It is ALSO A FACT that other surgical procedures are more unsafe
It's also a fact that surgical procedures, regardless of their relative safety, still require the consent and supervision of a minor's legal guardians in order for surgeons to preform said procedures.
and that giving birth is MUCH MORE unsafe
You have yet to prove this.
I use scientific sites, not prochoice sites.
http://www.medicine.mcgill.ca/MJM/is...oads/82157.pdf
When abortion is provided by trained
medical professionals, it is one of the safest surgical
procedures (2, 10). In the United States, the death rate
from abortions is less than 0.6 per 100,000 procedures
(7, 12).
That still fails to prove this claim in anyway...
It happens that abortion is the safest surgical procedure.
You've proven that abortion is relatively safe, but you still fail to adress the fact that countless surgical procedures, such as a biopsy for instance, are still safer, and still require the consent and supervision of the minor's guardians.
While induced abortion is one of the safest surgical interventions in countries where the procedure is legal and appropriate services are widely available
It doesn't help your position when you cite a source that disproves your crazy notions. Abortion, although one of the safest surgical procedures, is not the safest as you previously claimed.
the risk of suffering serious complications and perhaps death is considerable where the operation is performed by an unqualified abortionist under unhygienic conditions.
Excellent point! This is exactly why parental consent should be required. Not only because it is universal within medicine, but because it serves the best interests of its patient. A minor seeking an abortion isn't going to possess the means or the capicity to distinguish between qualified and unqualified abortionists, legitimate or illegitimate practices and methods, sanitary or unsanitary, sanctioned or unsanctioned, ect.
Minors and medical proffessionals must inform the legal guardians of said minor in order to protect them from this kind of advantageous scenario in which minors are manipulated and decieved into recieving dangerous or unnessary operations by underqualified practitioners.
Once again, this is not about pro-choice and pro-life. It's about medical ethics and the protection of minors.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr//preview/mmwrhtml/ss5309a1.htm
"In 2000 (the most recent year for which data are available), 11 women died as a result of complications from known legal induced abortion. No deaths were associated with known illegal abortion. "
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealt...pdf/rhow11.pdf
"Each year, 300–500 pregnancy-related deaths*
are reported in the United States. This number
represents outcomes of only the most severe of
pregnancy-related complications. For every
pregnancy-related death, >3,600 admissions to
hospitals are for pregnancy-related complications
not associated with delivery."
You were saying?
You work at a school right? Go to Statistics 101 because you obviously require some assisstance. Besides, I prefer statistics that are more comprehensive, up to date, specific, and that can be elaborated on by the poster.
I'll just save you some time by giving you the real figures...
Out of 854,122 legal abortions in 2002, twenty-two women died as a result of this procedure. According to these statistics compiled by the Center for Disease Control and the National Center for Health Statistics, a woman has a 0.0026 percent chance of dying from an abortion.
Out of 4,021,726 live births in 2002, 335 women died as a result of maternal complications, excluding deaths resulting from an abortion. According to these statistics compiled by the Center for Disease Control and the National Center for Health Statistics a woman has 0.0083 percent chance of dying from giving birth.
According to these results a woman is three times more likely to die from giving birth than when getting an abortion, not fifteen times more likely, as claimed by steen.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr53/nvsr53_05.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr//preview/mmwrhtml/ss5407a1.htm#tab1
but safer than other surgical procedures
You claimed it was the safest, and it happens to be irrelevant anyway since surgery requires a surgeon to recieve parental consent prior to operation, or run the risk of losing their lisence and being sued.
and certainly safer than giving birth as the evidence just showed you. You don't WANT this to be true as it robs you of a favorite, but false prolife argument.
Once again, I'm not debating as a pro-lifer, but a proponant of medical ethics. You're the one who's making this into a political debate, just like your constituency turns medical ethics into a political stomping grounds.
That is not my concern. That you would rather spew a falsehood than be honest about your claims, is disturbing, not unexpected per my experience with prolifers, and not my concern.
You really like the words, "spew and falsehood" don't you? Or is your vocabulary really that limited? I'm assuming it's the latter.
And liver damage. And kidney damage. And bone density depletion. And bone marrow depletion. You were saying? Oh, wait, that was just another "but I want this to be true" prolife unsubstantiated claim, wasn't it?
I couldn't find anything that substaniated this claim. Regardless, this debate isn't about antibiotics since they too require a prescription and parental consent, therefor making any point of your's moot.
It is not irrelevant to the lying claims presented here about how abortion supposedly is 'unsafe, a claim now thoroughly disproved.
Too bad I never claimed that abortion was "unsafe". What I actually said was that abortion is "a potentially deadly surgical procedure". And since in 2002 twenty-two women died from getting abortions this confirms that abortion is indeed a potentially deadly medical procedure.
Putting words into my mouth and calling me a liar? Typical steen.
Nope, I have not uttered any such sentiment. It was the prolife claim that she couldn't have the abortion because she then couldn't prove that she was being raped by her father. It is prolife's false claim that is in question here.
There you go again, attributing me to statements that were made by some other pro-lifer. Contrary to what you think, steen, pro-lifers are not a singular entity.
Learn how to debate. I would be very grateful.