the jerk who supported GW Bush and his war in Iraq. He's a GOP plant and his point is that we should give the nomination to Bernie even if he has gotten far less votes than Hillary because Bernie will lose in November.
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Someone says something not even directly critical of Hillary Clinton and your response is 'LOLdgafGOPplant'.

-facepalm-
 
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Redress said:
It is not. I am still for regulations as needed, for more health care, for everything liberal. I just don't think it makes sense to go from A to Z without stopping a few places in the middle to take care of the problems that crop up. When you drive somewhere, you do not just point the car in the right direction, set cruise control and take a nap, you have to watch the route, go around detours, and correct the steering.



It may not be exactly his argument, but it is how he frames the argument. The biggest mistake we can make in politics is to set out a group as being the cause of our problems, and then punish them to correct it.
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I don't mean to say that it is an American conservative argument (think Ted Cruz...). I mean that it does seem to demonstrate resistance to change.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
Someone says something not even directly critical of Hillary Clinton and your response is 'LOLdgafGOPplant'.

-facepalm-
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You are denying that he was a Bush supporter? Why is he relevant to Bernie supporters?

 
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