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Hearing set for soldier in Obama birth certificate case

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(CNN) -- A court hearing is scheduled for Friday in the case of an Army officer who has refused to deploy to Afghanistan because, in his view, President Obama has not proved that he was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.
Give this birther a dishonorable discharge, and kick his ass out. This nutcase needs to be shown the door.

Not only has Obama shown his birth certificate, but 2 newspapers printed his birth in Hawaii the day he was born, and Republican Governor Linda Lingle herself certified Obama's birth certificate as legitimate.

Article is here
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Finally, let me rub in in the birthers' faces just a little more:

 

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All that "evidence" just shows how sneaky this liberal progressive communist socialist muslim plot is.
 

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Give this birther a dishonorable discharge, and kick his ass out. This nutcase needs to be shown the door.

Not only has Obama shown his birth certificate, but 2 newspapers printed his birth in Hawaii the day he was born, and Republican Governor Linda Lingle herself certified Obama's birth certificate as legitimate.

Article is here
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Finally, let me rub in in the birthers' faces just a little more:

Seeing how this man is a commissioned officer his punishment for refusing a lawful order should be more severe than that of an enlisted man who refused to obey a lawful order. Someone of his ranks sets the examples that lower ranking men should be following. A dishonorable discharge is too lenient.
 
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I will be the first to say that I don't like or agree with our President. That said, I hope they throw the book at this joker. He made the choice to sign on the dotted line and volunteer to serve his country. His refusal to deploy is NOT a political statement, it is pure disrespect to anyone else wearing the uniform that DID ship out when ordered.

I'm not here to argue for or against the birther case. In fact, if he had wanted to write a letter of protest on the same grounds, that would have been perfectly acceptable, in my opinion, but refusal to do his duty is pure cowardice and a poor example of our armed forces.
 

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Give this birther a dishonorable discharge, and kick his ass out. This nutcase needs to be shown the door.

Not only has Obama shown his birth certificate, but 2 newspapers printed his birth in Hawaii the day he was born, and Republican Governor Linda Lingle herself certified Obama's birth certificate as legitimate.

Article is here
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Finally, let me rub in in the birthers' faces just a little more:

With, or without a trial? No time, nor need for a trial, huh? He questioned The One and that's all the proof of wrong doing we need.

I agree, that if this officer refused to deploy, simply because he doesn't think Obama is a natural born American citizen, then yeah, he needs to get the book thrown at him...buuuuuut, I'm going to play devil's advocate for a while on this one. Have an open mind and bear with me.

What if this officer filed an Article 138 complaint and it was never addresssed? It would mean that one his most powerful and most important rights, as a service member, was violated. Then, he could argue in court that his rights--as guaranteed by the UCMJ--were violated, therefore he had no obligation to deploy. yeah, it's a weak argument, but how is his chain of command going to explain to the American people--as well as to their commands--that they didn't have the balls to address an Article 138 complaint, simply because the grevience was filed against the president? I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a part of that chain when that turd came rolling down the hill.




Seeing how this man is a commissioned officer his punishment for refusing a lawful order should be more severe than that of an enlisted man who refused to obey a lawful order. Someone of his ranks sets the examples that lower ranking men should be following. A dishonorable discharge is too lenient.
It doesn't work that way. The UCMJ is blind, as to rank, when it comes to sentencing. And, if he was treated differently than any other soldier, he would have grounds for another Article 138 because trial and sentencing are:

Arbitrary, capricious, or an abuse of discretion, or
Clearly unfair (e.g., selective application of standards).
 
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If he had submitted a 138, it would already have been handled. In this case it would be a fairly simple one to handle, or at least as simple as they get.
 

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It doesn't work that way. The UCMJ is blind, as to rank, when it comes to sentencing. And, if he was treated differently than any other soldier, he would have grounds for another Article 138 because trial and sentencing are:
The UCMJ is not blind to rank when it comes to sentencing or in any other manner, including determination of guilt or innocence.
 

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Can you imagine if a hearing had been set on whether or not the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks? We'd never stop hearing about how open and honest the Bush administration is. But you keep showing people evidence that Obama is in fact a natural born citizen of the U.S. and the lunatics proposing it get a hearing? That buffoon of a YouTube celebrity whore should be laughed out of court if he doesn't wear a tinfoil hat and a red nose. What's next? A hearing on how we never went to the moon?
 

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Can you imagine if a hearing had been set on whether or not the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks? We'd never stop hearing about how open and honest the Bush administration is.

Your scenario would never happen. A couple of things would happen.

First the Bush administration would get hell for catering to a bunch of idiotic tin foil hat wearing retarded douche bags, Or everyone talks about how Bush is an idiot for catering to be a bunch of idiotic tin foil hat wearing retarded douche bags. (usually these tards want the government to investigate 9-11 to see if the goberment had something to do with 9-11.)

Second, this would probably be the only time the idiotic tin foil hat wearing retarded douche bags would probably understand why their logic of trusting the same people and institution they are accusing of treason and mass murder to hold a impartial hearing is completely illogical.It would be like asking a rape suspect to act as a prosecutor in his own trial if these wackos really believe the government committed treason and mass murder and the want the government to hold trials in whether or not it had something to do with 9-11.
 
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I just wanted to post in this thread. This guy is not a real Lt. Col. in that he doesn't command troops, he's a doctor. I would be surprised if someone of Col. rank that commanded all those troops would have this viewpoint. And depending on how you look at it, he's a doctor of osteopathy, which is complementary medicine or healing medicine, so if you consider it you could also say he's not a real doctor. He does have awards though, but it's surprising someone would take this position.
 

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I just wanted to post in this thread. This guy is not a real Lt. Col. in that he doesn't command troops, he's a doctor. I would be surprised if someone of Col. rank that commanded all those troops would have this viewpoint. And depending on how you look at it, he's a doctor of osteopathy, which is complementary medicine or healing medicine, so if you consider it you could also say he's not a real doctor. He does have awards though, but it's surprising someone would take this position.
Higher rank does not always equal command position and doctors in the military are commissioned officers regardless if they are a surgeon, dentist, osteopathy or even a quack/shrink.
 

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I can't stand Obama as much as many others but this Colonel is an idiot. He needs to go to jail and get kicked out post haste. We all know if this were a junior enlisted guy he would've gotten jail time and kicked out. The only reason this has dragged so long is because he's an officer and higher ups always get speacial treatment. Which I find ironic. One would think that leaders would be held to a higher standard but nope.
1. Missing movement
2. Contempt Towards Officials
3. Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentlemen
I'm sure there's more.
 

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I can't stand Obama as much as many others but this Colonel is an idiot. He needs to go to jail and get kicked out post haste. We all know if this were a junior enlisted guy he would've gotten jail time and kicked out. The only reason this has dragged so long is because he's an officer and higher ups always get speacial treatment. Which I find ironic. One would think that leaders would be held to a higher standard but nope.
1. Missing movement
2. Contempt Towards Officials
3. Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentlemen
I'm sure there's more.

An Officer and Gentlemen? is that failure to act like the movie or what? lol


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With, or without a trial? No time, nor need for a trial, huh? He questioned The One and that's all the proof of wrong doing we need.

I agree, that if this officer refused to deploy, simply because he doesn't think Obama is a natural born American citizen, then yeah, he needs to get the book thrown at him...buuuuuut, I'm going to play devil's advocate for a while on this one. Have an open mind and bear with me.

What if this officer filed an Article 138 complaint and it was never addresssed? It would mean that one his most powerful and most important rights, as a service member, was violated. Then, he could argue in court that his rights--as guaranteed by the UCMJ--were violated, therefore he had no obligation to deploy. yeah, it's a weak argument, but how is his chain of command going to explain to the American people--as well as to their commands--that they didn't have the balls to address an Article 138 complaint, simply because the grevience was filed against the president? I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a part of that chain when that turd came rolling down the hill.






It doesn't work that way. The UCMJ is blind, as to rank, when it comes to sentencing. And, if he was treated differently than any other soldier, he would have grounds for another Article 138 because trial and sentencing are:
You might be interested in this....

Document Provided by the American Patriot Foundation safeguardourconstitution.com
November 20, 2009
Primary Care
DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic
MEMORANDUM FOR General Casey, Chief of Staff, U.S. Army
SUBJECT: Complaint of Wrongs Under Article 138, UCMJ (AR 27-10)
1. I would like to officially submit a complaint under Article 138, UCMJ against General Casey, Chief of Staff of the Army. I believe General Casey is following and promulgating invalid and/or illegal orders from a person that is not eligible to be the Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces.
2. I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Barrack Obama is a Natural Born Citizen to be eligible to hold the office of President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces. Therefore, all orders directed by or guidance followed by order of Barrack Obama are invalid orders, and General Casey is violating his Oath of Office. General Casey is also making it impossible for all Officers under him to uphold their Oath of Office.
3. I request that General Casey formally address all Officers of the Army with a statement and verifiable evidence that we are not in violation of our sworn Oath of Office, UCMJ, or the Constitution, by serving under our current Commander-in-Chief. The verifiable evidence could consist of Barrack Obama’s long form (vault copy) of his Birth Certificate, school transcripts, applications for financial aid, selective service records and Passport records. In the absence of verifiable evidence of eligibility for Barrack Obama to hold the Office of President, he should be given no more rights or privileges than another citizen or resident (legal or illegal). He would not be able to relieve any Officer nor would he require impeachment by Congress, as he should not have been eligible to be elected.
4. I believe that if our Commander-in-Chief is not eligible to hold the Office of the President, there is a core breakdown in our chain of command. This leads to concerns that all Officers in the military are no longer upholding their Oath of Office, and may be directly or indirectly carrying out orders given by a person that does not lawfully hold a position of Command, thereby bringing to question whether the orders are lawful orders. These orders may not be direct orders, but most likely are indirect, strategic and organizational, but nonetheless, are orders that can have direct effects upon all Soldiers and me.
5. I believe there could be a violation of law or regulation by requiring me and other Officers to follow commands that are issued by someone that may not be a lawful Commander. This personally affects me and could affect my loyalty to uphold the Constitution and orders from my chain of command. There is significant evidence or unanswered speculation that Mr. Obama is not eligible to have been elected to the Office of the President and serve as our Commander In Chief.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/images/stories/documents/apf05-ucmjarticle138nov16.pdf
 

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I just wanted to post in this thread. This guy is not a real Lt. Col. in that he doesn't command troops, he's a doctor. I would be surprised if someone of Col. rank that commanded all those troops would have this viewpoint. And depending on how you look at it, he's a doctor of osteopathy, which is complementary medicine or healing medicine, so if you consider it you could also say he's not a real doctor. He does have awards though, but it's surprising someone would take this position.
How about these guys?

Major Gen. Jerry Curry

"Action should be taken by the Senate and should be taken by the House," he said. "They should serve notice on him and say 'Mr. President, we love you but we want to tell you something. You're under a cloud of suspicion. We can't continue running this country with you in charge under this cloud. Now either you clear it up or you resign from office.'"
Retired general says Congress should give Obama ultimatum

Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely

We now must call for the immediate resignation of Barry Soetero (AKA President Barack Hussein Obama) … based on incompetence, deceit, fraud, corruption, dishonesty and violation of the U.S. oath of office and the Constitution," he said in remarks delivered to a Lincoln Reagan dinner in Virginia City, Mont., last week and published today on the Stand Up America website.

"And a call for a national petition for new elections to select the next president of the United States of America must be initiated," he continued. "We can wait no longer for a traditional change of power and new government."
Call for Obama's resignation cites 'deceit, fraud, dishonesty'

Now let's take a quick look at LTC Terry Lakin.

Lakin has earned the distinction of taking care of many Admirals and Generals since working at the Pentagon, where he serves as Chief of Primary Care and Flight Surgeon for the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic and is the lead Flight Surgeon charged with caring for Army Chief of Staff General Casey's pilots and air crew. LTC Lakin's numerous awards and decorations include the Army Flight Surgeon Badge, Combat Medical Badge, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters, the Army Achievement Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, the Armed Forces Expedition Medal, the Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon sixth award and the NATO service medal. He has served previously in Honduras, Bosnia, Korea, and Afghanistan.
Exclusive: Highly Decorated Army Surgeon Lt. Col. Terry Lakin Refuses All Military Orders Until Obama Proves He Is a Natural Born Citizen » Publications » Family Security Matters

Now what were you saying?
 

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This must be my lucky day!

I just posted in the Conspiracy Theory thread as to why no law suit on the birth issue will ever be heard by a federal judge and look what I found? A thread that once again fits the bill of lunicy on this issue. :mrgreen:
 
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