For everyone so confident about this display of justice:Trajan Octavian Titus said:May god have mercy on his soul.
I only feel safer when Bush allows a mentally retarded person to be executed.:roll:mixedmedia said:For everyone so confident about this display of justice:
Do you feel safer this morning?
And what ya gonna go out and blow your saved tax pennies on?
Haven't you heard. We have been killing kids...in Iraq. I've felt much safer since that's been going on.Billo_Really said:Not me. I'm holding out until we start killing kids before I feel safe.
mixedmedia said:For everyone so confident about this display of justice:
Do you feel safer this morning?
And what ya gonna go out and blow your saved tax pennies on?
Cremaster77 said:Haven't you heard. We have been killing kids...in Iraq. I've felt much safer since that's been going on.
Read the whole article here.Tookie goes Hollywood
by Joseph C. Phillips
December 12, 2005
Stephen Jones, author of Seven Secrets of How to Study, recently attended the National Society of Black Engineers (NSBE) conference in Boston, which boosted attendance of over 8,000 African American students. Sadly, no television reporters attended to tell about the good news.
"African Americans must start a revolution that will not be televised," Jones says.
Dr. Jones and many others agree that the media will only show up in the Black community, if there is a crime or an FBI investigation. "There were over 8,000 potential college graduates doing good things for their colleges and local community and it was not breaking news," Jones says.
Standing outside the walls of San Quentin prison, the rapper Snoop Dogg urged California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to grant clemency to convicted murderer Stan "Tookie" Williams. Williams, the co founder of the notorious street gang the Crips, was convicted and sentenced to death for the 1979 slayings of Albert Owens, Yen-I Yang, his wife, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, and their daughter, Yu-Chin Yang Lin.
"Stanley `Tookie' Williams is not just a regular old guy, he's an inspirator. His voice needs to be heard." Snoop, Mike Farrell, Danny Glover, Jamie Foxx and the other celebrity voices now raised in support of Williams offer a clear picture of the distorted moral vision of the Hollywood left. It is a vision that finds virtue contemptible and props up homicidal maniacs who write bad children's books as role models for the masses.
The portrayal of Williams as some pied piper of peace for the gang community also holds very little water. A quick review of Book Scan shows the Tookie series of books have hardly been blockbusters. His top seller, "Gangs and Violence" has sold 330 books. Another book "Gangs and Wanting to Belong" sold exactly two copies. No one is reading his books, least of all his two sons, one of whom is serving time in San Quentin.
On Sunday Nov. 13, one week before the "Save Tookie" rally at San Quentin, 14-year-old William Cox and a friend were attending a neighborhood carnival when they were gunned down by a man who mistook them for rival gang members. Cox, who was not in a gang, was struck in the chest and died at the scene. That is the evil wrought by Stanley Williams!
Of course Snoop and Danny Glover did not hold a rally for William Cox. His death went unnoticed by the Hollywood commissars of compassion. They were too busy trying to save the life of a cold-blooded killer to notice one more young life snuffed out by gang violence. That tells you all you need to know about the corrupt vision the Hollywood left has for America.
Ah, it only took 7 posts before the Tookie Williams thread became a Hate Bush thread.Cremaster77 said:Haven't you heard. We have been killing kids...in Iraq. I've felt much safer since that's been going on.
Well ya know there a connection between Iraq and everything else in the world.KCConservative said:
And why not? You people are gloating about this guys death as if it actually means something. No wonder people get pissed. Your not helping.
I'd prefer to win...FinnMacCool said:
Who's gloating, I mean I supported the decision to put him to death for his hanous crimes but I still hopes he finds forgiveness, ever hear of Barabis?FinnMacCool said:
Still has nothing to do with Iraq or your hatred for the president. And you're welcome to show where I gloated. I oppose the death penalty, Finn. Thanks for playing.FinnMacCool said:
The only reason it cost more money to have him executed was because the California judicial system is so screwed up that it took ten odd years of him sitting on death row with a seeminly endless amount of appeals.galenrox said:But what difference does killing him make? Has he continued killing since he's been in prison? Do people still live in fear of him while he's been in prison?
The fact is in this particular case his execution has done more harm to this society than good, considering for the last several years he has been doing good, and now he's not.
I mean, what could possibly be more effective at reaching kids who're thinking of joining a gang than a man who very clearly has street credit and started one of the most notorious gangs coming out and saying that you need to put down the gun and pick up a book? But no, we don't consider the actual pragmatism behind the situation, we need revenge!
And by the way, mixedmedia mentioned that you saved a few tax pennies in executing him, you actually spent quite a few more dollars in having him executed, you would've saved quite a bit if you'd left him in jail for the rest of his life.
Barabas, you mean? The man who was granted clemency instead of Jesus? I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning.Trajan Octavian Titus said:Who's gloating, I mean I supported the decision to put him to death for his hanous crimes but I still hopes he finds forgiveness, ever hear of Barabis?
It looks like he skipped the "last meal".Loxd4 said:hey what was Stanley Williams last qoute and meal?
REPORTER: What have you thought about doing in your last 24 hours? Who do you want there? What about your last meal, Stanley?
STANLEY TOOKIE WILLIAMS: I accept no last meal. I don’t want anyone to be there. Who would I possibly want to see me die?
ya but he was a major contributer to the problem in the first place, it's like saying that if Hussein decided to turn over a new leaf right now and started denouncing terrorism that we should just let him off the hook for the millions that he's slaughtered. Well that's probably not a good example I mean they gave Arafat the noble peace prize.:roll:galenrox said:Oh yeah, those damn Californians, you know, wanting to take every last step to make sure that they don't allow the state to kill innocent civilians, oh those crazy bastards!
As pertaining to your question, I don't know, it is my opinion that that is between him and God, and if he has done enough, and was truely remorseful for what he did, he's in heaven right now, and if not, well, at least he's black and thus better suited for the climate (I'm KIDDING!!!)
But we need to face the situation pragmatically, not ideologically, and pragmatically, we have a major problem as a society, and he was helping in our attempts to solve that problem.
Yeah. I don't see how Tookie and Bush are related subjects. Just more leftist spin.KCConservative said:
Guess you should ask that to the families wether it makes a difference. This may be closure for them after he stole the lives of there family members. Cost is another reason. Why should I have to pay to keep this guy in 3 hits and cot for the rest of his life. He pretty much disregaurded a major social rule in our society. If he is incapable of being part of society I see no reason we should have to continue to care for himgalenrox said:But what difference does killing him make? Has he continued killing since he's been in prison? Do people still live in fear of him while he's been in prison?
HE MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE< HE WAS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDERS OF MANY MANY MANY MORE. He NEVER Appologized for his crime or showed remorse for what he did. He wrote some worthless ass books. Yet he never attempted to help authorities bring down the monster he helped create. His kind of good I think we can survive without.galenrox said:The fact is in this particular case his execution has done more harm to this society than good, considering for the last several years he has been doing good, and now he's not.
How would he know, he has never ever accepted responsibility for killing those people. You want to help? Help go after those that are running it now. Sorry his great literary mind is lost, im sure those that he murdered execution style are real sad about itgalenrox said:I mean, what could possibly be more effective at reaching kids who're thinking of joining a gang than a man who very clearly has street credit and started one of the most notorious gangs coming out and saying that you need to put down the gun and pick up a book? But no, we don't consider the actual pragmatism behind the situation, we need revenge!
Because we allowed a man that was utterly and completely guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt play the system for 33 years. He should have gotten a single appeal and then they should have started saving the taxpayers money right there. Get closure for the family and victims.galenrox said:And by the way, mixedmedia mentioned that you saved a few tax pennies in executing him, you actually spent quite a few more dollars in having him executed, you would've saved quite a bit if you'd left him in jail for the rest of his life.
galenrox said:Right. Dude, you're a conservative, and thus you understand the importance of governing with logic, not emotion, so why in the hell would we ask the people who absolutely cannot think about this issue objectively to decide on that?
galenrox said:And he is incapable of participating in society, hmmm? Gosh, if there was only a place where you could put people outside of society, where they are held with other people deemed incapable of participating in society. Can you think of a place like that?
galenrox said:What are we, in fourth grade TO THE EXTREME? "You didn't say you're sorry, so we're gonna kill you!" As far as the gravity of his offenses, you don't have to convince me, we're in full agreement that his crimes are unforgivable, except between him and the Lord. What I'm saying is killing him is a waste of time, money, and other resources.
galenrox said:Also, by the same logic, many people will die because of people of your opinion. Because he was convincing some kids to stay out of gangs, and those efforts were quite abruptly halted, thus meaning because of this more kids will join gangs, and kill more people or get killed themselves.
:bravo: Good job!
galenrox said:But once again, at least we got to kill a guy, that's good, right?:roll:
galenrox said:I think you and I both know that the people who he murdered have no opinion on the matter, so your assumptions about the opinions of the dead are kind of ridiculous.
galenrox said:You know what would've assured closure quicker? Life in prison without possibility of parole. 4 consecutive life sentences, you know why that would work? Because they wouldn't have to keep worrying about the appeals, they wouldn't have to keep waiting for his execution. With 4 conseucutive life sentences, you're not getting out of jail, you're gonna be there until you die.
And he was in San Quinten, it's not like it's a little cushy resort.
In this case I don't think it is Justice. If your willing to snatch someones life from them for your own enjoyment. Then you should be willing to pay for it with your own. Society as a whole lost nothing but a liability and an expenditure.galenrox said:Life in prison is justice, take away his life as he knows it. Killing him is just revenge for the blood thirsty.