Hezbollah support increased due to Israeli tactics (1 Viewer)

[robin]

I just heard on the BBC how people that were not supporters of Hezbollah are now supporters because of Israel's murdering of civilians.
Just shows how pointless the loss of civilian life is, in fact worse than pointless & inhuman, it's totally counter productive & Israel's action will fan the flames of terrorism.

 

[LogicalReason]

Yep Israel blundered. Especially on the recent attack that killed 54 civilizians.

Lets hope that at least this crisis will force the world to deal with the problem that is Hezbollah.

 

[BudLizard101]

I just heard on the BBC how people that were not supporters of Hezbollah are now supporters because of Israel's murdering of civilians.
Just shows how pointless the loss of civilian life is, in fact worse than pointless & inhuman, it's totally counter productive & Israel's action will fan the flames of terrorism.

You are right. Let IDF soldiers get kidnapped and, as always, Israel shouldn't do anything about it because G-d forbid someone getting hurt in war.

What did you want Israel to do? Talk with them? Release terrorists so that HZ can kidnap more soldiers? Do you ever do anything else besides talk about how everything Israel does is wrong?

 

[robin]

You are right. Let IDF soldiers get kidnapped and, as always, Israel shouldn't do anything about it because G-d forbid someone getting hurt in war.

What did you want Israel to do? Talk with them? Release terrorists so that HZ can kidnap more soldiers? Do you ever do anything else besides talk about how everything Israel does is wrong?

Two Israeli soldiers kidnapped & so you kill 500 civilians !
What about the thousands of Palestinians you have in prison untried ?
What about the maps of your landmines in Lebanon requested by the Lebanese goverment yet not provided by you ?

I don't approve of Hezbollah launching rockets in to Israel but your response has been massively dissproportionate. We in the UK didn't bomb Ireland when the IRA were setting bombs off in the UK. Do you think we should have sent the RAF to bomb innocent civilians in Ireland ?
If we had then we'd have been behaving no better than the murderous terrorists would we ?

This attitude you have like Nazis that if they kill one or two of ours we kill 30 of theirs, is uncivilised & inhumane & fuels the cycle of violence & so is actually counter productive, because more Israelis may die as a result. Worse than that, the backlash could well spill over to Engilsh soil. My life is slightly at risk because of you 5uking total idiots & your rampaging elephant response in Lebanon. Thanks a bunch.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

You are right. Let IDF soldiers get kidnapped and, as always, Israel shouldn't do anything about it because G-d forbid someone getting hurt in war.

What did you want Israel to do? Talk with them? Release terrorists so that HZ can kidnap more soldiers? Do you ever do anything else besides talk about how everything Israel does is wrong?

Thats exactly it. Israel should allow the terrorist and the civilian population around them that supports them. To make as many attacks and incurrsions into it's country kidnapping and killing at will. There is no reason why Israel should retailiatein anyway. The terrorist and the civilians that allow them to operate, hide and exsist in the midst are just innocent bystander terrorist that allow themselves to be made into shields.

 

[Captain America]

The terrorists have no qualms about killing Isreali civillians. In fact, that's who they intentionally target. If Lebanon wants to prevent civillian casualties, all the civillians have to do is get rid of Hezbollah themselves. Instead, they support them. They made their bed. Now they get to sleep in it.

 

[Gardener]

This attitude you have like Nazis

Ironic that you mention the word Nazis, considering the fact that your postings often elicit huzzahs from Auftrag.

Don't know how this could have escaped you, but the main target of the Nazis and your own main target are the same.

 

[Red_Dave]

You are right. Let IDF soldiers get kidnapped and, as always, Israel shouldn't do anything about it because G-d forbid someone getting hurt in war.

What did you want Israel to do? Talk with them? Release terrorists so that HZ can kidnap more soldiers? Do you ever do anything else besides talk about how everything Israel does is wrong?

Of course Israel could always follow the more traditional model of warfare in which you fight your enemy rather then blowing noncombatants to kingdom come. Couldnt they just invade southern lebannon and take out the terroists themselves rather then just flattening the rough area they think the terroists are in?

 

[AlbqOwl]

1. Article after article has been printed and posted that supports the evidence that Hezbelloah (and other terrorist) tactics uses women and children (and UN workers) as shields.

2. How do you tell the difference between a fighter/terrorist who wears no uniform and a civilian?

3. Why have the terrorists not moved their women and children out of harms way, especially when they are firing rockets knowing full well there will be return fire? Why are there no clearly military targets on the Hezbollah side as they fire 90 to 100 or more rockets at Israel every day?

4. There has never been a war fought in the history of civilization in which there have not been innocents killed, errors in judgment, misidentified targets, mistakes, and other blunders. Such things are absolutely without exception going to happen in the conduct of war. That is what makes war so terrible, unconscionable, indefensible, and stupid. Nevertheless. . .

5. If it is your country being shelled with 90 to 100 rockets every day, all aimed not at military targets but into civililian neighborhoods with no concern for whole gets hurt or killed, what do you do to defend yourself?

Some say it isn't fair--don't you just love that word?--that ten are being killed on the Lebanon side for every one on the Israeli side. But Israelis dont make intentional targets of their civilians and take measures to protect their people. The fact that Hezbollah doesn't give a damn about their women and children, puts them at deliberate risk, doesn't move their rocket launchers to places where women and children aren't, and makes no apparent effort to protect the innocent make Hezbollah the bad guys any way you want to picture this. I think there is good reason to think Hezbollah may be shelling its own fleeing citizens so that they can accuse Israel of war crimes and atrocities.

Unless one is willing to look at all components of this and is willing to at least think hard about No. 5 above, there is no moral authority to criticize Israel here.

 

[robin]

Ironic that you mention the word Nazis, considering the fact that your postings often elicit huzzahs from Auftrag.

Don't know how this could have escaped you, but the main target of the Nazis and your own main target are the same.

You conveniently ignore the fact that I'm also targetting Nazis & you conveniently ignore these two questions:
What about the thousands of Palestinians you have in prison untried ?
What about the maps of your landmines in Lebanon requested by the Lebanese goverment yet not provided by you ?

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Of course Israel could always follow the more traditional model of warfare in which you fight your enemy rather then blowing noncombatants to kingdom come. Couldnt they just invade southern lebannon and take out the terroists themselves rather then just flattening the rough area they think the terroists are in?

Exactly how do you make the distinction between the terrorist and the people that allow them to exsist and operate within there midst. Allowing themselves to be used as human shields. This seems that it makes those people as culpable as the people pulling the trigger.

It would seem that these "noncombatants" as you call them. Have the ability if not the duty to hinder the firing of rockets and explosives from there homes and towns. Donot allow these people to use your vilage or town as cover. Do not assist them in there efforts with silence or apethetic attitudes. They hold the power to secure there homes and lives. Yet they seem more then willingto be used by these animals as bait and propaganda.

 

[Red_Dave]

Exactly how do you make the distinction between the terrorist and the people that allow them to exsist and operate within there midst. Allowing themselves to be used as human shields. This seems that it makes those people as culpable as the people pulling the trigger.

It would seem that these "noncombatants" as you call them. Have the ability if not the duty to hinder the firing of rockets and explosives from there homes and towns. Donot allow these people to use your vilage or town as cover. Do not assist them in there efforts with silence or apethetic attitudes. They hold the power to secure there homes and lives. Yet they seem more then willingto be used by these animals as bait and propaganda.

Am i right in thinking Isreal has just invaded?

Anyhow what makes you think local people are able to stop those fireing the rockets? Ild imagine the terroists are heavily armed and quite hard to take on, espicially by unarmed civillians.Alot of those killed are small chilldren so personally i dont think they can be blamed.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Am i right in thinking Isreal has just invaded?

Anyhow what makes you think local people are able to stop those fireing the rockets? Ild imagine the terroists are heavily armed and quite hard to take on, espicially by unarmed civillians.Alot of those killed are small chilldren so personally i dont think they can be blamed.

Addmitedly I have never been to Lebanon or the ME. But my immpression is nobody is unamrmed. There are more AK-47 in the ME then any other area in the entire world..

These animals need the assistance of the covilian population. Without it they could not exsist. There would be no aid, food, medical, money, rest..... They live among the people they are using. I have a hard time believing that these people see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. With all thats going on around them, much is not being said. Alert authorities, assist in making things better. If Hebollah was to turn against the people they are hiding amongst they know they wouldn't have anyplace to hide. If the government has accurate information and refuse to assist. Then the people need to take up against the government. How long are they going to allow people that have no concern for there well being stay in control of there destiny

 

[Vader]

I just heard on the BBC how people that were not supporters of Hezbollah are now supporters because of Israel's murdering of civilians.
Just shows how pointless the loss of civilian life is, in fact worse than pointless & inhuman, it's totally counter productive & Israel's action will fan the flames of terrorism.

Ok. Mr. Crackhead... just hold it right there.

1.) Israel did not muder any civilians
2.) Hezbollah is a terrorist group that hides among civilians
3.) You're a terrorist-lover
4.) There would be no conflict IF HEZBOLLAH HAD NOT ATTACKED ISRAEL
5.) Seek therapy.

:rofl

 

[Vader]

Two Israeli soldiers kidnapped & so you kill 500 civilians !
What about the thousands of Palestinians you have in prison untried ?
What about the maps of your landmines in Lebanon requested by the Lebanese goverment yet not provided by you ?

I don't approve of Hezbollah launching rockets in to Israel but your response has been massively dissproportionate. We in the UK didn't bomb Ireland when the IRA were setting bombs off in the UK. Do you think we should have sent the RAF to bomb innocent civilians in Ireland ?
If we had then we'd have been behaving no better than the murderous terrorists would we ?

This attitude you have like Nazis that if they kill one or two of ours we kill 30 of theirs, is uncivilised & inhumane & fuels the cycle of violence & so is actually counter productive, because more Israelis may die as a result. Worse than that, the backlash could well spill over to Engilsh soil. My life is slightly at risk because of you 5uking total idiots & your rampaging elephant response in Lebanon. Thanks a bunch.

Quit whining and stop supporting terrorists. You are brainwashed and are doing nothing but making yourself look like a terrorist's puppet. Kindly shut up and please STOP SUPPORTING TERRORISTS.

:doh

 

[AlbqOwl]

Quit whining and stop supporting terrorists. You are brainwashed and are doing nothing but making yourself look like a terrorist's puppet. Kindly shut up and please STOP SUPPORTING TERRORISTS.

:doh

Well I don't know who is and isn't brainwashed here, but otherwise AMEN!

From my own notes here’’s the sequence of events as I understand them.

July 12, 2006 - Hezbollah terrorists crossed the Lebanon/Israli border to enter Israel and attack an Isreli army patrol. Three Israeli soldiers are killed and two soldiers are kidnapped. At the same time, Hezbollah fired several rockets into northern Israel.

In the immediately following days, Israel carried out massive but selective bombing and artillery shelling of Lebanon taking out weapon stockpiles and hitting Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut. Israel demanded that Hezbollah release its two soldiers and cease hositlities.

Hezbollah responded by firing hundreds more rockets and have continued to fire up to 100 or more rockets indiscriminatley into Israeli populated areas almost every day since.

Israel continues to attempt to seek out and destroy those rocket launchers, the rockets, and/or those using them.

And so it began. And so it has continued with the UN, most of the Middle East, and the leftwing media lining up in support of Hezbollah or at least against Israel.

This would be over today if the other ME countries would gang up on Hezbollah, tell them to return the soldiers and signal they are permanently terminating hostilities. Then, assuming Hezbollah complies, if Israel continued the bombing, gang up on Israel.

Right now, I think Israel holds the moral authority in this conflict, and if they are the first to capitulate, Hezbollah's terrorist tactics come out the victor. Any way I can look at it, that would be a bad thing and a sure recipe for more bloodshed to come.