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Hillary Clinton Embraces Ideas From Bernie Sanders’s College Tuition Plan

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Hillary Clinton Embraces Ideas From Bernie Sanders’s College Tuition Plan

Hillary Clinton’s campaign announced plans on Wednesday to eliminate college tuition at in-state public colleges and universities for families with annual incomes under $125,000 — a significant nod to a core position of Senator Bernie Sanders, who had pledged to make tuition at public institutions free for all students.

While stopping short of Mr. Sanders’s vision, the proposal is likely to hearten the senator and many of his supporters, as aides to Mrs. Clinton work to unite the party before the Democratic National Convention on July 25-28 in Philadelphia.

Mrs. Clinton’s team is eager to attract the young supporters that flocked to Mr. Sanders in the nominating fight, and a campaign aide noted that during her meeting last month with Mr. Sanders, the two discussed the merits of their plans to make college more affordable and the importance of featuring the issue prominently in the general election.

As part of the her package of proposals, Mrs. Clinton, who speaks often on the campaign trail of her plans for debt-free college education, is calling for a three-month moratorium on the repayment of federal student loans.

Wow. So she got that idea from Bernie?

Wonder where he got that idea from?

Europe, that's where - every EU country offers free tertiary education. Every damn one, all 28 ...

NB: Next step, Universal Health Care - which will put America on a par with the EU. Finally, 22 years after "Harry and Louise". After all, why not, if Congress gets a total Health Care package free, gratis and for nothing ... ?
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Hillary Clinton Embraces Ideas From Bernie Sanders’s College Tuition Plan



Wow. So she got that idea from Bernie?

Wonder where he got that idea from?

Europe, that's where - every EU country offers free tertiary education. Every damn one, all 28 ...



Since Europe has what even Krugman calls Eurosclerous (sick economies) we should do the opposite of what they do, obviously. How odd Silicon Valley is in USA not Europe where everyone is on the dole or trying to get on it. Let's have a 30 hour work week and make it impossible to fire a bad employee!!!
 
Eurosclerous, good term, I like it.

Regardless, it's easy to spend other people's money. Problem is, it runs out, and then what do you do with all the people who are addicted to other people's money?

No, this isn't a path to success or betterment of the nation, yet the uninformed will cheer and line up to spend other people's money, until it's their turn for the government run fleecing.
 
Regardless, it's easy to spend other people's money. .

well maybe not so easy. Don't forget, for liberals to spend other peoples money they first have to take it from other people at the point of a gun. Violence is always the liberal way. No wonder our liberals spied for Stalin when he was slowly starving to death 60 million and no wonder Sanders honeymooned in USSR.
 
Hillary Clinton Embraces Ideas From Bernie Sanders’s College Tuition Plan



Wow. So she got that idea from Bernie?

Wonder where he got that idea from?

Europe, that's where - every EU country offers free tertiary education. Every damn one, all 28 ...

NB: Next step, Universal Health Care - which will put America on a par with the EU. Finally, 22 years after "Harry and Louise". After all, why not, if Congress gets a total Health Care package free, gratis and for nothing ... ?
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The usual promises of more "free" stuff without any mention of how it would be paid for - and yes, the public colleges and unversities will still exect to get tuition funds for each and every student that they enroll up front. Sanders at least was honest enough to say he would raise federal taxes to pay for 2/3 of it and stick the states wth the obligation to pay for 1/3 of it if he could make college tuition "free". I wonder how those that elected to joint the milltary to get a college education benefit, or those that borrowed money to pay for their college, feel about this "just give it away" plan?
 
The usual promises of more "free" stuff without any mention of how it would be paid for - and yes, the public colleges and unversities will still exect to get tuition funds for each and every student that they enroll up front. Sanders at least was honest enough to say he would raise federal taxes to pay for 2/3 of it and stick the states wth the obligation to pay for 1/3 of it if he could make college tuition "free". I wonder how those that elected to joint the milltary to get a college education benefit, or those that borrowed money to pay for their college, feel about this "just give it away" plan?

Not only that but college has gotten so expensive, thanks to easy liberal govt loans, that its a bad investment. Liberal govt policy has actually made getting an education a bad idea. Isn't that the way socialism always works for all goods and services??
 
Hillary Clinton Embraces Ideas From Bernie Sanders’s College Tuition Plan



Wow. So she got that idea from Bernie?

Wonder where he got that idea from?

Europe, that's where - every EU country offers free tertiary education. Every damn one, all 28 ...

NB: Next step, Universal Health Care - which will put America on a par with the EU. Finally, 22 years after "Harry and Louise". After all, why not, if Congress gets a total Health Care package free, gratis and for nothing ... ?
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Just what we need - another means tested benefit! :doh
 
well maybe not so easy. Don't forget, for liberals to spend other peoples money they first have to take it from other people at the point of a gun. Violence is always the liberal way. No wonder our liberals spied for Stalin when he was slowly starving to death 60 million and no wonder Sanders honeymooned in USSR.

Disturbing on many levels, that.
 
Hillary Clinton Embraces Ideas From Bernie Sanders’s College Tuition Plan



Wow. So she got that idea from Bernie?

Wonder where he got that idea from?

Europe, that's where - every EU country offers free tertiary education. Every damn one, all 28 ...

NB: Next step, Universal Health Care - which will put America on a par with the EU. Finally, 22 years after "Harry and Louise". After all, why not, if Congress gets a total Health Care package free, gratis and for nothing ... ?
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Okay...so will this free college/university include free room and board? Transportation to and from the college? And can they take anything - even Elizabethan Poetry? And how many degrees can they get? Can they change major's part way through? If they can, is there a limit to the number of times they can do it?
Does it matter what their grades/SAT scores were? Does every college have to take anyone who wants to go there? Or can they have minimum standards.
And how do you stop colleges from gouging the government? Deliberately overcharging because they know they are guaranteed to get paid - no matter how expensive the tuition.
 
Eurosclerous, good term, I like it.

Depends upon what you mean by sclerosis.

How about this definition: sclerotic Income Disparity in the US; which is incarcerating 15% of American men, women and children - 45 million people - below the Poverty Threshold ($24K per year, family of 4) since 1965 half-a-century. (Btw, that's the population of Texas and New York combined.)

Open your sclerotic eyes, and see here from the Census Bureau:

Numbe in Poverty & Poverty Rate 1959 to 2013.jpg

Regardless, it's easy to spend other people's money.

Yeah, especially if you are a DoD contractor. Is that your "fate in life"?

Then I can understand why you like sucking at the Federal-budget teat ...
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Depends upon what you mean by sclerosis.

How about this definition: sclerotic Income Disparity in the US; which is incarcerating 15% of American men, women and children - 45 million people - below the Poverty Threshold ($24K per year, family of 4) since 1965 half-a-century. (Btw, that's the population of Texas and New York combined.)

Open your sclerotic eyes, and see here from the Census Bureau:

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Yeah, especially if you are a DoD contractor. Is that your "fate in life"?

Then I can understand why you like sucking at the Federal-budget teat ...
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I think this is the definition of sclerosis.
scle·ro·sis
skləˈrōsəs/
nounMedicine

noun: sclerosis; plural noun: scleroses

  • 1.
    abnormal hardening of body tissue.
  • 2.
    excessive resistance to change.
    "the challenge was to avoid institutional sclerosis"

Applied to the EU in this context I see it as referring to the overly union controlled job market, where it's nearly impossible to fire someone or lay someone off during business downturns, which has the effect of not hiring anyone during business upturns. In essence, not able to respond to changes in the economy with any agility.

The entire Income Disparity meme a bit overblown.

Dispelling Myths About Income Inequality
 
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Income Inequality is measured simply by the Gini Index, and more complexly by the Census Bureau.

Which simply means people like you do NOT want to believe the truth, because it is far too uncomfortable. So, of you go on a spurious track that seems to give you an escape.

You are swimming against main-stream economics. So here is a bit of serious economic analysis, cross-country from the OECD*.

Meaning applying the same rule to multiple countries (more than thirty in this case) to see how a given quotient (for instance, Income Disparity or Relative Income Poverty) stacks up amongst them. Be my guest, here OECD Income Inequality:
*Scroll down to the "Compare your country" infographic on the right-hand side.
*Then select USA, and see where the red-line pops-up. Fifth from the right on most Relative Income Poverty! Wow! (The top being our southern neighbor - and Trump nemesis (Meh-hi-ko) - which has the worst of any OECD country.)
*Select, ummmm, high-taxation France, sixth from the bottom in Relative Income Poverty. Wow, again!

Now, please prattle your way out of this one. Show us how the OECD has got it all wrong too ...

*OECD = Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development
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Income Inequality is measured simply by the Gini Index, and more complexly by the Census Bureau.

Which simply means people like you do NOT want to believe the truth, because it is far too uncomfortable. So, of you go on a spurious track that seems to give you an escape.

You are swimming against main-stream economics. So here is a bit of serious economic analysis, cross-country from the OECD*.

Meaning applying the same rule to multiple countries (more than thirty in this case) to see how a given quotient (for instance, Income Disparity or Relative Income Poverty) stacks up amongst them. Be my guest, here OECD Income Inequality:
*Scroll down to the "Compare your country" infographic on the right-hand side.
*Then select USA, and see where the red-line pops-up. Fifth from the right on most Relative Income Poverty! Wow! (The top being our southern neighbor - and Trump nemesis (Meh-hi-ko) - which has the worst of any OECD country.)
*Select, ummmm, high-taxation France, sixth from the bottom in Relative Income Poverty. Wow, again!

Now, please prattle your way out of this one. Show us how the OECD has got it all wrong too ...

*OECD = Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development
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So your proposed solution is to have the government enforce punitive penalties on being successful? By the force of the government gun? At the end of the government gun barrel? All in the name of some perceived social justice imperative that isn't shared by a large part of the electorate?

Regardless of how much additional power this hands over to the government? Into the hands of those who have already proven themselves as corrupted with more power than they deserve? This is your solution?

Seems to me that the cure is worse than the disease. We can see this in the economic vitality, or lack thereof, in the EU nations, Germany excluded for some reason, the impact of their chosen solution and economic configuration. Let me ask you, which is the most resilient, most robust, most adaptable economy? Yeah, that'd be the US economy.

It also appears that this isn't the chosen economic configuration of the US and it's electorate, at least not at this time.
 
So your proposed solution is to have the government enforce punitive penalties on being successful?

You call them "penalties" and I call them "the cost of participating in a collective market-economy". We are looking through different prisms at the same animal. Called a "market-economy".

How many millionaires do you know became so on a deserted island? The collective of people is far more important than any individual in any market-economy. And when push-comes-to-shove people like you are the first to raise Ole Betsy up the flag and cry in unison for the Collective Defense of the "Our Nation's Values". (Why? Because war is good for business!)

We cannot agree on that simple POV - that is, the importance of the collective in any Social Democracy.

That's fine, the world is not coming to an end either ...
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Since Europe has what even Krugman calls Eurosclerous (sick economies) we should do the opposite of what they do, obviously. How odd Silicon Valley is in USA not Europe where everyone is on the dole or trying to get on it. Let's have a 30 hour work week and make it impossible to fire a bad employee!!!

The American way will be for someone like silicon valley to create such great online virtual courses orders of magnitude better in quality and fun than traditional brick and mortar education at the price of an i-tune that allows like 99.9% of the people and taxpayers to not have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on education.
 
You call them "penalties" and I call them "the cost of participating in a collective market-economy". We are looking through different prisms at the same animal. Called a "market-economy".

How many millionaires do you know became so on a deserted island? The collective of people is far more important than any individual in any market-economy. And when push-comes-to-shove people like you are the first to raise Ole Betsy up the flag and cry in unison for the Collective Defense of the "Our Nation's Values". (Why? Because war is good for business!)

We cannot agree on that simple POV - that is, the importance of the collective in any Social Democracy.

That's fine, the world is not coming to an end either ...
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Well, there in lies the difference in POV.

You appear to be from a Social Democracy, where as I'm from a Republic. Is it any surprise that anyone born and raised in a Republic resists when some one else from some where else insists that it should become a Social Democracy instead?

Who knows, perhaps in the future, the US's Republic will change to a Social Democracy. Perhaps not. If the US does, it will be on their own timetable from their own volition, and it's going to have to be with a much larger base of support in the electorate than is at present for such a change.
 
You appear to be from a Social Democracy, where as I'm from a Republic.

I live presently in the fifth Republic of France (since 1792), run by a socialist government, that is plainly social-democrat in nature.

It's motto, since 1792, has always been "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité".

Underline Egalité, which in English means "justice, absence of discrimination, fairness".

You THINK you live in a fair country. The stats show otherwise ...
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I live presently in the fifth Republic of France (since 1792), run by a socialist government, that is plainly social-democrat in nature.

It's motto, since 1792, has always been "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité".

Underline Egalité, which in English means "justice, absence of discrimination, fairness".

You THINK you live in a fair country. The stats show otherwise ...
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Life isn't always fair. While a Republic may claim to make it so, it's not possible for a government to dictate outcomes. Most recently, Venezuela tried that, and have pretty much collapsed from it.
 
Life isn't always fair. While a Republic may claim to make it so, it's not possible for a government to dictate outcomes.

It is almost never fair, since most of our "lifestyle" is decided by a market-economy (of free exchange).

Which is why governments have the duty to intervene, to assure that the most good is done for the most people.

And not just a select few ...
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It is almost never fair, since most of our "lifestyle" is decided by a market-economy (of free exchange).

Which is why governments have the duty to intervene, to assure that the most good is done for the most people.

And not just a select few ...
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It depends on how much power over people and liberties the people are willing to secede to the government.

Who says that the government is any better at picking winners and losers than the market-economy?

It is not the duty of the government to redistribute wealth from those who have earned it to those that haven't earned it.
Doing so distorts the markets in the market-economy.
The "lifestyles" that people with free choice in the market have are the result of their choices in life. No about of government correction is going to have a long lasting impact on that, unless these free choices are removed from the people so they have none.
 
So your proposed solution is to have the government enforce punitive penalties on being successful?

Better yet - we shoot anybody and everybody who has a Net Worth of more than a megabuck!

Yeah, go for it .... ! :shock:
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Better yet - we shoot anybody and everybody who has a Net Worth of more than a megabuck!

Yeah, go for it .... ! :shock:
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Err. Didn't France do that once already? Don't think that turned out very well.
 
How many millionaires do you know became so on a deserted island?_

None, the potential millionaire needs people who benefit greatly from his products much like a great doctor needs sick people to benefit from his cures. On balance the millionaire contributes more to society than a doctor.

Sick people aren't heroes for being sick but doctors are heroes for saving their lives. This actually has to be taught to a liberal. Believe it or not.
 
The American way will be for someone like silicon valley to create such great online virtual courses orders of magnitude better in quality and fun than traditional brick and mortar education at the price of an i-tune that allows like 99.9% of the people and taxpayers to not have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on education.

I think such courses can "assist teaching", but the Human Brain is not prepared to absorb a lot of information and be called "educated". An encyclopedia is not "educated".

It can be particularly helpful with children, where the teacher, instead of "teaching", assists those that the computer shows are having difficulty assimilating the facts. Whyzzat?

Because some personalities are recalcitrant when they "think" they are not learning. They give up and move on to less challenging tasks. (Computer-teaching is actually a good discipline for basic learning. It is better than testing students, since it is quickly reactive in the teaching process.)

A higher-learning testing is a matter of how one takes knowledge and regurgitates it with "added-value". One must make something of the knowledge, not just spit it back out in Multiple-Choice and True/False question.

And I feel the dependence upon such expediencies (M/C & T/F) is why the children are not progressing to a higher plane of knowledge assessment and creative thinking. Some are, but most not. (I happen to teach.)

NB: And the plague of MBA's is most disturbing. There is perhaps no subject bereft of theory than that one. Just facts assimilated in an order on given subjects. Very little intellectual questioning, very little debate. (Why debate is important.)

Debate and exchange of opinion (regarding subjects) on all levels are the heart of "education"; and it is in such debates that one's "ideas and notions" are put to a litmus-test. We learn to question our ideas/notions and improve or even change them ...

Confucius: "He who learns but does not think, is lost! He who thinks but does not learn is in great danger."
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We learn to question our ideas/notions and improve or even change them ...

one cant really debate and still be a liberal since liberalism is based in pure ignorance. If you doubt it say something substantive in defense of liberalism? Its impossible- right? despite the MSM presenting liberalism as legitimate.
 
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