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I never claimed it was not. They are however expanding the rights of the fetus that some are claiming are nonexistentAbortion is legal in all those states
I never claimed it was not. They are however expanding the rights of the fetus that some are claiming are nonexistentAbortion is legal in all those states
They are shrinking the time window in which a woman may legally kill her mates offspring with impunity. The fetus or whatever you want to call it is under the protection of the states protection once the heartbeat begins.OK what rights do those states grant?
so in reality they are nonexistent and the fetus still has no rights.I never claimed it was not. They are however expanding the rights of the fetus that some are claiming are nonexistent
So no rights only bull crap assertions.They are shrinking the time window in which a woman may legally kill her mates offspring with impunity. The fetus or whatever you want to call it is under the protection of the states protection once the heartbeat begins.
Can't give you specific ordinances but if you harm a fetus you are charged with harming the fetus not harming the woman. That distinction illustrates that the state is protecting the interests of the fetus. The fetus, according to the state, has a right to live.so in reality they are nonexistent and the fetus still has no rights.
Unless yo can list those bills/laws granting the fetus rights and what those rights are it has none
Do you deny that they have shortened the window the woman has to select to kill the mans baby?So no rights only bull crap assertions.
You ****ing lied about fetal rights and now that you got caught with that moronic lie are changing the topic.Do you deny that they have shortened the window the woman has to select to kill the mans baby?
I have not lied. Calling facts you don't like lies only diminishes your credibility.You ****ing lied about fetal rights and now that you got caught with that moronic lie are changing the topic.
I guess lacking integrity is part of your rights.
Of course you lied. You claimed fetuses have rights and can not provide anything to support it. That is lying and now are further lying because I have not dismissed anything.I have not lied. Calling facts you don't like lies only diminishes your credibility.
So you cant provide proof of the fetus having any factual rights.Can't give you specific ordinances but if you harm a fetus you are charged with harming the fetus not harming the woman. That distinction illustrates that the state is protecting the interests of the fetus. The fetus, according to the state, has a right to live.
The state is not protecting the interests of the fetus. The state is protecting its own interest in a potential citizen. This in no way means that the state has declared a fetus has a right to live.Can't give you specific ordinances but if you harm a fetus you are charged with harming the fetus not harming the woman. That distinction illustrates that the state is protecting the interests of the fetus. The fetus, according to the state, has a right to live.
In one out of 50 states and even that will unlikely lastThey are shrinking the time window in which a woman may legally kill her mates offspring with impunity. The fetus or whatever you want to call it is under the protection of the states protection once the heartbeat begins.
Can't give you specific ordinances but if you harm a fetus you are charged with harming the fetus not harming the woman. That distinction illustrates that the state is protecting the interests of the fetus. The fetus, according to the state, has a right to live.
How do you explain laws that protect the fetus if the fetus has no rights?So you cant provide proof of the fetus having any factual rights.
From my stand point i have not read any in those state laws, seen any on legit news sources or heard a word of this
Let us know when you can, until then the reality the fetus has now actual rights
The same way as laws protecting certain animal species. You can protect anything as long as you pass a law and it has nothing to do with rights.How do you explain laws that protect the fetus if the fetus has no rights?
If it jas no right solve how can a state prosecute someone for it's premature termination. What right does that fall under?The state is not protecting the interests of the fetus. The state is protecting its own interest in a potential citizen. This in no way means that the state has declared a fetus has a right to live.
This is a very strange post...It never set right to me that, morally, a woman must carry a rapist's baby to avoid the act of murder.
at the same time, and as many on the right wing of the pro-life argument would say, "the baby did nothing wrong", of which I must concede is a fair point.
an idea i had is that, in the case of rape, a woman can be absolved of all responsibility for an abortion, as she given no consent to be pregnant in any case.
However, it is still murder, and it is a murder for which the rapist is guilty of.
If someone rapes, he takes the risk that a woman may choose to abort his baby, and therefore, he bears the guilty of that action in full.
Where I would like to see the abortion debate go is to argue WHAT, exactly, should be done to a rapist in such a situation? To me, it's not enough to charge him with rape, for which he faces life in prison, he should also face the charge of murder/manslaughter, for setting the chain of events in motion.
It is my opinion that the rapist should be held, not only morally liable, but legally liable as well, for anything and everything that happens between his victim and his potential baby.
It's an example of the law protecting the rights of a fetus. It was claimed they don't have rights when they plainly do.In one out of 50 states and even that will unlikely last
I'm not a crusader. I really don't care much what the state decides.OK, well just dont get tightfisted then when the "state" gets to pay for the needs of that unwanted child, from womb til adulthood.
The wealthier women will just go to a neighboring state or be able to pay extra for an "expedited" abortion or something, while the poor women with no resources will then give birth to an unwanted child.
Another fatherless kid running around, no proper upbringing, many go to gangs/etc/crime, then the "state" can pay for their incarceration later on after they hit adulthood.
The government makes an EXTREMELY poor substitute for a father Trouble. So while you may see yourself as some sort of crusader thats "saving the babies", I wonder if you have really thought all of these issues through very carefully. make sure you also adopt a couple of unwanted children, since you care about them so much?
OK, great. I'm sure you'll do that, a guy of your strong virtues. Good luck.
No, they plainly do not. Moreover this has been explained to you already, why then do you keep repeating the lie?It's an example of the law protecting the rights of a fetus. It was claimed they don't have rights when they plainly do.
"No they don't" isn't an explanation.No, they plainly do not. Moreover this has been explained to you already, why then do you keep repeating the lie?
Then read the other reply to you."No they don't" isn't an explanation.
The state cannot prosecute any woman for any abortion. Abortion is legal in the US. However, the state has a right to pass laws protecting its interest in the fetus after it becomes viable. For example: the state can require that a doctor examine the mother and certify that an abortion is or is not necessary. If the abortion is not necessary and the woman goes to an illegal abortionist the abortionist is guilty defying state law. The state can punish the abortionist. They cannot punish the woman.If it jas no right solve how can a state prosecute someone for it's premature termination. What right does that fall under?
easy that's just your false interpretationHow do you explain laws that protect the fetus if the fetus has no rights?
I don't know that I can't list the laws your requesting. I'm too lazy to do the footwork.easy that's just your false interpretation
theres laws out there that dont allow you to kick in my front door, that doesn't mean my front door legal rights
how do you explain why you cant list any laws that do what you claim and what the rights of a fetus are?