Hey libs if capitalism is evil

[apdst]

Yes, because that statement is a gross distortion of the values of all three that you named.

How so?

 

[Gaius46]

Capitalism is the economic opposite of socialism. Most countries have varying degrees of capitalism and socialism in their economies but the US is more capitalist than socialist. In the EU, countries are more socialist than capitalist. How much capitalism is in Venezuela's socialist economy? Less than countries of the EU. Therefore, we can conclude Venezuela has very little capitalism in its economy. I don't think there is an economy in the world that is pure capitalist (IMO, closest would be Russia, for example) nor pure socialist (IMO, closest would be Venezuela, for example).

I don't disagree and actually thought about mentioning that in my response but decided against it because I thought it'd muddy the waters. Venezuela is not representative of a well run state period so drawing conclusions about socialism based on Venezuela alone is silly. Portugal presents itself as a socialist state - at least based on their constitution. I don't know much about the country aside from that and the fact that it looks to be very well run and the people largely prosperous and happy. Putting aside the issue of crossing the Atlantic and language (Portuguese is similar enough to Spanish that Central American refugees would have a much easier time assimilating) it would more reasonable compare the US and Portugal if you really wanted to compare with economic system a refugee would be better off under.

 

[Rich2018]

Hey libs if capitalism is evil and socialism wonderful, why isnt the caravan heading to Venezuela????????????

Don't you listen to your OWN president ?

The caravans are full of evil people, rapists, drug dealers and terrorists....why wouldn't they want to come to America ?


/sarcasm.

 

[freeandclear]

Capitalism is the economic opposite of socialism. Most countries have varying degrees of capitalism and socialism in their economies but the US is more capitalist than socialist. In the EU, countries are more socialist than capitalist. How much capitalism is in Venezuela's socialist economy? Less than countries of the EU. Therefore, we can conclude Venezuela has very little capitalism in its economy. I don't think there is an economy in the world that is pure capitalist (IMO, closest would be Russia, for example) nor pure socialist (IMO, closest would be Venezuela, for example).

Yo give a very interesting review and then ind Russia with its state permed natural resources companies, television stations, etc to be capitalist?

[emoji848]

 

[Logical1]

Yes, because that statement is a gross distortion of the values of all three that you named.

So tell us how it is a distortion.

 

[Myview]

Hey libs if capitalism is evil and socialism wonderful, why isnt the caravan heading to Venezuela???????????? Why did all the libs say if President Trump won that were going to move to Canada. Why didnt they head south to Venezuela?? They could have taken a few dogs with them so they could have something to eat!!!!!

I don't care if Conservatives spew ridiculous comparisons and equivalencies. Capitalism is not evil, free markets are not evil, and pairing them with social programs is not evil. We already have Capitalism paired with social programs. America's government has not taken over the means of production nor will it ever do so no matter what party has the levers of government.

 

[Gaius46]

Venezuala's problems are absolutely a result of socialism.

How so? They are blessed with abundant natural resources - oil - but from what I've read those have been mismanaged and the government, since at least the time of Chavez, corrupt. That would seem to indicate that socialism isn't their problem. As well I pointed out in another response that Portugal, which considers itself socialist, is a prosperous state and most EU countries have some socialist tendencies.

Don't get me wrong I don't care for socialism - in it's purest form it doesn't respect property rights which I think are the single most important rights anyone can have and I think that the free market generally produces better outcomes for everyone, but that doesn't mean people can't live happy, prosperous lives under socialist systems.

 

[OscarLevant]

Hey libs if capitalism is evil and socialism wonderful, why isnt the caravan heading to Venezuela???????????? Why did all the libs say if President Trump won that were going to move to Canada. Why didnt they head south to Venezuela?? They could have taken a few dogs with them so they could have something to eat!!!!!

As a liberal and knowing many liberals I know of no one who is completely anti-capitalist and for totalitarianism socialism. So please avoid the strawman in your future arguments. what most liberals I know want is capitalism for wanrs and socialism for needs, a blend of the two systems

The people fleeing Honduras Guatemala and El Salvador are fleeing to a place where life would be safer for their children and Venezuela would not be that. The political system has nothing to do with that migration

For someone who claims to be logical I have yet to see a logical post from you

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So tell us how it is a distortion.

Because all three of them recognize that we are a capitalist country and generally speaking, what they talk about is pretty much what FDR actually DID during the New Deal era.
Even Mike Wallace made reference to it in a 1959 CBS interview with Ayn Rand, in which he talked about "our modified, regulated capitalist system".
He was referring to the fact that our system was harnessed as a tool to serve working people and working families first and foremost.
Naturally, anyone who knows the America of 1959 knows it was the most prosperous time for American working people in the entire history of the world.

We were the top of the heap in terms of wage stability and job security, upward mobility, affordable cost of living, affordable health care, higher education and overall middle class affluence, and to pretend that the modifications made to our capitalist system of that time were not minor socialist tweaks is foolishness.

America will never become a socialist country for the simple reason that, for the most part, capitalism has served it well for 242 years. However, during those times where capitalism failed the majority of Americans, the natural reaction was to embed regulatory fixes which amount to a certain amount of hybrid-socialism resulting in a capitalist system which was regulated to protect working people. Those fixes didn't turn the country socialist, the regulations were borrowed from socialist formulas and applied to the capitalist economy. And there was still a bumper crop of filthy rich Americans walking around enjoying their well earned gains and rewards, as always.

In nature, genetic purity is a recipe for guaranteed destabilization of the species, and deterioration in health, most often manifested by profound birth defects. Nature supports introduction of new genetic material.
In economics, it is much the same, the so called "mutt" or hybrid is stronger and more robust.

The only socialism one ever sees in the United States is the public sector, public schools, federally administered highway systems, fire departments, all of the public goods and services that provide a social contract for Americans by way of the taxes that they pay.

We do not have any frame of reference for a socialist economy, thus it is rather a safe bet we will always be capitalist.
However, the capitalism we see now may very well change in the future, and it is likely to change for the better.

 

[Irwin Corey]

First Venezuela is a totalitarian dictatorship masquerading as socialism.

Secondly there’s a huge difference between pure socialism and having a social safety net in place to help people when in need and make sure they have the infrastructure and educational opportunities that create a strong middle class. A mix of capitalism and socialism like we had coming out of the Depression and War II was what made America the Great Nation you’re all nostalgic for.

 

[lurchadams]

Hey libs if capitalism is evil and socialism wonderful, why isnt the caravan heading to Venezuela???????????? Why did all the libs say if President Trump won that were going to move to Canada. Why didnt they head south to Venezuela?? They could have taken a few dogs with them so they could have something to eat!!!!!

I think capitalism is great. I love it when my company's stock price goes up. I voted for Obama and Hillary. You don't have a clue about which you speak.

 

[Logical1]

For the young leftist that probably dont know it since they were not taught it in school, until the socialist took over Venezuela some years back they had the fourth or fifth best economy in the world. That is what socialism does to a country. Venezuela is absolutely a modern day lesson in why socialism DONT WORK.

 

[noonereal]

I would be willing to put my IQ up against yours any day.

LOL, this is one of those, "if you only knew" LOL

 

[cabse5]

Yo give a very interesting review and then ind Russia with its state permed natural resources companies, television stations, etc to be capitalist?

[emoji848]

One could even equate Russia to being fascist even with the charade of national elections every so often.

An oligarchy controls most of the economy in Russia. That economy not controlled by the oligarchy is close to pure capitalism, IMO, so it is definitely not socialist.
I mean, what would the political morals of Russia be if socialist? An oligarchy has their hands in everything that matters...socialism sucks?

 

[cabse5]

For the young leftist that probably dont know it since they were not taught it in school, until the socialist took over Venezuela some years back they had the fourth or fifth best economy in the world. That is what socialism does to a country. Venezuela is absolutely a modern day lesson in why socialism DONT WORK.

I mean, if you wanted to take lessons on which economies were 'bad' economies by their performances and what was done to turn them around, why don't you use the pure capitalist American economy during the beginning of the great depression and the socialism that took America, through fits and starts, out of that great depression?

I think the lesson is: don't stick to a pure economic ideology if things aren't working well and don't stick to the different, pure economic ideology is things are working great ('cause things will turn poorly, wait and see).

 

[Logical1]

Really funny how all the libs here run like scared rats from a great example of what socialism does to a country like Venezuela.

Thats your socialism embrace it and and see how ignorant you look.

 

[srexob715]

Really funny how all the libs here run like scared rats from a great example of what socialism does to a country like Venezuela.

Thats your socialism embrace it and and see how ignorant you look.

Says the person who doesn't know what socialism is! LMAO!

 

[Tangmo]

Personal attacks indicate you have nothing to add.

Zero added to zero equals zero.

So there's nothing to work with here. Anything added is a plus actually.

We're trying to help. I say this as one capitalist to another capitalist. Bro. So kindly stop embarrassing me thx.

 

[Acadia]

Hey libs if capitalism is evil and socialism wonderful, why isnt the caravan heading to Venezuela???????????? Why did all the libs say if President Trump won that were going to move to Canada. Why didnt they head south to Venezuela?? They could have taken a few dogs with them so they could have something to eat!!!!!

The caravans are coming because Trump's economy is so good-because we are capitalists. Of course they're not heading towards other s-holes.