Have We Ever Reversed a 'Progressive' Cultural Trend?

[Cephus]

I think liberalism has made society better in many ways, tempering the cruelty of Capitalism and pushing for equality, but when they expect us to abdicate our rights and freedoms to the state out of some absurd utopian pipe dream they lose me. I don't want to go back to the days of the robber barons but creating a state of dependancy is not the answer either.

I think to a certain degree, liberalism can be beneficial, but once it goes full retard, with idiots with their hands out wanting stuff for free, wanting no rules governing their behavior (although they sure want to govern everyone else's), wanting no one to ever make them feel bad about anything and thinking the world owes them a living, that's where things go entirely off the deep end.

There's certainly a balance to be struck, but if you look at modern regressives, they are so far over the line, they probably don't remember what the line looks like.

 

[blaxshep]

I think to a certain degree, liberalism can be beneficial, but once it goes full retard, with idiots with their hands out wanting stuff for free, wanting no rules governing their behavior (although they sure want to govern everyone else's), wanting no one to ever make them feel bad about anything and thinking the world owes them a living, that's where things go entirely off the deep end.

There's certainly a balance to be struck, but if you look at modern regressives, they are so far over the line, they probably don't remember what the line looks like.

Agreed. The problem with liberals is thier inability to accept reality. For example the core idea of socialism is that the people should own the means of production. I couldn't agree more on paper it's great. The problem is Capitalism only works if greedy rich billlionares drive it. When the people, the government, owns it there is no drive, no incentive and the businesses collapse. The Venezualian take over of the oil industry is case and point. It's part of the human condition.

 

[katzgar]

I was thinking about this the other day in the context of groups and individuals that advocate for preserving 'family' or 'traditional values' usually in reference to SSM, Transgender rights, Gay Adoption, etc. In our history, and I suppose more broadly in the historical liberal experiment, have 'we' (that is as a society) ever adopted what could be identified as a progressive cultural attitude, whether its racial equality or something like womans suffrage, and then permanently rolled it back or reversed course? Sort of taken a 'nope, we made a mistake' attitude?

I can't really think of one but if anyone else can it would be appreciated. My inclination is to say there isn't one but I could be wrong. The only one that seems remotely plausible hasn't actually happened yet and thats abortion because we don't seem to have coalesced into one position as a society the same way that we have on female suffrage, racial equality, and increasingly on the topic of SSM.

Because if there isn't really any precedent of a rollback I wonder if these groups and individuals sincerely believe there is a chance of 'going back'.

Thoughts?

there have been laws mandating growing hemp and taxes on cannabis in the past.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

When a culture starts to go liberal, it is on the downward slope. America is dying. Conservatism builds societies, liberalism destroys them. It's only a matter of time.

Really? Fascinating.

What data backs up that assertion?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Agreed. The problem with liberals is thier inability to accept reality. For example the core idea of socialism is that the people should own the means of production. I couldn't agree more on paper it's great. The problem is Capitalism only works if greedy rich billlionares drive it. When the people, the government, owns it there is no drive, no incentive and the businesses collapse. The Venezualian take over of the oil industry is case and point. It's part of the human condition.

I see no evidence that that's the case.

 

[Cephus]

Agreed. The problem with liberals is thier inability to accept reality. For example the core idea of socialism is that the people should own the means of production. I couldn't agree more on paper it's great. The problem is Capitalism only works if greedy rich billlionares drive it. When the people, the government, owns it there is no drive, no incentive and the businesses collapse. The Venezualian take over of the oil industry is case and point. It's part of the human condition.

That's really why young people tend to be idealistic and liberal and as they get older, they become more conservative. Young people are stupid and ignorant. It's only after they spend time dealing with the real world that they realize just how idiotic their leftist ideology actually is.

 

[blaxshep]

I see no evidence that that's the case.

If you own a company you will do what ever it takes to make as much wealth as you can, this is what drives business. If the people own it there is no incentive to make it efficient and competitive. No one has a stake in its success, if the business is failing liberals would just raise the debt ceiling. It would be great if everything was free, but who would work if it was?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

If you own a company you will do what ever it takes to make as much wealth as you can, this is what drives business.['/quote]

Wrong. I"ve owned two businesses. The primary goal was a combined one for both: to turn a profit but also to keep doing so consistently over time. They're both still around, although I'm no longer involved with them. One of them coming up on 23 years.

If the people own it there is no incentive to make it efficient and competitive. No one has a stake in its success, if the business is failing liberals would just raise the debt ceiling. It would be great if everything was free, but who would work if it was?[/QUOTE]

That's not what you originally said. You said it had to be 'greedy billionaires'. That's not even remotely true.

That's why I bolded your statement.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Excellent point. I can only think of one...Prohibition.

That came to mind as well. Only its the opposite since we rolled back a more conservative trend. I will drink to that!:beer:

 

[help3434]

You can't stop it, the future is a less bigoted place.

I hope your right, but that is just a hope. It is hardly inevitable.

 

[Hypothetical]

The future is more control and much less freedom, maybe(probably) to the point of its extinction.

yes... I'd like to ask the progressives what happens as technology goes forward very quickly now in some fields , such as robotics, when they don't even need to send in live police and there are fewer jobs , and our constitutional rights have been whittled away. what kind of future do you see in that, because it is coming. or at least it seems like it is.

 

[Howler63]

You're just acting out like every generation does. They crap on the next generation coming as if "OMG that generation is so terrible and we are all going to hell in a handbasket because of them. We are all doomed when they take over!" oh and BTW... Women are much better fit for leadership than men ever where by-and-large. Compassion and empathy are the best leadership qualities there are. Women tend to have that in far more abundance than men who tend to make decisions more in "I'M PISSED!" mode... which is never a smart way to lead. As far as you cry for unity... smells like nationalism to me soooo..... no thanks.

That's a ton of feminist crap as well. Women are no more 'fit' to be leaders than men by any measure. Strength and integrity are the best leadership qualities. Compassion and empathy are what you need at funerals and baby showers, not high offices. And this upcoming generation is the biggest pack of entitled babies that we could possibly have created. As soon as they learn that life is hard and you don't get a participation trophy for showing up, they cry like little girls and go looking for a 'safe space'.

 

[poweRob]

That's a ton of feminist crap as well. Women are no more 'fit' to be leaders than men by any measure. Strength and integrity are the best leadership qualities. Compassion and empathy are what you need at funerals and baby showers, not high offices. And this upcoming generation is the biggest pack of entitled babies that we could possibly have created. As soon as they learn that life is hard and you don't get a participation trophy for showing up, they cry like little girls and go looking for a 'safe space'.

LOL... compassion and empathy are the top leadership qualities. The GOP pretended to know this at one point when they would call themselves "compassionate conservatives". You can't lead people you don't understand and that's what these qualities give someone as a leader. Your view of leadership however is nothing more than an afternoon of machismo, campy/cheese-fest SPIKE tv afternoon movie lineup. Fun to watch and laugh at... but a total load of bullcrap IRL.

The rest of you post is a straw-man so... have fun with that.

 

[Howler63]

LOL... compassion and empathy are the top qualities. You can't lead people you don't understand. You view of leadership is nothing more than an afternoon of campy/cheesy SPIKE tv afternoon movie lineup. Fun to watch and laugh at... but a total load of bullcrap IRL.

The rest of you post is a straw-man so... have fun with that.

And you have fun empathizing and showing compassion while the barbarians sweep through the gates. Here's a tip, they usually kill the empathetic and compassionate FIRST.

 

[poweRob]

And you have fun empathizing and showing compassion while the barbarians sweep through the gates. Here's a tip, they usually kill the empathetic and compassionate FIRST.

your too funny. Like I said, have fun with your leadership skills that you learned off of B-rated action flicks. lol

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I was thinking about this the other day in the context of groups and individuals that advocate for preserving 'family' or 'traditional values' usually in reference to SSM, Transgender rights, Gay Adoption, etc. In our history, and I suppose more broadly in the historical liberal experiment, have 'we' (that is as a society) ever adopted what could be identified as a progressive cultural attitude, whether its racial equality or something like womans suffrage, and then permanently rolled it back or reversed course? Sort of taken a 'nope, we made a mistake' attitude?

I can't really think of one but if anyone else can it would be appreciated. My inclination is to say there isn't one but I could be wrong. The only one that seems remotely plausible hasn't actually happened yet and thats abortion because we don't seem to have coalesced into one position as a society the same way that we have on female suffrage, racial equality, and increasingly on the topic of SSM.

Because if there isn't really any precedent of a rollback I wonder if these groups and individuals sincerely believe there is a chance of 'going back'.

Thoughts?

Eugenics, believe it or not, was considered a progressive idea around the turn of the century.
We've rethought that idea.

 

[Tim the plumber]

I was thinking about this the other day in the context of groups and individuals that advocate for preserving 'family' or 'traditional values' usually in reference to SSM, Transgender rights, Gay Adoption, etc. In our history, and I suppose more broadly in the historical liberal experiment, have 'we' (that is as a society) ever adopted what could be identified as a progressive cultural attitude, whether its racial equality or something like womans suffrage, and then permanently rolled it back or reversed course? Sort of taken a 'nope, we made a mistake' attitude?

I can't really think of one but if anyone else can it would be appreciated. My inclination is to say there isn't one but I could be wrong. The only one that seems remotely plausible hasn't actually happened yet and thats abortion because we don't seem to have coalesced into one position as a society the same way that we have on female suffrage, racial equality, and increasingly on the topic of SSM.

Because if there isn't really any precedent of a rollback I wonder if these groups and individuals sincerely believe there is a chance of 'going back'.

Thoughts?

Yes.

The 1970's had sex with teenagers as acceptable and even almost had sex with young children as acceptable. That has been killed off.

 

[Howler63]

your too funny. Like I said, have fun with your leadership skills that you learned off of B-rated action flicks. lol

And you have fun with the ones you learned from the Vagina Monologues.

 

[coldjoint]

yes... I'd like to ask the progressives what happens as technology goes forward very quickly now in some fields , such as robotics, when they don't even need to send in live police and there are fewer jobs , and our constitutional rights have been whittled away. what kind of future do you see in that, because it is coming. or at least it seems like it is.

They seem to see a future where people who think like them, or blindly follow will be immune to the changes. I got news for them. They were join the ranks of the masses under the thumb, or boot, of a, more than likely, world government. Freedom will depend, and has always depended, on individual rights. A collective mindset will not allow it.

Remember the village should raise the children, not the parents. This is being pounded into the heads of our youth. Collectivism. And whoever does the pounding does not have the vision to see the only result is the destruction of freedom with a society that will not produce leaders, only followers.

 

[blaxshep]

They seem to see a future where people who think like them, or blindly follow will be immune to the changes. I got news for them. They were join the ranks of the masses under the thumb, or boot, of a, more than likely, world government. Freedom will depend, and has always depended, on individual rights. A collective mindset will not allow it.

Remember the village should raise the children, not the parents. This is being pounded into the heads of our youth. Collectivism. And whoever does the pounding does not have the vision to see the only result is the destruction of freedom with a society that will not produce leaders, only followers.

It amazes me when liberals complain about the militarization of the police. They don't seem to understand that a Nanny State necessitates it. They want to force equality by removing our rights and freedoms. They seem to think a few hundred million are going to support 7 Billion. They believe we can go into debt without consequence at the same time they believe we need more taxes.

 

[coldjoint]

It amazes me when liberals complain about the militarization of the police. They don't seem to understand that a Nanny State necessitates it. They want to force equality by removing our rights and freedoms. They seem to think a few hundred million are going to support 7 Billion. They believe we can go into debt without consequence at the same time they believe we need more taxes.

There will be no hindsight if things continue this way. It simply will not be allowed. Government will not make mistakes, and will let us know that they don't.

 

[Carjosse]

It amazes me when liberals complain about the militarization of the police. They don't seem to understand that a Nanny State necessitates it. They want to force equality by removing our rights and freedoms. They seem to think a few hundred million are going to support 7 Billion. They believe we can go into debt without consequence at the same time they believe we need more taxes.

Why do you believe that all Liberals are Stalinists that want a big brother state, what are your grounds for believing that?

 

[Cephus]

And you have fun with the ones you learned from the Vagina Monologues.

Hey, according to modern feminist crazies, the Vagina Monologues are sexist. Go figure.

 

[joG]

I was thinking about this the other day in the context of groups and individuals that advocate for preserving 'family' or 'traditional values' usually in reference to SSM, Transgender rights, Gay Adoption, etc. In our history, and I suppose more broadly in the historical liberal experiment, have 'we' (that is as a society) ever adopted what could be identified as a progressive cultural attitude, whether its racial equality or something like womans suffrage, and then permanently rolled it back or reversed course? Sort of taken a 'nope, we made a mistake' attitude?

I can't really think of one but if anyone else can it would be appreciated. My inclination is to say there isn't one but I could be wrong. The only one that seems remotely plausible hasn't actually happened yet and thats abortion because we don't seem to have coalesced into one position as a society the same way that we have on female suffrage, racial equality, and increasingly on the topic of SSM.

Because if there isn't really any precedent of a rollback I wonder if these groups and individuals sincerely believe there is a chance of 'going back'.

Thoughts?

I don't want to walk through history and cultures now, but there must be reversion of behavioral codes and social or political advance. Think of it this way. Homosexual behavior or pedophilia were quite acceptable in various periods.

One of them we have reintroduced. That means that sometime in between there had been reversion.

There have been many cycles of moral standards and political ethics change.

 

[Hypothetical]

Why do you believe that all Liberals are Stalinists that want a big brother state, what are your grounds for believing that?

they tend to vote for taking away our rights and freedoms, or work around them to further their own seemingly collectivist ideas?