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Hey remember the "trump is a russian asset " narrative?

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?
 

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Seems you are making up a narrative that barely was used (I don't recall it all). The accusation was that Putin wanted Trump because he would weaken US alliances in Europe and cause division in our own country. That was mostly a success.
 

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Dumb Liberals are lovely people . They respect their title .

Dumb.
 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?
Nope. You're either lying or highly misinformed.

With Trump, Putin didn't have to invade Ukraine. Trump did Putin's dirty work for him. Putin owns Trump
 
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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?

man, this is an embarrassing moronic trolling post. Trump lifted Russia Sanction, blackmailed Ukraine to prevent weapons, praised Putin constantly, tried to pull US out of NATO, pissed off our Allies, and even when Putin started invading, Trump praised Putin

All facts proving your post is complete crap. Once again, I don't understand why the forum allows such obvious, moronic trolling
 

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tried to pull US out of NATO, pissed off our Allies

Trump did everything in his power to get the other NATO countries to start spending their own money to defend themselves. A couple of years ago, it was discovered that Germany only had three jets that were in flying condition. An Air Force with THREE jets? Trump postured about pulling out of NATO because the other countries were allowing us to pay for everything. Trying to say that Trump was for weakening our military does not make sense...
 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?
NONE....he did not have Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine. Nobody claimed that.

Putin helped Trump get elected because a lapdog sitting in the WH would weaken America and would weaken American values in the world, a task Trump was born for. As for Ukraine specifically, Trump attempting to use Ukraine as nothing more than a tool for his own personal use to maintain power in the US certainly did result in leaving the impression that Ukraine was in fact nothing more than a tool for Trump and Putin to play with and not a sovereign state which EXACTLY parrots Putin's line.
 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?
No I do not remember this but it sure would have made life easier for Putin if Trump were president now, wouldn't it?

Yes it would.
 
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Trump did everything in his power to get the other NATO countries to start spending their own money to defend themselves. A couple of years ago, it was discovered that Germany only had three jets that were in flying condition. An Air Force with THREE jets? Trump postured about pulling out of NATO because the other countries were allowing us to pay for everything. Trying to say that Trump was for weakening our military does not make sense...
He tried to weaken NATO, he strained relationship with our allies. It's semantics to say it was just about about the funding, yes technically true, but his actions was to weaken NATO and our relationship with Allies. Putin wanted Trump president, because he was pro Russia, its undeniable. And most all Trump did was pro Russia, no matter what no credibility partisan hacks have to say about how Trump was tough against Russia, its a joke.


 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?
Did Trump purposely weak US and European ties, try to get US support for NATO weakened, and create division with the country at the behest of Putin?
The answer is yes to all three.
Would not be surprised to see Trump run in 2024 under a Putin/Trump 2024 ticket.
 

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The former guy is still a Russian asset albeit less useful than he was before he lost the election. It's the same thing as a useful idiot. Add Carlson and Bannon to the mix as well
 

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What's Rasmussen's take on it?
 

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Trump did everything in his power to get the other NATO countries to start spending their own money to defend themselves. A couple of years ago, it was discovered that Germany only had three jets that were in flying condition. An Air Force with THREE jets? Trump postured about pulling out of NATO because the other countries were allowing us to pay for everything. Trying to say that Trump was for weakening our military does not make sense...
All of which played into Trump's America First narrative which is really an America Only narrative. Entirely wrongheaded.

What Trump never came to terms with is that all of the NATO members kept up their membership dues. Yes many did not plow enough money into their non-member sovereign defense spending. Really does not change anything. If NATO countries do plow more into their non-member sovereign defense budgets great...certainly seems to be what they are doing now that the wolf is right at their door.

We have been the West's arsenal since WW1, clearly since WW2. We depended on our NATO allies more for intelligence, primarily human intelligence which we have never been good at. Virtually all of Europe is better at human intelligence than we are and the Russians are the best in the world at it. Russia has been at it longer than anybody else and Europe has been at it far far longer than the United States. It was a fair tradeoff IMO.
 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?

I see what you did there. You're a clever boy. Just not that clever.
 

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Trump did everything in his power to get the other NATO countries to start spending their own money to defend themselves. A couple of years ago, it was discovered that Germany only had three jets that were in flying condition. An Air Force with THREE jets? Trump postured about pulling out of NATO because the other countries were allowing us to pay for everything. Trying to say that Trump was for weakening our military does not make sense...
Yet, Biden didn't have to demand a thing....Germany just doubled their military budget and NATO is united. Trump demonized and wanted to leave NATO. Do you really think that would have been a brilliant idea?
 

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Trump did everything in his power to get the other NATO countries to start spending their own money to defend themselves. A couple of years ago, it was discovered that Germany only had three jets that were in flying condition. An Air Force with THREE jets? Trump postured about pulling out of NATO because the other countries were allowing us to pay for everything. Trying to say that Trump was for weakening our military does not make sense...
Trump's posturing and insults alienated our allies. You can't insult people and then expect them to support you. Unless one of your insult targets is Ted Cruz.

Also please share a link to support your assertion about Germany.
 
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Did Trump purposely weak US and European ties, try to get US support for NATO weakened, and create division with the country at the behest of Putin?
The answer is yes to all three.
Would not be surprised to see Trump run in 2024 under a Putin/Trump 2024 ticket.
And sadly would have a shot with the deplorables…
 

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If Trump somehow gets elected President again, Putin is going to have a friend in the White House,

CNN reports, "It's not just that Donald Trump recently hailed the "genius" of Putin's strike against Ukraine. Since his political career began, Trump has backed Putin in ways connected directly to the Russian's quest to subjugate that country.

"Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine the following year. Protests in Kyiv had forced a Kremlin ally to quit the presidency. The ousted president, who fled to Russia, had been advised by an American political consultant. That consultant, Paul Manafort, subsequently became Trump's 2016 campaign manager.

"Candidate Trump spoke forgivingly about Russia's violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. He mused about lifting sanctions to smooth relations with Putin."

"The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were," Trump told ABC News in July 2016. That had been Putin's justification for the invasion.

CNN continued, "President Trump sought to undo one punishment imposed on Putin by proposing that Russia rejoin the G7, an organization of the world's major industrial economies.

"His administration implemented some new sanctions on Russia at the insistence of national security officials and Congress. Trump himself objected. In almost every case, the sanctions were imposed with Trump complaining about it and saying we were being too hard," his former national security adviser John Bolton.

"Trump cast doubt on America's decades-old commitment to defending European partners in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Aides feared he might try to withdraw from NATO if he won a second term.

"He fomented discord at home, advancing Putin's objective of sapping American resolve. "Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people," his former Defense Secretary James Mattis said in 2020.

"Trump shielded Russia from opprobrium. Echoing Russian propaganda, he led fellow Republicans in smearing Ukraine by falsely suggesting that Kyiv rather than Moscow had interfered in the 2016 US presidential election."

At Helsinki Trump rejected American intelligence and accepted Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election.

Putin isn't to blame for the war in Ukraine, according to Trump. Biden is.

'While we need to help stop this brutal invasion, we also have to clean out the rot of our failed foreign policy establishment -- it is indeed rotten to the core -- before these total lunatics lead us down the path of national ruin and World War III," Trump said at a recent rally in South Carolina.
 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?
No I don't remember that specific claim
 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?
I don't remember, you have a link to refresh my memory per chance?
 

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You remember right? Putin had Trump installed so he could invade Ukraine.
whew boy ,how many dumb liberals have had that one shoved up their (bleeps)?

Trump was there to undermine the Western alliance, which he did at every opportunity.
 

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Commies, commies. Let’s take second to dispense with the propaganda. Trump encouraged NATO countries to spend MORE on defense.Not less.
OK, continue the attempts to trash Trump. Next?
 

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Seems you are making up a narrative that barely was used (I don't recall it all). The accusation was that Putin wanted Trump because he would weaken US alliances in Europe and cause division in our own country. That was mostly a success.
Thus making him a great asset for Putin.
 
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