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Hawaii Becomes First State to Put Gun Owners in FBI Database

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Hawaii Becomes First State to Put Gun Owners in FBI Database
Hawaii Becomes First State to Put Gun Owners in FBI Database


“Hawaii passed a law making it the first state to put gun owners on a federal criminal record database and monitor them.

Hawaii Governor David Ige signed the bill Thursday, which allows police to enroll firearms applicants and individuals who are registering their firearms into “Rap Back,” a Federal Bureau of Investigation database that monitors criminal activities by people under investigation or in positions of trust, Reuters reported.

The law takes effect immediately. “Rap Back” allows Hawaii police to be notified when a Hawaii firearm owner is arrested anywhere in the U.S. In addition, the law allows Hawaii police to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue owning a gun after being arrested……………

It seems that one state has its “head on its shoulders” and does the right time to help stem crime and catch gun using criminals….
 

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So basically gun owners are treated like criminals by default. That doesn't violate the constitution in what way exactly?

I can think of at least three ways that treating people like criminals by default violates the constitution.
 

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So basically gun owners are treated like criminals by default. That doesn't violate the constitution in what way exactly?

I can think of at least three ways that treating people like criminals by default violates the constitution.

My heart bleeds for yall...........

The same folks who believe suspected terrorists have constitutional right to come to this country legal/illegally buy an assault rifle and then go slaughter Americans at will..........

Yeh.......My heart bleeds for yall
 

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Hawaii Becomes First State to Put Gun Owners in FBI Database
Hawaii Becomes First State to Put Gun Owners in FBI Database


“Hawaii passed a law making it the first state to put gun owners on a federal criminal record database and monitor them.

Hawaii Governor David Ige signed the bill Thursday, which allows police to enroll firearms applicants and individuals who are registering their firearms into “Rap Back,” a Federal Bureau of Investigation database that monitors criminal activities by people under investigation or in positions of trust, Reuters reported.

The law takes effect immediately. “Rap Back” allows Hawaii police to be notified when a Hawaii firearm owner is arrested anywhere in the U.S. In addition, the law allows Hawaii police to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue owning a gun after being arrested……………

It seems that one state has its “head on its shoulders” and does the right time to help stem crime and catch gun using criminals….

interesting.... I see this going to court in due course.

federal firearm registries are illegal... and Hawaii just turned "Rap Back" into a federal firearms registry....well done, idiots!
 

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My heart bleeds for yall...........

The same folks who believe suspected terrorists have constitutional right to come to this country legal/illegally buy an assault rifle and then go slaughter Americans at will..........

Yeh.......My heart bleeds for yall

is there no end to the number of lies you will spew? what is a 'suspected terrorist'

what is an assault rifle? apparently you don't have a clue

American started a thread on this subject yesterday. ImYoda doesn't understand that we are talking about American citizens without any disqualifying features being denied their rights.
 

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My heart bleeds for yall...........

The same folks who believe suspected terrorists have constitutional right to come to this country legal/illegally buy an assault rifle and then go slaughter Americans at will..........

Yeh.......My heart bleeds for yall
yes , yes .. we understand... you prefer to violate constitutional rights ( such as due process of law) because you're scared....
 

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That law makes little sense to me. Why is it better to get a FBI notification if Joe Blow Carpenter, who used to live in HI and bought/owned a gun, gets busted in Vegas for kiddie porn instead of Sammy Civil Servant who happens to work in a HI public school? Why not put all HI residents, or at least those in sensitive positions of trust, into that DB if public safety is really the goal.
 

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is there no end to the number of lies you will spew? what is a 'suspected terrorist'

what is an assault rifle? apparently you don't have a clue

American started a thread on this subject yesterday. ImYoda doesn't understand that we are talking about American citizens without any disqualifying features being denied their rights.

he has no factual answers to your questions.... he's just glad to see even more Constitutional rights being violated..... facts mean nothing to anti-Americans.

nothing makes the day of anti-American leftists more than to see our rights being violated
 

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That law makes little sense to me. Why is it better to get a FBI notification if Joe Blow Carpenter, who used to live in HI and bought/owned a gun, gets busted in Vegas for kiddie porn instead of Sammy Civil Servant who happens to work in a HI public school? Why not put all HI residents, or at least those in sensitive positions of trust, into that DB if public safety is really the goal.


Democraps are all about harassing gun owners. They figure if they drive gun owners out, they will never lose another election
 

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he has no factual answers to your questions.... he's just glad to see even more Constitutional rights being violated..... facts mean nothing to anti-Americans.

nothing makes the day of anti-American leftists more than to see our rights being violated

His posts on guns are even less honest than the claim that he is a conservative. They are filled with lies that can no longer be excused as based on ignorance given how many times he has been edified. You cannot buy an "assault rifle" unless it was registered with the ATF before May 19, 1986 and only after a 6-14 month background wait, and the permission of your chief of police if your state even allows you to own Class III firearms. Foreigners cannot own them period unless they are diplomats in their own embassies or military/military law enforcement personnel operating under the authority of US military command.
 

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My heart bleeds for yall...........

The same folks who believe suspected terrorists have constitutional right to come to this country legal/illegally buy an assault rifle and then go slaughter Americans at will..........

Yeh.......My heart bleeds for yall

Tell me, do you actually know how the law violates the Constitution?
 

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interesting.... I see this going to court in due course.

federal firearm registries are illegal... and Hawaii just turned "Rap Back" into a federal firearms registry....well done, idiots!

is there no end to the number of lies you will spew? what is a 'suspected terrorist'

what is an assault rifle? apparently you don't have a clue

American started a thread on this subject yesterday. ImYoda doesn't understand that we are talking about American citizens without any disqualifying features being denied their rights.
Unless Hawaii found a loophole?

They're not registering the guns in the fed DB, but rather they're posting the individuals themselves - ostensibly to assure notification concerning an individual's fitness with the state law.

And I bet there's no way the currently hobbled 4-4 Court takes cases like this (not that it would get there before next year, anyway).
 

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Unless Hawaii found a loophole?

They're not registering the guns in the fed DB, but rather they're posting the individuals themselves - ostensibly to assure notification concerning an individual's fitness with the state law.

And I bet there's no way the currently hobbled 4-4 Court takes cases like this (not that it would get there before next year, anyway).

Honestly do you think this would be a 4-4? It's an 8-0 slam dunk. If it was an abortion database do you think it would be 4-4? If it would really be 4-4 this country is in much worse shape than anyone can imagine.
 

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Unless Hawaii found a loophole?

They're not registering the guns in the fed DB, but rather they're posting the individuals themselves - ostensibly to assure notification concerning fitness with the state law.

And I bet there's no way the currently hobbled 4-4 Court takes cases like this (not that it would get there before next year, anyway).

well, the courts will have a say in whether they found a loophole or not... but it's quite obvious that these people are being entered into the federal database solely because they own a firearm.
that doesn't' mesh well with federal law at all.

and yes, the current SCOTUS would most likely be deadlocked.... which could be good or bad, depending on the lower courts decision.
the 4 "liberal" justices won't hesitate to deny rights protections for gun owners... the other 4 are a bit more mindful of the Constitution.
 

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Honestly do you think this would be a 4-4? It's an 8-0 slam dunk. If it was an abortion database do you think it would be 4-4? If it would really be 4-4 this country is in much worse shape than anyone can imagine.

he's right.. it'll be 4-4

the 4 "liberal" justices don't belive American citizens even have an individual right to keep and bear arms, let alone provide any protections though their rulings.
 

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Honestly do you think this would be a 4-4? It's an 8-0 slam dunk. If it was an abortion database do you think it would be 4-4? If it would really be 4-4 this country is in much worse shape than anyone can imagine.
I don't think we can underestimate the Justices ideologies - though they do surprise us from time-to-time with Justice Robert's 'ObamaCare tax' ruling being such an example.
 

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Honestly do you think this would be a 4-4? It's an 8-0 slam dunk. If it was an abortion database do you think it would be 4-4? If it would really be 4-4 this country is in much worse shape than anyone can imagine.

Remember how just not that long ago they ruled that the police doing an illegal search was fine if they had a warrant first? What makes you think this court cares about the constitution?

Then a few years ago they ruled that you have to speak in order to practice your right to remain SILENT. You know, as in your right to not say anything whatsoever.

Then there was was that Obamacare ruling where they quite literally changed the law stating something to the effect that the change was always meant to be part of the law. As if that changes the fact that they just violated the constitution.

I would say impeaching them would fix the problem, but well, it wouldn't.
 
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His posts on guns are even less honest than the claim that he is a conservative. They are filled with lies that can no longer be excused as based on ignorance given how many times he has been edified. You cannot buy an "assault rifle" unless it was registered with the ATF before May 19, 1986 and only after a 6-14 month background wait, and the permission of your chief of police if your state even allows you to own Class III firearms. Foreigners cannot own them period unless they are diplomats in their own embassies or military/military law enforcement personnel operating under the authority of US military command.

well, there's your problem....legal facts are meaningless to simpering ninnies.... offering them up is an exercise in futility.

offer up hot coco, a snuggy, and safe space for them to cry it out.... treat em like toddlers with full diapers, it's the only way to reach them.
 

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he's right.. it'll be 4-4

the 4 "liberal" justices don't belive American citizens even have an individual right to keep and bear arms, let alone provide any protections though their rulings.
You're right in that the 4 liberal Justices do not seem to believe in self-defense as a 2A right outside of the militia concept, and they've voted and opined as such. Heller was a narrow 5-4 decision that hinged upon Justice Scalia's vote and majority opinion. He is now gone, and hasn't been replaced.
 

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Remember how just not that long ago they ruled that the police doing an illegal search was fine if they had a warrant first? What makes you think this court cares about the constitution?

Then a few years ago they ruled that you have to speak in order to practice your right to remain SILENT. You know, as in your right to not say anything whatsoever.

Then that was Obamacare ruling where they quite literally changed the law stating something to the effect that the change was always meant to be part of the law. As if that changes the fact that they just violated the constitution.

I would say impeaching them would fix the problem, but well, it wouldn't.

Now you are bending the facts and you know it. You know darn well that in that case the defendant spoke words and answered questions and then claimed his was using his right to remain silent. If he had never said a word, that wouldn't have been a case at all.
 

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I don't think we can underestimate the Justices ideologies - though they do surprise us from time-to-time with Justice Robert's 'ObamaCare tax' ruling being such an example.

Then we are all ****ed, excuse my french
 

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Now you are bending the facts and you know it. You know darn well that in that case the defendant spoke words and answered questions and then claimed his was using his right to remain silent. If he had never said a word, that wouldn't have been a case at all.

I'm not bending the facts. They ruled that in order to practice your right to remain silent you must inform that you intend to practice your fifth amendment rights.
 

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I'm not bending the facts. They ruled that in order to practice your right to remain silent you must inform that you intend to practice your fifth amendment rights.

No they didn't. If you never say a word then you can't incriminate yourself. The defendant in the case answered "yes" to a question if he thought God would forgive him for the killing. That's not remaining silent.
 

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well, the courts will have a say in whether they found a loophole or not... but it's quite obvious that these people are being entered into the federal database solely because they own a firearm.
that doesn't' mesh well with federal law at all.

and yes, the current SCOTUS would most likely be deadlocked.... which could be good or bad, depending on the lower courts decision.
the 4 "liberal" justices won't hesitate to deny rights protections for gun owners... the other 4 are a bit more mindful of the Constitution.
Yes agreed, and the courts will determine the Constitutionality, but mark my words: If they do find it legal, it will be through that very loophole I bet. I believe that's why Hawaii specifically wrote the law in this manner, and I believe perhaps they've presented it just now since they're in the 9th circuit which just recently ruled against concealed carry a week ago!

I have little doubt the 9th will uphold this (I think it was 7-4 against concealed carry), sending it to the Supremes (making this Presidential election critical for gun rights/gun control).
 

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Then we are all ****ed, excuse my french
Well, just because they have ideologies, doesn't necessarily mean they believe they're being unfaithful to the Constitution. There's a wide range of Constitutional thought.

Now we may not all agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not legit.
 
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