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Oh really? Because I absolutely dissagree. I think the human life is one mistake followed by a good thing, then another mistake followed by a good thing. And then sometimes its a good thing followed by another mistake. And I gaurante you that you would be incredibly hard pressed to find anyone in this whole world who actually believed they were going to hell. And how horrible of God to weigh us on whether we've lived a good or a bad life and never even begin to tell us what is wrong or right? What you are just not understanding is that no one deserves to go to heaven. Heaven is God's eternal kingdom. It is a perfect place. No one deserves perfect. You cannot earn it, you cannot be worthy of it. God, no matter how loving He is, has absoluetly no reason to allow us into that kingdom. But He does allow us into the kingdom, so long as we have relationship with Jesus, so that He can speak on our behalf.Gandhi>Bush said:I think it's fairly easy to wiegh whether someone was good or bad. I think it is even easier if you're God.
You have a very beautiful veiw of what heaven ought to be... but you must understand that this is an invention that you yourself are making, because there is no evidence anywhere that would suggest that a good life would equal heaven.
But that's only true if indeed God cannot work through man. Why do you not think that if someone wanted God's will to be done that He would not allow that to happen?It just seems so wrong that there's only one way to get to heaven, the Christian way. If there is an omnipotent higher power then it stands to reason that we, as humans have no way to know what the rules of the game are. Relying on ancient texts/folklore/personal belief is human and therefore has no basis of proving what a higher power would consider worthy, or unworthy.
Firstlly, I'm sure you and I have an incredibly different view of hell. You think of this fire and brimstone place where there is incredible suffering, I think is is possible that that it is just like life, only without God being there (thus the seperation). So for many, nothing will change, it will just be forever.I do think it's outrageous for anyone or any group to claim their way or the highway (or is it low-way?).
But either way, why do you believe that there is so many ways in to heaven? Under your theology, it is incredibly possible that everyone goes to heaven and that no one deserves hell (well accept for murderers, cause they've been very bad). What could be any easier than accepting a sacrifice that has already been made for you? What could be easier than loving the man that died for you? Why is this such a strugle for anyone?
You know what the ironic thing is, in all my time at the church, I have never once heard anyone say anything to anyone like "if you don't join our side you're gonna burn." NEVER! You know why? Because none of us think that. None of us want anyone to burn. We all want to spread the Good News, the gospel, the wonderful message that you too can join God, your creator in heaven, and all you have to do is accept the sacrifice of His son, that's it. You don't have to keep a running tally on the bad things you've done, you don't have to fulfill all five pillars, you just have to accept the sacrifice of the Messiah. How can you say that is being exclusive?I think it would be nice if those who are so hell bent (maybe there's a better term?) to convert everyone to their beliefs would stop making it sound like if you do not join the mob they'll be consequences to pay (sounds like the Godfather...he was Catholic too).