Have the attacks 0n 9/11/01 make the U.S. stronger or weaker? (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

This should be a good one......

 

[Donkey1499]

I'd say stronger, even tho the far left is trying to put an end to that with all their anti-war gobbledegook.

 

[Captain America]

I truly don't know for sure. Time will tell I suppose.

Just curious Donk, how are we stronger? (THAT should be a good one.:rofl

If anyone says weaker, please explain that too.

 

[cherokee]

I say its made us a bit stronger. Unlike the past 25 years every (well most)
Americans now know what the storm is that’s coming.
Sadly some have fallen asleep again.


This isnt over by a long shot...even after we get out of Iraq.

 

[Navy Pride]

I think it has definitely made us stronger........We have the PA that allows the CIA and the FBI to speak to one another for the first time in a long time....We also have the Office of Homeland Security and most of all we have not had another attack on this country since that horrible day something I could have never dreamed of on 9/12/01........

 

[Captain America]

I am holding out hope that this will make us stronger. I just believe in America that much. But on the other hand, I think we would have been stronger today without 9/11. I know I certainly could have lived better off without it.

I know, I know, there are a lot of negative sides in the here and now that cannot be denied. But I see no point in harping on them ad neausem ..er. .naisi..um..er....na... over and over again (dammit!) At the present time, it's as obvious as the nose on my face that we are temporarily weakened in so many ways. But that does not mean we are weaker, in the long run, if you know what I mean. (Throw Katrina into the mix and we're in one helluva fix actually.)

There is an old saying. "What don't kill ya only makes ya stronger." People seem to forget sometimes that we are still a very young nation. Each nation has it's scars and history to bear. These past 5 years are a point in time to which history will record a definite downturn in fortunant circumstance for us as a nation.

Yes, we are presently weakened. We have 2668 less soldiers. Countless dollars....oh well, I said I wouldn't harp on it and I won't (unless you guys insist.:mrgreen: )

America was also weakened by Pearl Harbor. But our national resillance..resill..en..ance.. :3oops: er..... determination (dammit,) sprung into action resulting in not only a victory, but a renaissance of industrial and economic fortune. It definitely made us stronger. I suspect the current fix we're in will do the same.

So, we'll see. I am putting my nickel on the fact that it will make us stronger. Eventually.

I can't help but to think positive. I'm American.

My thoughts and sympathies go out this day to all of my fellow citizens who bear the emotional scars of 9/11. My deepest gratitude also accompanies that sentiment and I extend it to our brave brothers and sisters that unselfishly answered the call, and some forfeiting their lives that day, for their deep sense of duty and compassion.

We will never forget 9/11.

Don't tread on me.

 

[Kandahar]

The attacks themselves obviously made us weaker, so I'm assuming you're referring to our RESPONSE to the attacks.

In terms of homeland security, the scorecard is mixed...on the whole, I'd say we about break even. There have definitely been some improvements (such as better communication between our intelligence agencies), but there have also been a lot of stupid distractions (such as confiscating shampoo at the airports).

In terms of international strength, the scorecard is very, very negative. In this aspect, our response to the attacks has most definitely made us weaker. I supported overthrowing the Taliban and still do, but it is not practical to expect Afghanistan to turn into a democracy. This was followed by the Iraq war, which was, simply put, the biggest realpolitik mistake the United States has made since WWI. It may not be as costly as other conflicts in terms of lives lost or dollars spent, but no other conflict has sapped so much American presitge and diplomatic power for so little benefit. However, it's debatable whether that would've happened anyway even without 9/11. It seems very likely to me that Bush planned to invade Iraq from the day he took office...but at least we maybe could've had more debate and discussion on the subject if 9/11 hadn't happened.

So domestically, our policies mean we're about equally as safe as we were on 9/11/01. Globally, we're much weaker. Combining the two, my answer is weaker.

 

[MarineCorpsCandidate]

I think 9/11 has made the American people stronger. It made some of us realize their are some who truly hate us, that we cannot continue living a life of self absorbtion and being intreverted. That we have a duty to be citizens.

 

[jfuh]

United we stand, devided we fall.
Immediately after the attacks and for a few weeks there-after we were perhaps the most united since Dec. 7 1941. We were the strongest nation on the face of the planet with an unprecedented international support for America against terrorism.

Today, we are the most devided country infighting not for the sake of strength of the nation or bettering ourselves, but purly for the purpose of who's in power. Back to the business as usual culture of corruption in government.
Taking onto a war in Iraq did not further our cause, but instead prooved the point of the terrorists of our greed (even though that is not the case).
38% of the US population believe that the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy and another 36% feel that there was a link between AQ and Saddam. Just goes to show of the two extreemes that this country is in as of now and how partisan the landscape has become.
War aside, our economy isn't rumbling along at a steady click for the mean middle income remains stagnant. Bush's tax cuts worked great for the rich, but seems to have done little to bolster the middle class (as has been demonstrated by Iremon in another thread).

We are far weaker today then we have ever been before.

 

[TurtleDude]

United we stand, devided we fall.

War aside, our economy isn't rumbling along at a steady click for the mean middle income remains stagnant. Bush's tax cuts worked great for the rich, but seems to have done little to bolster the middle class (as has been demonstrated by Iremon in another thread).

We are far weaker today then we have ever been before.

tell me how you cut taxes for people who are net tax consumers in the first place. bolstering net tax consumers isn't a tax cut-its another redistribution of income that the left clamors for

 

[Befuddled_Stoner]

tell me how you cut taxes for people who are net tax consumers in the first place. bolstering net tax consumers isn't a tax cut-its another redistribution of income that the left clamors for

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that statement; each and every single piece of legislature addressing where the government gets its money, and where/how it spends it is a ****ing redistribution of income. Calling out the left on it (redistributing income) while ignoring the fact that the status-quo is in place as a direct result of redistributed wealth via previous government intervention is pure, unadulterated, hypocritical BULLSHIT.

If you think that the mean middle class income should remain stagnant while the more wealthy facets of society benefit disproportionally from a thriving economy, say so; using vacuous talking points to denigrate the opposition without addressing why or how you disagree with them is intellectually dishonest and a poor debate tactic.

 

[nogoodname]

I say its made us a bit stronger. Unlike the past 25 years every (well most)
Americans now know what the storm is that’s coming.
Sadly some have fallen asleep again.


This isnt over by a long shot...even after we get out of Iraq.

id rather find them awake but most are just paranoid know. This administration along with the Media has made them paranoid and fearfull.

 

[cherokee]

id rather find them awake but most are just paranoid know. This administration along with the Media has made them paranoid and fearfull.

The actions of others has made this.

How many days can you go without hearing about an Islamic group killing someone who didnt have anything to do with what they were fighting about?

 

[talloulou]

I think we are stronger as I believe our government and much of our populace understands now that radical islam can not be ignored. Some would still rather stick their heads in the sand but most of us now understand we face an enemy that hates us whether we wish to acknowledge that fact or not.

 

[talloulou]

id rather find them awake but most are just paranoid know. This administration along with the Media has made them paranoid and fearfull.

Just because we are now aware of those who wish to do us great harm that doesn't mean we cower in fear. I personally haven't witnessed hoards of americans acting in a paranoid manner. What are your examples of such behavior? Just because there are some who wish to pretend it was all a bad dream and everything is fine now doesn't mean the less ignorant are paranoid.

 

[Saboteur]

This should be a good one......

There's no option for both.

We're stronger in some areas and weaker in others.

 

[disneydude]

I am voting for neither because I think it is a horribly worded question.

The attacks of 9/11 have made us neither stronger or weaker. The question should really be phrased as our actions in the aftermath.

The attacks of 9/11 could have made us stronger if in the aftermath Bush had capitalized on the unity of the nation and the worldwide goodwill expressed to the US. However, we all know that that didn't happen.

I would say that the immediate response of the Bush administration was well focused and would have made us stronger, had not Bush been misdirected by Rumsfield/Cheney into using the attack to justify their desires to invade Iraq.

So, if the question is, whether Bushs response to the attacks of 911 have made us strong/weaker, I would say most definitely weaker. Our military forces, although hard working and honorable have become mired in a civil war that we don't belong in. We have created more animosity towards the US then existed before and we have made Iraq a rallying point for terrorists.

What we have to understand is that terrorist rarely attack indiscriminantly. The 911 attacks were planned for years and it is very likely that there are many plans to attack the US and its allies in the works. Which is why if Bush were really waging a "war on terror" he would be focusing on those things rather than continuing a strategy in Iraq that has failed.

 

[Navy Pride]

There's no option for both.

We're stronger in some areas and weaker in others.

How about over all?

 

[Donkey1499]

I truly don't know for sure. Time will tell I suppose.

Just curious Donk, how are we stronger? (THAT should be a good one.:rofl

If anyone says weaker, please explain that too.

How has it made us stronger, you ask? :rofl
Please stop! Are you a hermit? Airport security has been beefed up. The borders are about to be beefed up. Cops are given the supplies they need for all this counter-terrorism stuff. We have a small military (when compared to the size army we had during WW II) that can still kick the shiz out of Al Qaeda's raggedy-@$$ troops (OOH-RAH!). And we still have the southern, gun slinging, cowboy in office, 5 YEARS LATER... Poor John F---ing Kerry. And we even got a vice-prez who ain't afraid to shoot his own lawyer, now that takes some huge friggin', iron balls!

Any more questions, Captain Communist? :mrgreen:

 

[Captain America]

Just asking Herr Donk. Don't get your swastika in a tizzy. :mrgreen:

I think it will eventually make us stronger for many of the reasons you mentioned. But it definitely weakened us there for a while. We still have some cow plops to clean up yet before we cross the line to be considered stronger. But cross it we will. I believe that.

One of the things that have weakened us as a result of 9/11 is our internal divisions. I have never seen this country so divided. But I'm sure that will heal up too as soon as Mr. Bush starts getting all of his mail in Crawford, TX again.

But with Cowboy Bob in office, it's two steps forward, one step back. I think they call that the "Texas Two Step." :rofl

 

[Donkey1499]

Just asking Herr Donk. Don't get your swastika in a tizzy. :mrgreen:

I think it will eventually make us stronger for many of the reasons you mentioned. But it definitely weakened us there for a while. We still have some cow plops to clean up yet before we cross the line to be considered stronger. But cross it we will. I believe that.

One of the things that have weakened us as a result of 9/11 is our internal divisions. I have never seen this country so divided. But I'm sure that will heal up too as soon as Mr. Bush starts getting all of his mail in Crawford, TX again.

But with Cowboy Bob in office, it's two steps forward, one step back. I think they call that the "Texas Two Step." :rofl

Swastika? Although I do have a Nazi flag, BUT it was my grandfather's. He brought it back from Normandy after WW II. He kept it locked up as a souvenier. And no, I don't know if he shot the Gerry who owned it. He was a cook in the Army, not a soldier. And yes, he probably did serve "$hit On a Shingle" (S.O.S.) [Creamed chipped beef on bread.... mmmmmm tasty].

There is only so much division because you bloody liberals won't shut up and get out of the way!

:rofl j/k

No, there is so much division because of too much partisanship on BOTH sides of the spectrum. None of out ELECTED "leaders" will co-operate. That and most Americans can't seem to blame themselves. I admit it, I did nothing to stop terrorism... even though I was a juvenile at the time this all finally took place. But I still feel at fault. And with my vote I will try to help change that all now. I write to all my representatives and senators, of course I'll to get use to the new ones in Nov, but my bitchin' and complaining might get some **** done. How about you, Cap't Commie? What are you doing? Do you write to your congress people? How about the rest of y'all?

 

[Captain America]

Good on you Commandant Donk! You keep those cards and letters coming. You just keep cleaning up your side's gas incinerators and I'll be sweeping my side of the street as well and maybe together we might actually get something done here in the good ol' USofA.

(By the way. You need to clean your monacle. I think there's a booger on it.:mrgreen

 

[Donkey1499]

Good on you Commandant Donk! You keep those cards and letters coming. You just keep cleaning up your side's gas incinerators and I'll be sweeping my side of the street as well and maybe together we might actually get something done here in the good ol' USofA.

(By the way. You need to clean your monacle. I think there's a booger on it.:mrgreen

Damn you, ya communist bastard! You thumb-sucking liberal blowhard! You diabolacle fiend who enlists midgets to do his dirty deeds. You foul, reeking pile of leftist filth! Don't make me attack you with these round-tipped scissors!!!

What cards???????

I don't have any gas incinerators.

I wear spectacles, not a monocal. DAMMIT I ain't no frickin' Fuher, you ***! Dog gone bitch titty.

 

[Captain America]

Man, don't be talkin' 'bout my bitch's titty. Don't go there. She hasn't been the same since the surgery. (She walks kinda sideways too.)

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Weaker......

But I think it has a lot less to do with 9/11. It just seems that we are not as driven as we once were. We seem to be churning out pampered generations now that don't know what the word competition means. Things seemed to be handed to them with greater and greater ease. 9/11 brought this country together for a few weeks. But the end result is a fractured societly that turns in on itself to fight. I don't know if an event can strengthen or weaken you. It's how you respond to it that tells the tale