Having a Baby outside of Marriage?

[AGENT J]

Did I lose a bet to you too?

LMAO yes you most certainly did

but that aside I hope everything was ok and you were just doing MORE IMPORTANT things than talking online LOL

 

[AGENT J]

Actually, yes, killing a child is legally murder. It's also, in my opinion and that of virtually everyone else, morally murder. You can disagree, but my use of the term murder was appropriate.

atleast you use the word OPINION, that's the ONLY thing that makes your statement semi-accurate.

Because the fact remains it is not murder and there is no such thing as legal murder. LMAO

Its not "me" who disagrees its facts and reality that disagree.

but you are free to have an opinion that is wrong all you want :shrug:

 

[misterman]

atleast you use the word OPINION, that's the ONLY thing that makes your statement semi-accurate.

It's also legally murder. Just in case you weren't aware.

Because the fact remains it is not murder and there is no such thing as legal murder. LMAO

Sigh.

but you are free to have an opinion that is wrong all you want :shrug:

This is what's wrong with humanity - we're having a debate over whether killing a child is murder, or moral, or whatever. We're actually talking about it. It's ridiculous.

 

[Barbbtx]

LMAO yes you most certainly did

but that aside I hope everything was ok and you were just doing MORE IMPORTANT things than talking online LOL

I was working at getting Herman Cain elected Left here for a while because I just wasn't feeling well. Then I noticed I kind of liked communicating with like minded people. LOL Yea, I admit the liberals and socialists here were taking their toll on my sanity. Not sure how much time I'll be spending here but I will try to spend some. I think you get to write my sig line? Catawa gets to pick my avatar. I can't wait

 

[liblady]

I was working at getting Herman Cain elected Left here for a while because I just wasn't feeling well. Then I noticed I kind of liked communicating with like minded people. LOL Yea, I admit the liberals and socialists here were taking their toll on my sanity. Not sure how much time I'll be spending here but I will try to spend some. I think you get to write my sig line? Catawa gets to pick my avatar. I can't wait

welcome back......now it's santorum?

 

[AGENT J]

It's also legally murder. Just in case you weren't aware.



Sigh.



This is what's wrong with humanity - we're having a debate over whether killing a child is murder, or moral, or whatever. We're actually talking about it. It's ridiculous.

Like I side you are welcome to your opinion even if its wrong but the facts say it is not murder :shrug:

and to be clear feel free to fight your battle, I believe its what you SHOULD do because its what YOU want to do.

But you would get taken more seriously if you didnt call it legal murder or muder. It comes off as pure hyperbole because thats what it is. It dishonest and inaccurate.

It be better when you are standing up for what you believe if you just CLEARLY said IMO or I THINK its murder and then acknowledge the fact that currently it is not but you would like it to be.

Again, feel free to have your opinion but you are currently factually wrong.

and lastly for the record I not debating anything im correcting your inaccurate false usage of the word muder.

Mu opinion on abortion has no barring on the facts.

 

[AGENT J]

I was working at getting Herman Cain elected Left here for a while because I just wasn't feeling well. Then I noticed I kind of liked communicating with like minded people. LOL Yea, I admit the liberals and socialists here were taking their toll on my sanity. Not sure how much time I'll be spending here but I will try to spend some. I think you get to write my sig line? Catawa gets to pick my avatar. I can't wait

LOL HA!!! working for hermain cain :lamo

I hope he didnt hit on you! :mrgreen:

and yes you are right, it was one way or another, im fine with either one your sig or avatar it doesnt matter.


also for the recorded? Like minded people? theres no one here like you :2razz:

 

[misterman]

I was working at getting Herman Cain elected Left here for a while because I just wasn't feeling well.

Smoking and pizza will do that.

 

[misterman]

Like I side you are welcome to your opinion even if its wrong but the facts say it is not murder :shrug:

Okay, I get it.

You're making the same mistake MaggieD did.

We're not talking about abortion here. We're talking about actually killing children. Real children, who have already been born. A mod/poster here supports the right of parents to kill their newborn babies.

Go back in the thread and see what I'm talking about. See post 33. And next time, don't jump into the middle of threads without knowing what's being discussed (not that I don't do it alot).

 

[ThePlayDrive]

Morally, what is your opinion on having a baby outside of marriage?

[Please vote, too!]

I said it was morally acceptable although by 'morally acceptable', I really mean, 'I don't think it's a moral concern,' so I guess I could have said 'other'.

 

[AGENT J]

Okay, I get it.

You're making the same mistake MaggieD did.

We're not talking about abortion here. We're talking about actually killing children. Real children, who have already been born. A mod/poster here supports the right of parents to kill their newborn babies.

Go back in the thread and see what I'm talking about. See post 33. And next time, don't jump into the middle of threads without knowing what's being discussed (not that I don't do it alot).

IF thats the case then you would be 100% ACCURATE and I in fact would be 100% WRONG with egg on my face

I ASSumed he was joking because you were simply implying abortion was murder.

BUT im still confused why you said "legal murder"

 

[Barbbtx]

LOL HA!!! working for hermain cain :lamo

I hope he didnt hit on you! :mrgreen:

and yes you are right, it was one way or another, im fine with either one your sig or avatar it doesnt matter.




also for the recorded? Like minded people? theres no one here like you :2razz:

I still love Herman Cain and he never hit on anyone. Don't believe everything the media feeds you. Oh well, what's done is done and I'm done crying about it. There's still work to be done to stop Romney. Whoops, been a long time since I've been on any message board. I think we are off topic. So.... Rick Santorum believes marriage should come first, then children.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

This has been the belief of Christian civilisation from the beginning. It is not restricted to the Middle East. It was wide held in the West just half a century or less ago. I'm no expert, but I think there are large sections of the US who still respect it.

it's of Middle Eastern origin, though - at least for us Europeans having decended from there - trace everything back . . . Islam and Christianity both come from the same region. . so they share many of the same values.

 

[bub]

Depending on the particular mom, I'm more outraged at the stupidity than the moral aspect. For most young women, having a baby outside of marriage is the quickest way to a lifetime of poverty. These young girls think they are going to be popular, hang on to their man, or whatever else goes through their pea brains. Instead, they end up working like dogs or trapped into public assistance -- hardly able to make ends meet, picking one loser after another as they try desperately to find someone to help them through life.

Morally? It's pretty much none of my business.

I was going to say exactly what you just said. I'm really open-minded, and it's not really my business what they're doing.

Life really is much more difficult when you have to handle a kid. They have "peaked" at 17 or 18, now they'll spend 20 years struggling to feed their kid. And unfortunately their kids will not be very likely to be much more successful in life, they're at the bottom of the social scale.

 

[bub]

Birthing children to allow other people to adopt them? That's a public service; it should be praised.

Aren't we already too numerous?

 

[misterman]

IF thats the case then you would be 100% ACCURATE and I in fact would be 100% WRONG with egg on my face

I ASSumed he was joking because you were simply implying abortion was murder.

Nope, no joke.

BUT im still confused why you said "legal murder"

I thought you were making a distinction between legal and moral arguments.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Aren't we already too numerous?

No, not hardly, especially in North America. And if the economy collapses because of a low birth rate, it will be much much worse.

 

[Higgins86]

I think it's morally wrong to be engaging in an act that might result in another human life when you aren't emotionally, financially and mentally ready for a child.

you seen the divorce rates recently? What makes marriage anymore stable?

 

[LuckyDan]

you seen the divorce rates recently? What makes marriage anymore stable?

Do you know any unwed mothers? How are they doing?

 

[jambalaya]

Why?

......

No reason. I was trying to interject a little humor into the thread. I know one can't be that flippant on the internet because nobody really knows you but sometimes I persist. Have no fear, I won't shoot you if you have a baby out of wedlock.

 

[joko104]

"Marriage" as the OP probably defines it is not having a government issued marriage license.
A more realistic question is whether having a baby without a life committed between the parents is inferior than 2 parents committed to each other?
The answer is likely generally yes, but there are many potential exceptions and exclusions. Types of "relationships" are now very diverse in this country.
Also, of course, there is the topic of gay couples and polygamous parenting/relationships, all of which are illegal in terms of a marriage license.
And the age old debate on whether a couple should marry and stay together for the "sake of the child/ren."

 

[AGENT J]

Do you know any unwed mothers? How are they doing?

I know 8 unwed mothers with full custody and 1 unwed father with full custody. I only worry about 2 of them :shrug: but they are all doing great id say except one.

 

[Wake]

"Marriage" as the OP probably defines it is not having a government issued marriage license.

And to think I almost missed this little gem of a post.

When I say "marriage," I mean normal marriage, as in a government-issued marriage license.

 

[liblady]

Ok. You are entitled to your opinion. That's the whole point, right? Differing views. I just don't agree with that mindset.

as liberal as i am, i think a mother and a father are (ideal) important, though they don't necessarily have to be married. that said, i do think single parents can do a fine job.