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He called off the wedding — can she keep the ring?

SNOWFLAKE

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The Massachusetts high court waded into a debate involving hurt feelings, suspicions of infidelity and a $70,000 Tiffany stunner.


What say you? Should she return the ring or be allowed to keep it?

And what is up with that judge saying he still has to pay for her dental surgery?
 
If the engagement is broken off, you return the ring. That's a no brainer. I can't believe there's anyone who thinks otherwise.
 
The whole thing has long become a very sexist cliche. My suggestion would be, if they are betrothed, they both give each other rings of equal value. Problem solved. The pronouncement that comes with a ring attached should cut both ways, for both parties. Or no ring at all.
 
There are laws about this. They differ from state to state.

Massachusetts law considers an engagement ring a "conditional gift," saying the gift giver can get the ring back if they are found to be without fault in the relationship ending.

So the question becomes: Who's at fault?

In NJ, if there's no wedding the woman must return the ring.
 
If the engagement is broken off, you return the ring. That's a no brainer. I can't believe there's anyone who thinks otherwise.
Yes, but................. if she refuses?
 
Yes, but................. if she refuses?
Then that's shitty of her. But in my opinion, you should never buy someone an expensive engagement ring in the first place. There's an inverse correlation between the value of engagement rings, and the value of the person whose finger it's on. The more expensive a ring your fiance demands, the less valuable she's going to be as a wife.
 
It would be interesting to know how much they spent on lawyers during seven years litigation.
 
If he was stupid enough to spend $70k on a ring in a relationship that fell apart in a few weeks - he deserves to lose the $$.
At the same time - she doesn't deserve it either. Anyone who would accept such a ring in a dysfunctional relationship doesn't deserve it either.
The court should take it and give the money to foster parent organization.
 
This seems straight forward to me.

If you give someone something, it is theirs.
Yep. He should think of it as paying for an education on what not to do.
 
It would be interesting to know how much they spent on lawyers during seven years litigation.
More than the ring is worth?
 
1. 70k is too much for an engagement ring. The beautiful ring that I gave my wife is heirloom quality, and it cost far less.
2. The woman in the story sounds like an abusive, cheating asshole, so she's lost any sympathy I had for her.
3. I have always leaned towards the belief that the ring, once given, belongs to the recipient whether shit works out or not.
4. She can pay for her own dental surgery. Sell the ring.
 
Technically and probably legally I agree with point three. However from a golden rule perspective she should have given the ring back.
 

The law is pretty clear. It is a promissory note just like any other. Here in NY.
 
Growing up, I was told if the woman ends the relationship, she gives the ring back. If the guy ends the relationship, she keeps it. Kinda like a consolation prize?
 
sounds sensible
 
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