Healthcare dystopia

I'm wondering if there's point when healthcare is bad enough (too expensive for example) to make people want for change.

When we think health industry and current cost going up every year - there should be limit somewhere when it start to be unreasonable expensive for common folks. Where is that?

Keeping Trump or Biden on wheel of power there's not going to be any change. So Not voting Bernie (as he's for healthcare for all) is telling that healthcare in US isn't that bad at all and Bernie is lying about it as he want to run with his healthcare for all plan - explaining how it's needed. I'm guessing that things are not bad enough to sell healthcare for all narrative for US folks. When need is more severe movement will be stronger - maybe it's not strong enough at this point.

So Trump is most likely perfect fit as he's not for healthcare for all (no need for it). Biden is just sad SENILE old man who's not going to win. Trump will eat him for breakfast.

From my viewpoint US healthcare is too expensive already, but I'm not in position to judge that. People in US know better than me how it is. I still think that healthcare dystopia is one possibility with current path how you guys run your healthcare system. I have no idea how soon it can be reality, but my wild guess is within 20-30 years (assuming wages are still relatively low and healthcare is getting more expensive every year).

FinnFox said:

I'm wondering if there's point when healthcare is bad enough (too expensive for example) to make people want for change.

When we think health industry and current cost going up every year - there should be limit somewhere when it start to be unreasonable expensive for common folks. Where is that?

Keeping Trump or Biden on wheel of power there's not going to be any change. So Not voting Bernie (as he's for healthcare for all) is telling that healthcare in US isn't that bad at all and Bernie is lying about it as he want to run with his healthcare for all plan - explaining how it's needed. I'm guessing that things are not bad enough to sell healthcare for all narrative for US folks. When need is more severe movement will be stronger - maybe it's not strong enough at this point.

So Trump is most likely perfect fit as he's not for healthcare for all (no need for it). Biden is just sad SENILE old man who's not going to win. Trump will eat him for breakfast.

From my viewpoint US healthcare is too expensive already, but I'm not in position to judge that. People in US know better than me how it is. I still think that healthcare dystopia is one possibility with current path how you guys run your healthcare system. I have no idea how soon it can be reality, but my wild guess is within 20-30 years (assuming wages are still relatively low and healthcare is getting more expensive every year).

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It's probably going to have to crash in some very public way unfortunately

FinnFox said:

From my viewpoint US healthcare is too expensive already.

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My guess is the core motivation of Sanders supporters is their (our) being pounded into financial submission by the healthcare industry. Those of us who have toed the line, played by the rules, worked hard, kept insurance premiums paid and up to date, and have still been pushed to near bankrupture by co-pays, deductibles, max out-of-pocket, and drug prices are physically and financially frustrated to death. After over 40 years of a relatively healthcare issue free life, a barrage of typical senior worker issues (back surgery and wrist fusion from work-related injuries, bariatric surgery for hiatus hernia, cardiac ablation, severe hearing loss, Acute Thyroiditis), has decimated rainy-day savings, prompted dipping measurably into retirement savings, and stifled spending on everything from vacations to upgrading tired USED cars; we are still driving the one new (a very modest Scion) car we purchased 1n 2004.

If our income tax rate was 50% of our income for the past 5 years and we had socialized helathcare, we would be far ahead of where we are now, banging on a belt-tightening retirement that looked so much better in 2015 before being clobbered by medical costs. And now it looks like more business as usual, at least for another 4 years. We paid for our own college, are still paying extortoionistic insurance premiums and everything else we were told good Americans do, and now avoid going to the Dr. like the plague for fear of what else they may find. We drop a $100 bill into our safe deposit box every 2 weeks to pay for funeral costs and keep the money off the books in hopes we can afford to die...

FinnFox said:

I'm wondering if there's point when healthcare is bad enough (too expensive for example) to make people want for change.

When we think health industry and current cost going up every year - there should be limit somewhere when it start to be unreasonable expensive for common folks. Where is that?

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It passed that limit a long time ago.

Keeping Trump or Biden on wheel of power there's not going to be any change. So Not voting Bernie (as he's for healthcare for all) is telling that healthcare in US isn't that bad at all and Bernie is lying about it as he want to run with his healthcare for all plan - explaining how it's needed. I'm guessing that things are not bad enough to sell healthcare for all narrative for US folks. When need is more severe movement will be stronger - maybe it's not strong enough at this point.

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There is no fixing it, not by anyone. It's highly regulated capitalism, which is a "compromise" from the political left when they can't have socialism. The healthcare industry is just like the housing industry in southern California - controlled entirely by politics. When decisions are made by politics, the politically powerful tend to get their way.

aociswundumho said:

It passed that limit a long time ago.

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It's hard to believe if people don't want change badly enough. Strong movement for relevant change should be there and showing in polls too. There should be more support for Bernie as he's only candidate who's running with that idea (single payer healthcare). My conclusion is that need isn't reached that level yet where it start to pile up actions towards real change. Bernie is making mistake by talking about healthcare - as he can't get enough popularity by doing so. America isn't ready for that and you can't force it.

Maybe Americans are special race as they can take more struggle/suffering (and think they deserve it?). If you look at people in France, they are going nuts (= riot / protests) pretty fast when government is doing something stupid. I'm not seeing that in America as it's not your way to process things. Americans are patient, calm and humble when it's about healthcare, housing, homelessness, education.. they can accept a lot and that amaze me.

Why people in US don't like M4A ?