Heat waves, mosquito outbreaks, landslides

[longview]

Sorry, post all the **** you want but the United States is NOT part of the solution at all and with the stupid prick in the White House will NEVER take steps to clean up her own ****

CO2 emissions in the US are falling even without any steps.

 

[Media_Truth]

CO2 emissions in the US are falling even without any steps.

Are you implying that the US is done with Climate Change mitigation?

 

[longview]

Are you implying that the US is done with Climate Change mitigation?

Not at all, simply that our emissions are falling even though we are not part of the Paris agreement.

 

[Media_Truth]

Not at all, simply that our emissions are falling even though we are not part of the Paris agreement.

We've gone from 2% of our country's power from wind, to about 8%. The renewable tax credits were a huge success. They start expiring next year, but wind can stand on its own. Residential solar may start taking a hit though. Although costwise-competitive, it requires a sizable investment from individual citizens.

 

[code1211]

Sorry, post all the **** you want but the United States is NOT part of the solution at all and with the stupid prick in the White House will NEVER take steps to clean up her own ****

When confronted by actual facts a retreat to rote learned propaganda is one approach.

The air and water in the USA is probably cleaner right now than they've been in the last 150 years.

China and India are dumpster fires in regard to the environment. Between the two of them, another coal fired power plant comes on line every week or two.

The French seem to be in open, violent, revolt over the recent moves to limit emissions. The French Government seems inclined to back away from their plans.

Rivers in the USA have been pretty much flame-free for decades. In China, less so.

What has Trump done to unleash the pollution of the air and water? Do you have any real facts to support your paranoia?

 

[UtahBill]

Heat waves that make Chicago feel like Las Vegas? GOOD! The dry heat of the southwest is preferred to the humidity of Chicago summers..

 

[Lord of Planar]

We've gone from 2% of our country's power from wind, to about 8%. The renewable tax credits were a huge success. They start expiring next year, but wind can stand on its own. Residential solar may start taking a hit though. Although costwise-competitive, it requires a sizable investment from individual citizens.

Wind power will die a horrible death. It will be ugly. Thousands upon thousands of rusting towers, left to rot.

 

[Fearandloathing]

CO2 emissions in the US are falling even without any steps.

Oh?

And you have documented proof of this from a qualified institution.

I am so sick of Americans in their lies. You're the biggest offenders on the ****ing planet. Oil tycoons are trying to get US emission RELAXED, when US emissions are near the highest in the world.

Stop bull****ting. We see Trump, every word a lie exaggeration or straight bull****, and we see he has 43% support, which means one in two of you support lying..so any conversation with an American in the Trump Era is fantasy.

Good luck finding that data...I'm looking at the EPA main sight right now. Nice graph, turn it upside down and **** yeah, emissions are dropping.

 

[Jack Hays]

Oh?

And you have documented proof of this from a qualified institution.

I am so sick of Americans in their lies. You're the biggest offenders on the ****ing planet. Oil tycoons are trying to get US emission RELAXED, when US emissions are near the highest in the world.

Stop bull****ting. We see Trump, every word a lie exaggeration or straight bull****, and we see he has 43% support, which means one in two of you support lying..so any conversation with an American in the Trump Era is fantasy.

Good luck finding that data...I'm looking at the EPA main sight right now. Nice graph, turn it upside down and **** yeah, emissions are dropping.

You don't need to buy into the Trump bragging, but the data are clear. Primary reason for falling US emissions is increasing use of natural gas in place of coal.

[h=3]Data Shows Decrease in US Greenhouse Gas Emissions ... - EPA[/h]
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Oct 17, 2018 - WASHINGTON – Today, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) released 2017 greenhouse gas (GHG) data collected under the EPA's Greenhouse Gas Reporting Program (GHGRP), showing overall decreases across sectors and that total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions reported decreased by 2.7 percent from 2016 to 2017.

 

[Jack Hays]

[h=2]Breaking The Rules Of Science: Potsdam Researchers Concoct, Blame Extreme Cold On Global Warming![/h]By P Gosselin on 14. December 2018


[h=3]The non-falsifiable climate catastrophe: No matter if it’s hot or cold – it always has got to be global warming[/h]By Die kalte Sonne
(Text translated by P Gosselin)
The Central European heat summer of 2018 was a feeding frenzy for the followers of the climate disaster. The media turned it into sensational news and clearly saw climate change at work.
And then came the winter. In the US, this year (2018) saw one of the coldest Thanksgiving holidays of the past 100 years. That did not suit the PIK at all. Quickly there was a press release (22/11/2018) that blamed the cold spell on global warming:

Winter weather extremes in the US and Europe: messing with giant airstreams in the stratosphere
Over Thanksgiving, arctic air masses are predicted to bring record-cold temperatures and frigid winds to the Northeast of the United States. Driver for such winter weather extremes is often the stratospheric polar vortex, a band of fast moving winds 30 kilometers above the ground. In winter, when the polar vortex is disturbed by upward-blowing air masses, this can bring cold spells over Northeastern America or Eurasia, a new study now shows. And paradox as it might seem, climate change might further disrupt the complex dynamics in the atmosphere – bringing us not only more hot extremes in summer but potentially also cold spells in winter.”
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Read more here.
No matter if it’s hot or cold, it always has to be global warming. The crazy world of climate alarm. If one follows this logic, there is no single weather condition that could refute the concept. The climate catastrophe model can not be falsified, no matter what the weather. This indeed breaks an important principle of science.

But to ensure the well-being of mankind, scientific sacrifices must be made. With autocratic climate rule breaking all the laws of science is standard procedure.

 

[Media_Truth]

Wind power will die a horrible death. It will be ugly. Thousands upon thousands of rusting towers, left to rot.

Tell that to Goldman Sachs. They're in investing $150 Billion!!! Actually this is a fairly old article. Most of this has already happened.

Goldman Sachs Clean Energy Investments Are Having a Major Impact | Fortune

Financial giant Goldman Sachs, which plans to invest a massive $150 billion into clean energy projects and technology over the next decade, is already having a major impact on solar and wind companies, green job numbers, and the environment.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Tell that to Goldman Sachs. They're in investing $150 Billion!!! Actually this is a fairly old article. Most of this has already happened.

Goldman Sachs Clean Energy Investments Are Having a Major Impact | Fortune

Financial giant Goldman Sachs, which plans to invest a massive $150 billion into clean energy projects and technology over the next decade, is already having a major impact on solar and wind companies, green job numbers, and the environment.

I see you don't understand that Goldman Sachs makes money from investors regardless of what stocks do. they increase their profits by offering a service that investors want. More and more investors believe in such things. And sure, they will promote it to gain customers.

Are you really that ignorant to commercialism?

 

[Media_Truth]

I see you don't understand that Goldman Sachs makes money from investors regardless of what stocks do. they increase their profits by offering a service that investors want. More and more investors believe in such things. And sure, they will promote it to gain customers.

Are you really that ignorant to commercialism?

And yet you contend that wind power is dying.

 

[Lord of Planar]

And yet you contend that wind power is dying.

Please stop your lies about what I say, or is it an indication of an incapacity to understand the facts of what is said?

I never said wind power is dying. It is still growing. I said it will die.

I have explained this in several posts of the past, that it will not be cost effective to maintain. I have worked in the engineering of automation equipment. I understand how reliability and maintenance needs are seldom as little as a manufacturer states it will be. As the costs of maintaining these after a few decades is excessive, they will be retired. We will have mass graveyards of scrap.

 

[Media_Truth]

Please stop your lies about what I say, or is it an indication of an incapacity to understand the facts of what is said?

I never said wind power is dying. It is still growing. I said it will die.

I have explained this in several posts of the past, that it will not be cost effective to maintain. I have worked in the engineering of automation equipment. I understand how reliability and maintenance needs are seldom as little as a manufacturer states it will be. As the costs of maintaining these after a few decades is excessive, they will be retired. We will have mass graveyards of scrap.

Get on board, baby - the party has just begun.

https://www.fastcompany.com/2681150...ine-has-blades-the-length-of-a-football-field

The latest milestone comes from the U.K., which is investing heavily in offshore wind, and has the most capacity in the world. A British company, called Blade Dynamics, recently announced it was developing blades of up to 100 meters in length (that’s more than 300 feet)–dwarfing the size of existing technology in the 60-meter range. Sitting on top of a tower 170 meters high, the structure will be 270 meters in all, or 885 feet. That’s about one-sixth of a mile.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Get on board, baby - the party has just begun.

https://www.fastcompany.com/2681150...ine-has-blades-the-length-of-a-football-field

The latest milestone comes from the U.K., which is investing heavily in offshore wind, and has the most capacity in the world. A British company, called Blade Dynamics, recently announced it was developing blades of up to 100 meters in length (that’s more than 300 feet)–dwarfing the size of existing technology in the 60-meter range. Sitting on top of a tower 170 meters high, the structure will be 270 meters in all, or 885 feet. That’s about one-sixth of a mile.

And in other threads I have acknowledged off shore is viable. It produces cost effective power. I speak of the normal land based wind power.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify my position.

 

[Media_Truth]

And in other threads I have acknowledged off shore is viable. It produces cost effective power. I speak of the normal land based wind power.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify my position.

Isn't that incredible? Blades the size of a football field!!!

The land turbines are getting bigger and better too. The newer, larger land turbines, require wind speeds of half the velocity of their predecessors.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Isn't that incredible? Blades the size of a football field!!!

The land turbines are getting bigger and better too. The newer, larger land turbines, require wind speeds of half the velocity of their predecessors.

Technology is amazing, until they make those parts in China.

 

[Into the Night]

The new normal...



Welcome to Man Made Climate Change. Enjoy.



That is hardly a list of nothing burgers. But, of course, deniers will deny. Meanwhile the rest of us wonder if any of them will ever wake up.

Nothing burgers. No matter how Chicago wants to be Las Vegas, they never will be. Lobsters are still plentiful in Maine. Mosquitoes are...well...it IS Florida.

The midwest often gets heat waves. Not unusual.
Rainfall is quite unpredictable. Forecasters misforecast this all the time. Not unusual.
Wildfires are devastating. That's what makes them 'wild fires'. Manage the trees or they will burn instead. It really is very simple.
Lobsters have the ability to move. They...move.
More mosquitoes? You mean they actually BREED?!?
Did you know that ice in the Arctic recedes EVERY YEAR?

Try using something besides NBC to get your prophecies from at least. They suck at it.

 

[Into the Night]

Wake up to accept what, exactly, as the (one world?) government imposed 'solution'?

Most have no problem accepting that having too many people on the planet have had, are having and will continue to have an impact (mostly negative) on the planet's environment. Many who are erroneously called "deniers" are those who simply object to a given 'environmental action plan' being proposed - not to the evidence noting the existence of AGW (or climate change') itself.

How many is "too many"?

Are you one of those wanting to reduce the population to save the Earth?

 

[Into the Night]

I live in the Mountain West, and increased Wildfire risk is a big deal here. I would not build a home in the foothills or mountains here. It's not a question "if", but a question "when" it will burn down...

Then you don't live in the Mountain West. You are not living in the mountains or any of it's foothills.

 

[ttwtt78640]

How many is "too many"?

Are you one of those wanting to reduce the population to save the Earth?

Not necessarily to reduce but certainly to slow the rapid increase. Are you denying that doubling the world's population in a span of about 5 generations (100 years) is unsustainable?

 

[Into the Night]

Please stop your lies about what I say, or is it an indication of an incapacity to understand the facts of what is said?

I never said wind power is dying. It is still growing. I said it will die.

I have explained this in several posts of the past, that it will not be cost effective to maintain. I have worked in the engineering of automation equipment. I understand how reliability and maintenance needs are seldom as little as a manufacturer states it will be. As the costs of maintaining these after a few decades is excessive, they will be retired. We will have mass graveyards of scrap.

An interesting argument. I think you are making a reasonable case here. There is, however, the tenacity of the Church of Green to contend with. I could also see some kind of government program put in place units to replace or pay the maintenance costs on existing units. After all, the government doesn't care how much it costs. Neither does the Church of Green.

 

[Into the Night]

Isn't that incredible? Blades the size of a football field!!!

The land turbines are getting bigger and better too. The newer, larger land turbines, require wind speeds of half the velocity of their predecessors.

You outta see what happens when one of those sucker throws a blade, too. Spectacular! :mrgreen:

 

[Into the Night]

Not necessarily to reduce but certainly to slow the rapid increase. Are you denying that doubling the world's population in a span of about 5 generations (100 years) is unsustainable?

What do you mean by "unsustainable"?

People are assets too, not just liabilities. It's that many more hands to grow food, expand water supply and treatment systems, improve the technology for both, and to truck it around.

How do you plan to slow the "rapid increase"? What do you do about dissidents?