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Here’s how Trump’s proposed Moscow project is even dirtier than it looks

The man promised during his campaign chaos for the status quo.

He also promised he had no dealings with Russia as his family and lawyer were offering Putin a $50 million penthouse for a Moscow building permit.

For some reason, this broken promise doesn't bother you. More than that, it doesn't even seem to register.
 
That and $2 will get you a large Dunkin Donuts coffee.

I prefer quality Puerto Rican Estate coffee beans, I can grind at home. Even Deli coffee made in Bunn coffeemakers is better than DD or Starbuck's syrup.
 
I prefer quality Puerto Rican Estate coffee beans, I can grind at home. Even Deli coffee made in Bunn coffeemakers is better than DD or Starbuck's syrup.

Starbucks heard you, they now do light roast as well, but I like the dark, the darker the better.

I am currently drinking Thanksgiving Blend.....very strong.

Evap milk today, I ran out of egg nog.

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Speak for yourself. Trump isn't a symbol of us. If he's a symbol of you, own the horror.

He does symbolize you, if only because you couldn't come up with a better alternative than an obviously overly ambitions untrustworthy witch and an over the hill socialist hypocrite. He represents your failures. Your defeat. You cannot abdicate your responsibility. You allowed him to happen.

This election was not his to win, it was Hilary's and her followers election to lose.
 
He does symbolize you, if only because you couldn't come up with a better alternative than an obviously overly ambitions untrustworthy witch and an over the hill socialist hypocrite. He represents your failures. Your defeat. You cannot abdicate your responsibility. You allowed him to happen.

This election was not his to win, it was Hilary's and her followers election to lose.

No, he doesn't symbolize me. I have nothing to do with him. I voted for Marco Rubio and Gary Johnson. Hillary Clinton also has nothing to do with me. It isn't my fault that morons voted for Trump.
 
Starbucks heard you, they now do light roast as well, but I like the dark, the darker the better.

I am currently drinking Thanksgiving Blend.....very strong.

Evap milk today, I ran out of egg nog.

:2wave:

I tried it. Couldn't get past the first two sips. Even the old Five and Dimes served better coffee. Coffee with evaporated milk was considered a delicacy when my father served in the Philippines, and again later in Europe. His unit used to steal from Gen. Patton's private stash. He's purposefully look the other way, as long as his men were ready to fight. While I was hospitalized, my wife brought a French Press to the floor, taught the nurses how to use it. We left it for them.
 
He does symbolize you, if only because you couldn't come up with a better alternative than an obviously overly ambitions untrustworthy witch and an over the hill socialist hypocrite. He represents your failures. Your defeat. You cannot abdicate your responsibility. You allowed him to happen.

This election was not his to win, it was Hilary's and her followers election to lose.

The Democrats did indeed screw up with the Hillary nomination. She was a terrible and arrogant presidential candidate.

Be that as it may, Trump still would have lost without Russian/Wikileaks intervention, if the American public knew during the campaign that Trump was paying off mistresses while cheating on his third wife, and negotiating with the Russians for a huge real-estate deal in Moscow when he swore numerous times that he had nothing whatsoever to do with Russia. No loans! No deals! Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

Trump would have been toast if these sordid revelations had come to light before November 2016.
 
He also promised he had no dealings with Russia as his family and lawyer were offering Putin a $50 million penthouse for a Moscow building permit.

For some reason, this broken promise doesn't bother you. More than that, it doesn't even seem to register.

If broken promises and words from American politicians bothered me, I'd have to leave this nation I love so dearly. "Read my lips." "A chicken in every pot." "We will win the war on Poverty." "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Uh huh. A criminal elitist tells us we are here for the government, the government is not here for us, but we make him a hero because he had pretty hair, a prettier wife and screwed Marilyn Monroe. Tell me about it.

The people of NYC cheered Mayor Jimmy Walker on the steps of City Hall when he answered a reform journalist with "Of course I'm corrupt, I'm from Tammany Hall, see me about a job and let's go party!" He tipped his top hat, pointed west with his walking stick, and led the procession to a speak easy on Vesey Street.

"I promise upstate NY 250,000 jobs." Hilary Rodham Clinton

Yes, lies, false promises do bother me. Not one job delivered by her.

Don't BS me.
 
No, he doesn't symbolize me. I have nothing to do with him. I voted for Marco Rubio and Gary Johnson. Hillary Clinton also has nothing to do with me. It isn't my fault that morons voted for Trump.

Yeah, you put your votes to work for a better America. This conversation did need a lighter perspective. Yes it is your fault, you gave them no better choices.
 
The Democrats did indeed screw up with the Hillary nomination. She was a terrible and arrogant presidential candidate.

Be that as it may, Trump still would have lost without Russian/Wikileaks intervention, if the American public knew during the campaign that Trump was paying off mistresses while cheating on his third wife, and negotiating with the Russians for a huge real-estate deal in Moscow when he swore numerous times that he had nothing whatsoever to do with Russia. No loans! No deals! Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

Trump would have been toast if these sordid revelations had come to light before November 2016.

Bologna. Blame, blame, blame, but never accept responsibility. That's a credo I don't accept. I've done business with the Russians, kind of like taking candy from a baby. They don't have the experience or the knowledge. There were no deals, only unfulfilled negotiations. For every contract I've closed I've entered negotiations for 50 more. So what? Who cares about who he screwed, hookers, call girls, interns, mistresses? That's between him and his wife, not you in his bedroom. Your outrage isn't titillated enough by what is on TV? ROFL

Again, no proofs, just accusations, the Russians, Wikileaks, a hero, Assange is now a villain. Keep the chuckles coming. So much fickleness. JFK's behavior was sordid, just a movie star he passed off to his brother. FDR's secretary was sordid as Eleanor romped with her girlfriends, LBJ's new annual mistresses were sordid, Rockefeller died happy. So what. How is any of that your business? Maybe we should speak of Lincoln's boyfriend and then ask why his wife was nuts? Cut the BS. No excuses.
 
Bologna. Blame, blame, blame, but never accept responsibility. That's a credo I don't accept. I've done business with the Russians, kind of like taking candy from a baby. They don't have the experience or the knowledge. There were no deals, only unfulfilled negotiations. For every contract I've closed I've entered negotiations for 50 more. So what? Who cares about who he screwed, hookers, call girls, interns, mistresses? That's between him and his wife, not you in his bedroom. Your outrage isn't titillated enough by what is on TV? ROFL

Again, no proofs, just accusations, the Russians, Wikileaks, a hero, Assange is now a villain. Keep the chuckles coming. So much fickleness. JFK's behavior was sordid, just a movie star he passed off to his brother. FDR's secretary was sordid as Eleanor romped with her girlfriends, LBJ's new annual mistresses were sordid, Rockefeller died happy. So what. How is any of that your business? Maybe we should speak of Lincoln's boyfriend and then ask why his wife was nuts? Cut the BS. No excuses.

Which is why Trump stays silent, because he took a lot of money from the Russians because they were stupid, and he knows that this is going to be spun as proof that he was getting paid for other secret services when in fact all he was doing was taking advantage of chumps....who deserved getting taken because they were chumps.

The Russians were the exact opposite to Trump from how the "GET TRUMP!" gang is spinning it...he was not getting used by them, he was using them.....but we are in the post truth era...so...you know....
 
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If broken promises and words from American politicians bothered me, I'd have to leave this nation I love so dearly. "Read my lips." "A chicken in every pot." "We will win the war on Poverty." "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Uh huh. A criminal elitist tells us we are here for the government, the government is not here for us, but we make him a hero because he had pretty hair, a prettier wife and screwed Marilyn Monroe. Tell me about it.

The people of NYC cheered Mayor Jimmy Walker on the steps of City Hall when he answered a reform journalist with "Of course I'm corrupt, I'm from Tammany Hall, see me about a job and let's go party!" He tipped his top hat, pointed west with his walking stick, and led the procession to a speak easy on Vesey Street.

"I promise upstate NY 250,000 jobs." Hilary Rodham Clinton

Yes, lies, false promises do bother me. Not one job delivered by her.

Don't BS me.

You're BSing yourself pardner. I claim no credit.

btw, how is that Trump promise of having the government negotiate the price of prescription drugs working out?

How are those easily winnable trade wars coming along? That D.C. swamp drained yet? How bout that Trump promise to rarely leave the White House and not take vacations?

I didn't nominate or vote for Trump. Same with Clinton. So don't push their shortcomings and failures on America in-toto. The system is crap and unless it changes we'll get crap governance.

SCOTUS started the downfall with its Citizens United ruling. This legalized the corporate purchase of politicians. Been a huge bucket of crap ever since.
 
Which is why Trump stays silent, because he took a lot of money from the Russians because they were stupid, and he knows that this is going to be spun as proof that he was getting paid for other secret services when in fact all he was doing was taking advantage of chumps....who deserved getting taken because they were chumps.

The Russians were the exact opposite to Trump from how the "GET TRUMP!" gang is spinning it...he was not getting used by them, he was using them.....but we are in the post truth era...so...you know....

I doubt he took Russian money, either. Not unless he was willing to accept worthless rubles and use them only in Russia. 30 rubles to the $ today in Russia. 70 to the $ at the banks that will do conversions outside the country. This was a typical Trump deal, lease the name, reserve the management, the Trump's don't put up a dime outside soft costs. It was over the Russian's heads. The Hiltons and the Rothchild's ran into the same obstacles. No new Class A hotels. This the model perfected by Harry Helmsley and his syndicated partnerships, the same model used to build Battery Park City and Hunts Point Markets by the City of NY. Never sell the land, said the First Dutch Presbyterian Church of New York which hasn't been a church since 1866 yet is the City's largest private landlord. But all the mavens, all the experts here understand what I am speaking about and will gladly explain how corrupt these methods remain.

Grease that leather and pull that smoke wagon boys. I really want to hear how well you will make this happen. Where is Monty Python when we need him. Putin, the mouse that roared.

Don't worry kids, Jack the Giant killer is here, Jimmy Breslin would have loved the story.

Look up the story, and it did happen, how the Rockefeller's sold Rockefeller Center to the Japanese. The Japanese barely left with their shirts, and the Rockefeller's owned Rockefeller Center 3 years later, never having missed a dime of management monies. Who had the audacity to question the Rockefeller's? They didn't share a penny with American politicians either, and told the press at the time to bend over. My heart is a flutter. :)
 
You're BSing yourself pardner. I claim no credit.

btw, how is that Trump promise of having the government negotiate the price of prescription drugs working out?

How are those easily winnable trade wars coming along? That D.C. swamp drained yet? How bout that Trump promise to rarely leave the White House and not take vacations?

I didn't nominate or vote for Trump. Same with Clinton. So don't push their shortcomings and failures on America in-toto. The system is crap and unless it changes we'll get crap governance.

SCOTUS started the downfall with its Citizens United ruling. This legalized the corporate purchase of politicians. Been a huge bucket of crap ever since.

You've got the credit, whether you want it or not. Sure, blame the system and show us all a better alternative that will work. This is a CAPITALIST NATION. It is not a socialist nation, live with it, it works for most everyone willing to do the necessary work. There are no free rides, not for you, or anyone else.

So far, all I hear are excuses and whining.
 
I doubt he took Russian money, either. Not unless he was willing to accept worthless rubles and use them only in Russia. 30 rubles to the $ today in Russia. 70 to the $ at the banks that will do conversions outside the country. This was a typical Trump deal, lease the name, reserve the management, the Trump's don't put up a dime outside soft costs. It was over the Russian's heads. The Hiltons and the Rothchild's ran into the same obstacles. No new Class A hotels. This the model perfected by Harry Helmsley and his syndicated partnerships, the same model used to build Battery Park City and Hunts Point Markets by the City of NY. Never sell the land, said the First Dutch Presbyterian Church of New York which hasn't been a church since 1866 yet is the City's largest private landlord. But all the mavens, all the experts here understand what I am speaking about and will gladly explain how corrupt these methods remain.

Grease that leather and pull that smoke wagon boys. I really want to hear how well you will make this happen. Where is Monty Python when we need him. Putin, the mouse that roared.

Don't worry kids, Jack the Giant killer is here, Jimmy Breslin would have loved the story.

Look up the story, and it did happen, how the Rockefeller's sold Rockefeller Center to the Japanese. The Japanese barely left with their shirts, and the Rockefeller's owned Rockefeller Center 3 years later, never having missed a dime of management monies. Who had the audacity to question the Rockefeller's? They didn't share a penny with American politicians either, and told the press at the time to bend over. My heart is a flutter. :)

What, and you are usually so reliable too!

He sold a far amount of stuff to Russians at above and well above fair market value...he was lining his pockets with chump money but we will be told that Putin was putting in an ownership stake with Trump.
 
My dad taught me to not count my chickens before they hatched. Advice you sorely need, very sorely.

You missed the big story last week, Trump controls the documentation which can destroy your party. Think about the ramifications, and then tell me how or you need is Mueller. :spin::rofl

What documentation is that?
 
What, and you are usually so reliable too!

He sold a far amount of stuff to Russians at above and well above fair market value...he was lining his pockets with chump money but we will be told that Putin was putting in an ownership stake with Trump.

Chump change. No proofs. Ask Larry Summers from Boston, he started that one.
 
What documentation is that?

You'll have to ask Trump. It was his counter threat. All of a sudden, a dozen major voices shut up.
 
Chump change. No proofs. Ask Larry Summers from Boston, he started that one.

Hey man, when the project is "GET TRUMP!" anything that might help must be thrown into the cause!

Trump is an existential threat they say.

He cant be controlled like the others.
 
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You'll have to ask Trump. It was his counter threat. All of a sudden, a dozen major voices shut up.

Who, exactly, shut up?

Donald Trump doesn't have anything. He lies about everything; I have very little doubt he's lying about this as well. Only an ignoramus would actually believe he's got some party-destroying dirt.
 
Who, exactly, shut up?

Donald Trump doesn't have anything. He lies about everything; I have very little doubt he's lying about this as well. Only an ignoramus would actually believe he's got some party-destroying dirt.

If that is how you want to think of yourself, feel free. Your problem, no politician is clean.
 
If that is how you want to think of yourself, feel free. Your problem, no politician is clean.

What the blue turd are you yammering about?

I think of myself as someone who knows Donald Trump lies every time his lips move. If you think otherwise, that's your problem, not mine.

EDIT: Your comment makes no sense.

EDIT2: I see you didn't answer the question. Who has stopped criticizing Trump since his little empty threat?

That's right, nobody. You have no idea what you're talking about. You just keep snorting the Trump Bump.
 
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What the blue turd are you yammering about?

I think of myself as someone who knows Donald Trump lies every time his lips move. If you think otherwise, that's your problem, not mine.

EDIT: Your comment makes no sense.

EDIT2: I see you didn't answer the question. Who has stopped criticizing Trump since his little empty threat?

That's right, nobody. You have no idea what you're talking about. You just keep snorting the Trump Bump.

Of course, you are omniscient, I bow to your superior Trump knowledge. Always knowing more of what he will say before he says it.

What possibly obligates myself, or anyone else to respond to any of the rancid drivel flustering from your soul?
 
Of course, you are omniscient, I bow to your superior Trump knowledge. Always knowing more of what he will say before he says it.

What possibly obligates myself, or anyone else to respond to any of the rancid drivel flustering from your soul?

I accept your concession.
 
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