Hate towards Israel is more importat for Hamas than Allah

[The face of Jacob]

Allah is great? Not so sure according to the leader of the Hamas:

Jerusalem, Israel (AHN) - Masked Palestinian assailants bombed the Gaza City bureau of the Saudi Arabian satellite television news network Al-Arabiya on Monday evening following accusations of slander by the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority.

Last week, Al-Arabiya recorded Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh stating that "even if Allah gave us orders, we would never make concessions" to the Israelis.

Hamas insists the quote was taken out of context, and threatened to sue the news network for slander after Haniyeh's comments were broadcast throughout the Arab world.

No one was injured in late evening bombing of Al-Arabiya's bureau, which is located on the 12th floor of a Gaza City high-rise. Full article inside

 

[Jenin]

Im sure it was a slip of tongue. I dont think Haniyeh believes in a higher authority than God. Ofcourse, God did not tell the palestinians to give up their rights to their occupied homelands. So concessions about the occupied and colonized gaza and westbank are not particularly on Hamas agenda. As they see it, the palestinian people have been robbed of enough land already.

 

[Vader]

Im sure it was a slip of tongue. I dont think Haniyeh believes in a higher authority than God. Ofcourse, God did not tell the palestinians to give up their rights to their occupied homelands. So concessions about the occupied and colonized gaza and westbank are not particularly on Hamas agenda. As they see it, the palestinian people have been robbed of enough land already.

Along that same line of reasoning so were the Israelies. It just happend a long time ago.

It is NOT feasible for Israel to simply stop existing just to make a few confused people happy. The Palestinians need to accept Israel's right to exist and make peace.

If they cannot learn to live together, they will surely all parish together. :doh

 

[The face of Jacob]

Im sure it was a slip of tongue. I dont think Haniyeh believes in a higher authority than God. Ofcourse, God did not tell the palestinians to give up their rights to their occupied homelands.

If it was a slip of tongue then why the Hamas sent his people to bomb this station? Oh sorry, I forgot that the Arabs use to reply with bombs and not with civilized conversation.

So concessions about the occupied and colonized gaza and westbank are not particularly on Hamas agenda. As they see it, the palestinian people have been robbed of enough land already.

I want to remind you that the Arabs who define themselves as "Palestinians" don't own this land. This is a Jewish land and although nowadays we only say it and don't return it to our hands, I can promise you that in the future Gaza will be our vacation city. The people of Gaza have the full right to come back to Arabia.

 

[Thelost1]

The people of Gaza have the full right to come back to Arabia??!!!

That sound an awful lot like AP29 telling me (American Jews in general, actually) that I (we) should go back to Israel.

What makes you think that you have any right to tell them, people whose families have been living there for a very long time, people who were already relocated once, that they should go to Arabia because they are not Jewish.

that is despicably racist, religiously intolerant, and just plain wrong.

I agree with Vader, the Palestinians and Israelis are just going to have to compromise.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Along that same line of reasoning so were the Israelies. It just happend a long time ago.

It is NOT feasible for Israel to simply stop existing just to make a few confused people happy. The Palestinians need to accept Israel's right to exist and make peace.

If they cannot learn to live together, they will surely all parish together. :doh

In bold. Everyone in the Middle East should heed and understand these words. Truer ones have not been spoken. Great comment, Vader.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I want to remind you that the Arabs who define themselves as "Palestinians" don't own this land. This is a Jewish land and although nowadays we only say it and don't return it to our hands, I can promise you that in the future Gaza will be our vacation city. The people of Gaza have the full right to come back to Arabia.

Recently, Jacob, you and I have been agreeing; some of your posts can be so insightful, direct, and on target. But when you make fundamentalist, rigid, and exclusionary comments like these, I remember why, though sharing the same religion, you and I are very different. The UN Partition Plan gave land to both Israel and Palestinian Arabs; a two state system. This is the system that needs to be in place. I am not going to discuss why this is not currently in place. Focusing on blame RESOLVES NOTHING. Claiming the Gaza for Israel is inconsistent with the Partition Plan and is destructive to both the Palestinian Arabs and to the potential for peace in the region. Concessions must be made on both sides; reasonable ones. The Palestinian claim to the Gaza and West Bank is legitamite according to the UN Partition Plan. It should be honored by Israel, and all settlements in those areas should be dismantled. This is my one sticking point with Israel. For them not to do this, they become no better then the occupiers that others have enacted upon them.

 

[The face of Jacob]

Claiming the Gaza for Israel is inconsistent with the Partition Plan and is destructive to both the Palestinian Arabs and to the potential for peace in the region. Concessions must be made on both sides; reasonable ones. The Palestinian claim to the Gaza and West Bank is legitamite according to the UN Partition Plan. It should be honored by Israel, and all settlements in those areas should be dismantled. This is my one sticking point with Israel. For them not to do this, they become no better then the occupiers that others have enacted upon them.

As a Jew you should follow the Torah and not the UN. The UN doesn't give a **** about Israel and about the Jews. You don't live in Israel and you don't suffer the things that Israelis are suffering so it's easy for you to say those un realistic things and un true things, and the most important thing I have to tell you is this:

"lo, it is a people that shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations."

You may do your own searching for the origin of this quote!

I never say that the Arabs who define themselves as 'Palestinians" should be forced to return to Arabia although they have all the rights to do it. They should live under Israeli rull in the same way that their Arab citizens of Israel are living under Israel rull. If not then they fight Israel in the same way that they are doing from Gaza. And yes, Gaza will be ours, as much as other parts of the greater Israel as God have said to the Jewish prophets in their books.

This land is our land

If you don't agree with me it doesn't says that you are allowed to say that my things aren't true or that they are extreme. My words are 100% true. There is no Palestinian nation nor Palestinian country. These guys are stealers. And there will be never peace with these guys who are obligated to the complete destruction of the Jews. As much we will give them parts of our land as much terror we will get from them. All the atate of Israel is one big settlement. Also Tel Aviv and Haifa are settlements in their eyes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I think that these words of yours are because of a phenomenon which called Double Loyalty?, which Jews who are living in America may suffer from it, as the brother of the American Jewish ambassador have said:

"According to Ben, Dan was very sensitive to questions of double loyalty that inevitably arose with a kippah-wearing Jewish-American ambassador at the helm. “In the American administration, they always claim that it’s never clear where the Jews’ loyalty lies. When my brother was appointed ambassador to Cairo, the Egyptian press called him ‘Israel’s second ambassador’. When people would ask me who I’m more loyal to, I would always say that if, G-d forbid, a war would break out between the United States and Israel, I would fight on the Israeli side."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3273702,00.html

 

[cherokee]

Minister Ismail Haniyeh is nothing but a fooking retard who needs a lead injection.

Im sure it was a slip of tongue. I dont think Haniyeh believes in a higher authority than God. Ofcourse, God did not tell the palestinians to give up their rights to their occupied homelands. So concessions about the occupied and colonized gaza and westbank are not particularly on Hamas agenda. As they see it, the palestinian people have been robbed of enough land already.

When in the hell are you going to wake the hell up and realize the hamas don’t give a damn about the people? It has and will forever be about building an Islamic state they control. Same goes for the dumbazz people of Lebanon if they allow the hezbollah to overthrow their government.

 

[Jenin]

Oh, I get it *smacks self on the head* Bill O'reily was right all along! I should go force my sister to take off her head scarf and modest clothing that she CHOSE to wear. I should also move away from palestine, move my family and move all the natives out so that they could give way for the zionist settlers. I should tell any man standing up to israeli occupation to head out and say '***** it'.

Israel knows what's best for us

And you do too

What happened to your people, will NOT happen to mine.

 

[cherokee]

Oh, I get it *smacks self on the head* Bill O'reily was right all along! I should go force my sister to take off her head scarf and modest clothing that she CHOSE to wear. I should also move away from palestine, move my family and move all the natives out so that they could give way for the zionist settlers. I should tell any man standing up to israeli occupation to head out and say '***** it'.

Israel knows what's best for us

And you do too

What happened to your people, will NOT happen to mine.

First off bill 0'reily is a fooking retard but you must like him and fox news.

Did anyone say anything about moving? hmmm? Its been about stopping the killings,its been about peace. Something you dont want. You like playing the role of victimhood. Maybe you get your kicks off it. Maybe, just maybe it goes back your belifes in Islam? I dont give a flying fook.

No what happened to us wont happen to you. We have our own land that we control, we have our own form governments that control them. We have laws set to protect us from any and all discrimination. We can’t undo the past but we learned we cant live in the past and whine like you do today.
No what happened to us wont happen to you.

Because you don’t want peace

You will die and we will live on.

 

[Jenin]

Were not living in the past, we are living in the present, in today as you sip your coffe and relax in your free home, yes cherokee, yes sir, an entire nation is being victimized by a brutal occupation.

about dying, from the studies ive read, more than 90% of natives were wiped off the map. They died, cherokee. The great chiefs, entire tribes, most of them died as a direct or indirect result of the settlers and their expansion. The world was not as open to human rights back then. Hell, its not that open to human rights today...but the natives, my point being, died -- a vast majority of them.

they were "savages" anyways...right? thats what the settlers called them.

 

[cherokee]

Were not living in the past, we are living in the present, in today as you sip your coffe and relax in your free home, yes cherokee, yes sir, an entire nation is being victimized by a brutal occupation.

about dying, from the studies ive read, more than 90% of natives were wiped off the map. They died, cherokee. The great chiefs, entire tribes, most of them died as a direct or indirect result of the settlers and their expansion. The world was not as open to human rights back then. Hell, its not that open to human rights today...but the natives, my point being, died -- a vast majority of them.

they were "savages" anyways...right? thats what the settlers called them.

Free home? What free home? I have paid out the a$$ for this house.
Nothing in my life has been free.

Yes millions did die. I wont argue that.
Millions are also alive today.
We have moved on with our culture and we exist in both worlds. As a family friend once told me “We remember our past and reach for the stars”.

And yes even when I was in school our books called us savages.
I’m a compassionate savage…

 

[Jenin]

"Im a compassionate savage" --- LOOOOOL.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

As a Jew you should follow the Torah and not the UN. The UN doesn't give a **** about Israel and about the Jews. You don't live in Israel and you don't suffer the things that Israelis are suffering so it's easy for you to say those un realistic things and un true things, and the most important thing I have to tell you is this:

You're right, Jacob, I don't live in Israel. That allows me two perspectives, one that may hinder my position, and one that may help it. Because I don't live in Israel, I don't know what it feels like to be there, and, therefore don' have the unique perspective from an inhabitants point of view, which could certainly impact how I would see things. However, not living there, can also be helpful. It allows me to see the big picture, not just a myopic viewpoint. Also, a perception based on emotion can sometimes be clouded, as can one based on self-preservation (as this should be). Taking a step back and eliminating or reducing emotion from the eqauation can be helpful in assisting decision making.

I have not said anything untrue. You always claim that when one disagrees with you.

I am aware of how you view Judaism. My views see Judaic laws as evolving throughout time in order to deal with modern/current situations. I believe that following the UN Partition Plan is a good thing. Remember, not everyone follows the Torah. If that were true, there would have been no holocaust, no Spanish Inquisition, no pograms, etc... It was the UN Partition Plan that gave Israel back to the Jews. Following that and treating our neighbors well, helps Israel.

I never say that the Arabs who define themselves as 'Palestinians" should be forced to return to Arabia although they have all the rights to do it. They should live under Israeli rull in the same way that their Arab citizens of Israel are living under Israel rull. If not then they fight Israel in the same way that they are doing from Gaza. And yes, Gaza will be ours, as much as other parts of the greater Israel as God have said to the Jewish prophets in their books.

In bold. I reject this as extremist and inciting. It does not adhere to the Partition Plan. It is statements like these that foster anger, and show Israel to be like those extremists who want to conquer her in the name of Islam. I ask you again to examine how you are presenting Israel when you make statements like these.

If you don't agree with me it doesn't says that you are allowed to say that my things aren't true or that they are extreme.

Show me where I called you a liar and didn't back up my claim; if you can, I'll either back it now, or recant. And I can say that your views are extreme; freedom of speech and all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I think that these words of yours are because of a phenomenon which called Double Loyalty?, which Jews who are living in America may suffer from it, as the brother of the American Jewish ambassador have said:

My loyalty always lies with truth, first. I am loyal to the US. I am loyal to Israel. Both make mistakes. I refuse to turn a blind eye to that because of loyalty.

 

[The face of Jacob]

My views see Judaic laws as evolving throughout time in order to deal with modern/current situations...Remember, not everyone follows the Torah.

Rabbi Meir Simcha is writing in his book that in every place that we arrived to, we were whole with ourselves, whole with our faith and whole with our God. We advanced, and then there comes a time and a period that we are already in the society and we want to begin to assimilate and he is writing in his book that today the Jews are saying that Berlin is Jerusalem. And you all familiar with the Reform movement that was established in the beginning of the 19th century, in 1805, that movement erased Jerusalem and Eretz Israel from the prayer books, that movement changed the language from Hebrew to German and in the USA from Hebrew to English and they called their synagogues in the name of "Temples". And they said: "FRANKFURT IS JERUSALEM! BERLIN IS JERUSALEM! This is our temple, the temple will never be built again, we will never come back to Israel and to Jerusalem, it's a fantasy without roots." This is what Rabbi Simcha writes and all of you are familiar with it. But, Rabbi Meir Simcha is saying: "In a short time from now, A MINISTER WILL COME AND HE WILL UPROOT YOU AND YOUR ROOTS and will prove to you that Jerusalem is Jerusalem and Berlin will never be Jerusalem. Because this is how it was in the incidents in the past."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-philosophy/16541-where-god-holocaust.html#post457151

 

[Vader]

In bold. Everyone in the Middle East should heed and understand these words. Truer ones have not been spoken. Great comment, Vader.

Thanks, Captain.

 

[Vader]

Free home? What free home? I have paid out the a$$ for this house.
Nothing in my life has been free.

Yes millions did die. I wont argue that.
Millions are also alive today.
We have moved on with our culture and we exist in both worlds. As a family friend once told me “We remember our past and reach for the stars”.

And yes even when I was in school our books called us savages.
I’m a compassionate savage…

Oooorah Marine!

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