Higher IQ- Trump or Obama?

[Keridan]

There’s every reason to have faith in a properly administered IQ test. IQ is probably the best correlated factor to success in society.


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Would you mind providing a source or two for this? I get mixed results if I search it on Google. Thanks!

 

[D_NATURED]

So sad you would think such.

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Incorrect.

Wow, I hate your racist bell curve. So, it's your opinion that the smartest black person only has an IQ in the 130s? And, oh my, what a large intellectual leap is represented by Caucasians over Hispanics. How are you not ashamed to post such obvious, racist propaganda.

I actually agree that IQ does not, necessarily, indicate one's ability to be good or decent. However, education CAN help that and that's where Trump and the dull-witted right wing fail, not in potential but in applied intelligence. There are too many stupid answers that they rely upon to make sense of the world. As such, the fail to make sense quite often.

 

[OscarLevant]

Ivanka Trump -140
Michelle Obama-130

Donald Trump -156
Barack Obama --145
Celebrity IQs That Are Truly Incredible

There is no evidence that Trump's IQ is 156.


I have never witnessed a person with a high IQ speak like someone at the 5th grade level, as does Trump.


I don't know exactly what the significance of scoring high on an IQ test is, or what it can predict, but it cannot measure situation awareness, which is inclusive of being aware of the underlying dynamics of the situation ( noting that for a president, these are complex ) and an IQ test cannot measure wisdom nor predict it.

These two qualities, which I would view important for a sitting president, are virtually absent in Donald Trump.

Therefore, IQ is of no importance.

"Intelligence", i.e., whatever it is that an IQ test is measuring, is not the thing.

Awareness and wisdom is the thing. Someone could have a high IQ and be a social cripple. Ever met
a total nerd who was like that? I.e., he is a wizard on the computer, but put him or her in a social setting, and you are embarrassed to even know the person.


One can possess a high IQ and have very little wisdom. I suspect Adolf Hitler had a high IQ. His architectural paintings don't belie stupidity.

But, was Hitler wise? I don't think anyone would characterize Hitler as a wise man.

Therefore, implying or outright asserting that "high IQ" is something we should use to measure a president is not wise.

IQ is not the thing, WISDOM is the thing.

 

[Excon]

Wow, I hate your racist bell curve.

1. You can hate whatever you want. That is on you. :shrug:
2. The bell curve is not racist. It may be racial, but it is not racist.

So, it's your opinion that the smartest black person only has an IQ in the 130s?

My opinion? No. I did not come up with the graph.
But I believe that line keeps going, so it does not suggest the 130's is the highest achieved, just there are just fewer black individuals as IQ increases. The same happens when comparing asians and whites, or don't you see that?

And, oh my, what a large intellectual leap is represented by Caucasians over Hispanics. How are you not ashamed to post such obvious, racist propaganda.

iLOL
You should be ashamed for spewing such nonsense. Your opinion here is off-the-deep-end.

I actually agree that IQ does not, necessarily, indicate one's ability to be good or decent.

That's great; So do I.
Which is why I posted the graph to remind the person what they were actually doing by saying what they did.

said However, education CAN help that and that's where Trump and the dull-witted right wing fail, not in potential but in applied intelligence. There are too many stupid answers that they rely upon to make sense of the world. As such, the fail to make sense quite often.

It seems you are projecting with this off-the-deep-end reply of yours.

 

[HumblePi]

Ivanka Trump -140
Michelle Obama-130

Donald Trump -156
Barack Obama --145
Celebrity IQs That Are Truly Incredible

The report of his IQ being 156 was reported by 'BeforeItsNews.com', a site a site consisting of anyone who wants to report on what’s going on around them - is full of illogical conclusions. Trump’s official school transcripts are not available, so it is impossible to know his actual scholastic aptitude scores. While the article’s author used Wharton’s general admission requirements to estimate Trump’s IQ, the math still doesn’t quite add up. Ff his SAT scores were available, which they weren't when he entered Wharton, it would be more acceptable to assume that his IQ was at least in the range of 145 and 149, not 156. But Trump didn't enter Wharton as a freshman. He transferred there his junior year, and Wharton does not list SAT scores among its requirements for transfer students.

Trump has repeatedly challenged people to IQ tests, but when someone once asked him to prove his own score, he simply replied: “The highest, a‑‑hole!” The Washington Post asked the White House whether it would share his IQ test results, if there are any, but got no immediate reply.

In 2006, a psychologist at the University of California at Davis applied a statistical algorithm to reams of presidential biographies, surveys, polls and other historical sources, and concluded that the smartest man to have occupied the White House was our sixth president, John Quincy Adams.

With an estimated IQ between 165 and 175, Adams was a genius by any common definition of the term. The second-smartest president in the study, by average score, was Thomas Jefferson — of the Declaration of Independence fame — followed by John F. Kennedy, who inspired his country to go to the moon.

Bill Clinton was the No. 4 White House genius, with an estimated IQ range between 136 and 159.

Trump does not appear to have ever specified his IQ. If he’s actually taken an IQ test, then why not report the results? I think we can guess why

 

[lwf]

The difference is, Donald Trump is an advocate of civil rights, western values, and constitutional government, whereas Hitler, much like Donald Trumps opposition, stood for secularism, socialism, and replacement of western values with absolute tyranny

Hitler didn't stand for those things. His goal was to make Germany a better place for Germans. He put Germans first. The conservatives loved him. He was willing to say things no one else was willing to say which drove his opponents crazy. He was willing to bend and break the rules in order to undermine an ineffective government that he saw as corrupt. He used propaganda that stirred up nationalism and xenophobia among the under-educated to consolidate power in order to take his believers into a future of a better Germany and a better world. It is those of us who disagree with him that interpret his peculiar brand of nationalism as tyranny. Didn't Donald Trump call himself a nationalist? Doesn't he put America first? Doesn't he spread debunked propaganda when it serves his purpose of frightening his base into believing that only he has a plan to save them? Wasn't xenophobia central to his campaign? Isn't that the whole reason for 'the wall?'

The difference is: Donald Trump doesn't have nearly enough charisma to be the kind of leader Hitler was. Hitler had a well thought out strategy. Trump "wings it." Hitler was an avid reader of political philosophy and a persuasive orator. Trump "doesn't read" throws twitter tantrums. Hitler's first two years are an opus on how to seize power. Trump's first two years have been a comedy of errors. They haven't even been ominous. They've been closer to an international embarrassment than anything else. Because of this his impact on society, while considerable, will be far less than Adolf Hitler's was. And thank god for that.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's a joke mate. But Trump certainly did boast that his IQ was 'one of the highest'- in a tweet.

Trump: "Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest -and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure,it's not your fault"

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/332308211321425920

that is funny-IMHO he clearly rates behind GHWB, Clinton, Nixon, Carter and probably Obama and Ford. I think Reagan and W would rate about even with him.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Hitler didn't stand for those things. His goal was to make Germany a better place for Germans. He put Germans first. The conservatives loved him. He was willing to say things no one else was willing to say which drove his opponents crazy. He was willing to bend and break the rules in order to undermine an ineffective government that he saw as corrupt. He used propaganda that stirred up nationalism and xenophobia among the under-educated to consolidate power in order to take his believers into a future of a better Germany and a better world. It is those of us who disagree with him that interpret his peculiar brand of nationalism as tyranny. Didn't Donald Trump call himself a nationalist? Doesn't he put America first? Doesn't he spread debunked propaganda when it serves his purpose of frightening his base into believing that only he has a plan to save them? Wasn't xenophobia central to his campaign? Isn't that the whole reason for 'the wall?'

The difference is: Donald Trump doesn't have nearly enough charisma to be the kind of leader Hitler was. Hitler had a well thought out strategy. Trump "wings it." Hitler was an avid reader of political philosophy and a persuasive orator. Trump "doesn't read" throws twitter tantrums. Hitler's first two years are an opus on how to seize power. Trump's first two years have been a comedy of errors. They haven't even been ominous. They've been closer to an international embarrassment than anything else. Because of this his impact on society, while considerable, will be far less than Adolf Hitler's was. And thank god for that.

Hitler's ideology was not "conservative" in any meaningful sense. His regime had full plans to dismantle christianity, eliminate the Catholic church, commit mass genocide in Eastern Europe, put all the means of production in the hands of the state. These are not "conservative" values. Joseph Stalin put the Soviet Union first, Pol Pot put his vision of Cambodia first, putting your country first means nothing in the left-right ideology.

An example of Conservative dictatorship would be Francisco Franco in Spain or General Pinochet in Chile, neither of these people were good, but they had nothing in common with the Nazis ideologically, typically a conservative doesn't mean to tear down the old order and rebuild a new one in it's place. Adolf Hitler was not rebuilding a germany of old based on tradition. He did not pledge to bring back the Kaiser, he didn't plan to install the Lutheran Church, he wanted it destroyed. He didn't believe in a germany, but a pan german socialist empire.