Has Zelensky Capitulated to Nazis?

[sanman]

Great history lesson. Again, it only works on stupid people.

Azov are against allowing people in ethnic Russian-majority areas to vote:

You've enlightened me. You're not a russian troll. You're one of those people propaganda works on.

What is this slogan being shouted @ 30s into the video, and also at the very end?




"Slava Nazi!" ("Glory to Nazis")

Who was that speaking @ 1:05?

Andriy Biletsky -- the found of Azov -- and a White Supremacist who has vowed to rid the country of Jews and other inferiors.
He has also vowed to restore "Greater Ukraine" -- areas beyond Ukraine's internationally recognized borders.

 

[Fledermaus]

Azov are against allowing people in ethnic Russian-majority areas to vote:








What is this slogan being shouted @ 30s into the video, and also at the very end?




"Slava Nazi!" ("Glory to Nazis")

Who was that speaking @ 1:05?

Andriy Biletsky -- the found of Azov -- and a White Supremacist who has vowed to rid the country of Jews and other inferiors.
He has also vowed to restore "Greater Ukraine" -- areas beyond Ukraine's internationally recognized borders.

Proud boys.

The Klan

Neo Confederates

 

[sanman]

Proud boys.

The Klan

Neo Confederates

I guess that puts America and Ukraine in good company with each other.

Western Media Fall in Lockstep for Neo-Nazi Publicity Stunt in Ukraine - FAIR

Media resolve the issue of the integration of neo-Nazis into the Ukrainian military by ignoring this inconvenient fact altogether.

fair.org

On December 16, 2021, only the US and Ukraine voted against a United Nations resolution condemning the “glorification of Nazism,” while the United Kingdom and Canada abstained. There can be little doubt that this decision was made with the conflict in Ukraine in mind.

In the doctrine of Western militarism, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And if that friend happens to enlist neo-Nazis, Western corporate media can be relied on to look the other way.

Gee, that was just a few months ago.

 

[Fledermaus]

I guess that puts America and Ukraine in good company with each other.

Western Media Fall in Lockstep for Neo-Nazi Publicity Stunt in Ukraine - FAIR

Media resolve the issue of the integration of neo-Nazis into the Ukrainian military by ignoring this inconvenient fact altogether.

fair.org

There are ultra nationalists, Neo-Nazis, right wing extremists, etc. in practically every major nation.

Why concentrate on Ukraine?

 

[sanman]

There are ultra nationalists, Neo-Nazis, right wing extremists, etc. in practically every major nation.

Why concentrate on Ukraine?

They are leading Ukraine's military policies, and they have thwarted Zelensky's promised end to the seige war on the ethnic Russian enclaves in Donbass, which has killed so many civilians there already. And this refusal has then riled the Kremlin, and provoked Putin into invading Ukraine. These hardline die-hard provocateurs are the real reason why Ukraine is suffering. Their die-hard stubborn refusal to abandon their murderous shelling directed at civilians (mere ethnic Russian untermenschen), has been the last straw that broke the camel's back.

The Presence of Neo-Nazis in Ukraine

Russia is using the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine as a pretext for war, but the West is sweeping it under the rug.

www.fairobserver.com

The reality behind the propaganda is that the West and its Ukrainian allies have opportunistically exploited and empowered the extreme right in Ukraine, first to pull off a coup amidst anti-government protests in 2014 and then by redirecting it to fight separatists in eastern Ukraine. And far from “denazifying” Ukraine, the Russian invasion is likely to further empower Ukrainian and international neo-Nazis, as the conflict attracts fighters from around the world and provides them with weapons, military training and the combat experience that many of them are hungry for.

The Extreme Right in Ukraine​

Ukraine’s extreme right-wing Svoboda party and its founders, Oleh Tyahnybok and Andriy Parubiy, played leading roles in the US-backed coup in February 2014. During an infamously leaked phone conversation before the Ukrainian government’s ouster, US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt mentioned Tyahnybok as one of the leaders they were working with, even as they tried to exclude him from an official position in the new government.

At that time, previously peaceful protests in Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, gave way to pitched battles with police and armed marches to try to break through barricades and reach parliament. Members of Svoboda and the newly-formed Right Sector militia, led by Dmytro Yarosh, battled officers, spearheaded marches and raided a police armory for weapons. By mid-February 2014, these men with guns were the de facto leaders of the Maidan protests.

We will never know what kind of political transition peaceful protests alone would have led to in Ukraine or how different the new government would have been if a peaceful process had been allowed to take its course, without interference by the US or violent right-wing extremists. But it was Yarosh who took to the stage in the Maidan and rejected the February 21 agreement negotiated by European foreign ministers, under which then-President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition political leaders agreed to hold new elections later that year. Instead, Yarosh and the Right Sector refused to disarm and led the climactic march on parliament that overthrew the government.

 

[sanman]

Ukrainian Leaders​

Since 1991, Ukrainian elections had swung back and forth between leaders like Yanukovych, who is from Donetsk and had close ties with Russia, and Western-backed leaders like Viktor Yushchenko, who was elected in 2005 after the Orange Revolution that followed a disputed election. Ukraine’s endemic corruption tainted every government, and public disillusionment with whichever leader and party won power led to a see-saw between Western and Russian-aligned factions.

In 2014, Nuland and the US State Department got their favorite, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, installed as prime minister of the new government. He lasted two years, until he, too, lost his job due to endless corruption scandals. Petro Poroshenko, the new president, lasted a bit longer, until 2019, even after his personal tax evasion schemes were exposed in the 2016 Panama Papers and 2017 Paradise Papers.

When Yatsenyuk became prime minister, he rewarded Svoboda’s role in the coup with three cabinet positions, including Oleksander Sych as deputy prime minister, and governorships of three of Ukraine’s 25 provinces. Andriy Parubiy — who founded the fascist Social National Party that went on to become Svoboda — was appointed chairman of parliament, a post he held for the next five years. Tyahnybok ran for president in 2014, but he only got 1.2% of the votes and was not reelected to parliament.

 

[Loulit01]

14,000 people killed by the Ukrainian military's seige on the ethnic Russian Donbass region -- the overwhelming majority of those killed were civilians, due to indiscriminate bombardment of residential areas.
See the United Nations' own figures -- unless you feel they're also a stooge for the Kremlin too.

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

The total number of civilian casualties recorded by OHCHR in 2021 has totaled 110: 25 killed (16 men, two women, three boys, one girl and three adults whose sex is not yet known) and 85 injured (56 men, 21 women, six boys and two girls), a 26.2 per cent decrease compared with 2020 (149: 26 killed and 123 injured), and the lowest annual civilian casualties for the entire conflict period.

Where does the 14,000 number come from?

 

[Monica33]

Z always was and remains a puppet .
He was chosen by Igor Kolomoisky as his future political mouthpiece whom himself was a very powerful Oligarch and who got him to power through his TV Channel 1+1.

Very similar to the way Berezovsky got Putin to power, even though numerous people tell of Putin originally not wanting the top job and Berezovsky also not being interested because he always was most successful when working below the radar .

With Z apparently holding a $1.2 billion offshore account and having a Florida mansion allegedly bought for $34 million, you do not need much up top to see the bigger picture . And of course he was a writer , director and professional stand up comedian before taking on his present role .

 

[Monica33]

The Nazi smear is Putin propaganda.

No .
It comes from knowing what you are talking about and having researched a subject over a long time
Something which few people here do or are capable of .

The bulk are regurgitators which means they simply read headlines and parrot from the news source they are most used to -- for whatever reasons .

 

[sanman]

The total number of civilian casualties recorded by OHCHR in 2021 has totaled 110: 25 killed (16 men, two women, three boys, one girl and three adults whose sex is not yet known) and 85 injured (56 men, 21 women, six boys and two girls), a 26.2 per cent decrease compared with 2020 (149: 26 killed and 123 injured), and the lowest annual civilian casualties for the entire conflict period.

Where does the 14,000 number come from?

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Breakdown	Fatalities	Time period	Source
TOTAL	14,000 killed	6 April 2014 – 13 May 2021	Ukrainian government[10]

 

[Monica33]

What is another name for the population of Donbass?

UKRAINIANS

Why do at least 70% have Russian as their first language ?

You are an inveterate Guesser . Saves you having to bother to DYOR .

 

[PeteEU]

The Nazi smear is Putin propaganda.

Wellllllllllll... not exactly true.

The west has ignored a serious Nazi problem within the overall government in Ukraine going back to 2014 and frankly even before.

Not saying that the whole government is Nazi, far far from it. But once you ignore the views of the Azov Battalion and integrate them into the National Guard.. have you not crossed a line then? It would be like inviting the Proud Boys and similar organisations into the US military...

So while Putin is using it as an excuse and in no way justifies his actions... the Neo Nazi problem within Ukraine is and has been very real for decades and the west has just ignored it and still is by claiming it is Putin propaganda.

 

[jnug]

No .
It comes from knowing what you are talking about and having researched a subject over a long time
Something which few people here do or are capable of .

The bulk are regurgitators which means they simply read headlines and parrot from the news source they are most used to -- for whatever reasons .

Knowing what you are talking about?

You do realize that when you account for losses of his own troops plus taking just a straight percentage of the Ukraine population that are ethic Russians, Putin is killing more ethnic Russians in Ukraine than he is killing Ukrainians.

Just admit it, Putin convinced himself he would have a walkover in Ukraine. That was a massive blunder and miscalculation that he is now paying for in spades and Russian spin doctors are trying to concoct and throw at the wall everything they can to justify this disaster. If the Ukrainians can start to push the Russians back even a little bit, this whole mad Putin adventure is dead, dead, dead. Results "nikto". I am not sure the Russian spin doctors, best in the world IMO can spin fast enough for that one.

 

[sanman]

If there is a prolonged resistance war in Ukraine against Russia, it will act as a magnet, drawing in ideologues from around the world, just as the Spanish Civil War attracted young socialists from around Europe, or how the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets attracted young Islamists from all over. The radicals who joint the fight will gain warfighting experience and access to arms. There will then be spillover effects back onto other Western countries (aka. 'blowback')

 

[jnug]

If there is a prolonged resistance war in Ukraine against Russia, it will act as a magnet, drawing in ideologues from around the world, just as the Spanish Civil War attracted young socialists from around Europe, or how the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets attracted young Islamists from all over. The radicals who joint the fight will gain warfighting experience and access to arms. There will then be spillover effects back onto other Western countries (aka. 'blowback')

So far the traffic from "around the world" is the other way and Russian spin trying to make this mad campaign of conquest by Putin something other than a murder for profit enterprise is not flying, Spin away, spin doctors....you are not helping yourselves.

 

[sanman]

So far the traffic from "around the world" is the other way and Russian spin trying to make this mad campaign of conquest by Putin something other than a murder for profit enterprise is not flying, Spin away, spin doctors....you are not helping yourselves.

So it's only those evil Russians doing their usual evil?

Watch this, and tell me what you think:

 

[jnug]

So only Russians are saying things?

Watch this, and tell me what you think:

So what is that, a Russian separatist.

You need to stop linking these hour long videos thinking people care enough to watch this crap. Has somebody proposed to you that the more you can shove crap down someone's throat the more likely they will like the taste of it? Sounds like a PROPAGANDIST teaching propaganda 101 to me.

Now you have hour long videos linked in a foreign language. Should I trust the translation? Don't think I will.

 

[Fledermaus]

Why do at least 70% have Russian as their first language ?

You are an inveterate Guesser . Saves you having to bother to DYOR .

What is the first language of millions of AMERICANS on the border of Mexico?

Still UKRAINIANS.

 

[Fledermaus]

No .
It comes from knowing what you are talking about and having researched a subject over a long time
Something which few people here do or are capable of .

The bulk are regurgitators which means they simply read headlines and parrot from the news source they are most used to -- for whatever reasons .

TRANSLATION : Putin says so is good enough for Monica33.

 

[ChickenTendies]

They who and coup him with what?

The far-right, and what do you think a coup "entails".

 

[sanman]

So what is that, a Russian separatist.

You need to stop linking these hour long videos thinking people care enough to watch this crap. Has somebody proposed to you that the more you can shove crap down someone's throat the more likely they will like the taste of it? Sounds like a PROPAGANDIST teaching propaganda 101 to me.

You need to stop wasting that pathetic excuse for a brain, and start feeding it more information than your usual echo chamber.

Now you have hour long videos linked in a foreign language. Should I trust the translation? Don't think I will.

It's made by a French filmmaker. It has english subtitles pasted on top of the original french subtitles. Big deal.

You can tell me it's really actually precious Ukrainian victims speaking, instead of evil Russians.

Maybe then you can satisfy your conscience by smothering it, so it doesn't make any noise.

 

[American]

The Nazi smear is Putin propaganda.

NOOOO, he'd never do that.

 

[Fledermaus]

They are leading Ukraine's military policies, and they have thwarted Zelensky's promised end to the seige war on the ethnic Russian enclaves in Donbass, which has killed so many civilians there already. And this refusal has then riled the Kremlin, and provoked Putin into invading Ukraine. These hardline die-hard provocateurs are the real reason why Ukraine is suffering. Their die-hard stubborn refusal to abandon their murderous shelling directed at civilians (mere ethnic Russian untermenschen), has been the last straw that broke the camel's back.

The Presence of Neo-Nazis in Ukraine

Russia is using the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine as a pretext for war, but the West is sweeping it under the rug.

www.fairobserver.com

Ah, the Azov Battalion you keep showing videos of is a tiny portion of the army yet they are controlling the entire army?

And they control not only the military but the civilian government?

And this "murderous shelling directed at civilians". How many has it killed these eight years? I would think if the Ukraine military was directing artillery at the civilians they'd have killed far, far more.

Are there Putin's numbers or are they corroborated by IRC?

 

[jnug]

You need to stop wasting that pathetic excuse for a brain, and start feeding it more information than your usual echo chamber.



It's made by a French filmmaker. It has english subtitles pasted on top of the original french subtitles. Big deal.

You can tell me it's really actually precious Ukrainian victims speaking, instead of evil Russians.

Maybe then you can satisfy your conscience by smothering it, so it doesn't make any noise.

I don't think any of you posting up these hours long videos have any success getting people to watch them. But you are welcome to continue and I am welcome to ignore them. As many political science professors and legal scholars will tell you, If you need an hour to make an argument, you have no argument.

 

[Fledermaus]

Z always was and remains a puppet .
He was chosen by Igor Kolomoisky as his future political mouthpiece whom himself was a very powerful Oligarch and who got him to power through his TV Channel 1+1.

Very similar to the way Berezovsky got Putin to power, even though numerous people tell of Putin originally not wanting the top job and Berezovsky also not being interested because he always was most successful when working below the radar .

With Z apparently holding a $1.2 billion offshore account and having a Florida mansion allegedly bought for $34 million, you do not need much up top to see the bigger picture . And of course he was a writer , director and professional stand up comedian before taking on his present role .

Apparently...