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"Happy Ending" after massage - ????

"Happy Endings" in the context of a massage should

  • be perfectly legal between consenting adults

    Votes: 19 65.5%
  • considered prostitution and therefore be/remain illegal

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • be outlawed

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • offered in every massage parlor everywhere

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • other - please explain

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Total voters
    29

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China asks if 'happy ending' services are illegal

BEIJING (AP) — China's law enforcers are having an unusually public debate about a delicate topic: Do paid sexual services known as "happy endings" at massage parlors count as crimes if they don't involve actual sexual intercourse?

While prostitution is illegal in China, its boundaries are being discussed with rare candor by courts, police and state media — even the usually stodgy flagship newspaper of the Communist Party.

"Various places have different standards for whether masturbation services are a crime; judicial interpretation urgently needed," read a headline of the People's Daily newspaper, which usually spends its time lecturing party members about discipline or obscure ideological issues.

Which obviously leads to the question - why is a "happy ending" illegal anywhere when it boils down to two consenting adults and services rendered?
 

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Easy answer for the US - because it's prostitution and even though it's just a handie, protitution is illegal in most states. You can make a case for the legalization of prostitution, but until it is legal, it covers HJs too.
 

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You left off the option of "Offered for free on every street corner" :mrgreen:

Seriously though, I think it greatly depends on if money changes hands. If your girlfriend gives a massage and a hand job, that's great (can I have her number, BTW), but if you pay someone, then it's prostitution.
 

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You do agree that it's prostitution, right?

Your poll (and OP sentence) seem to imply that you believe HJs are not sex.
Is a porn actor getting paid to have sex in a movie prostitution?
 

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Is a porn actor getting paid to have sex in a movie prostitution?
Not exactly, because the person receiving sex is not the one paying.
 

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In China, prostitution is illegal, and "happy endings" are prostitution. Sexual favors in exchange for money.

Now, I don't think prostitution should be illegal. i think it should be legal and hence, since "happy endings" fall under prostitution, then they should be legal if prostitution is legal.
 

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Not exactly, because the person receiving sex is not the one paying.
If your friend buys you a prostitute, it's still illegal, so that argument is out.

I've always found that hilarious. Two people ****ing only for money is completely ok, as long as they're both being paid. Two people ****ing while neither get paid, also completely ok. Two people ****ing while only one gets paid, TOTALLY ILLEGAL AND RUINING OUR SOCIETY!!

So... as long as I record it and post it to youporn its not prostitution then right?
I do that with all my dates.
 

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Not exactly, because the person receiving sex is not the one paying.
So a third party is paying both participants to have sex. It's not prostitution?
 

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So a third party is paying both participants to have sex. It's not prostitution?
I claim it's not exactly prostitution. Do you deny a difference? That would be false equivalence.
 

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If your friend buys you a prostitute, it's still illegal, so that argument is out.

I've always found that hilarious. Two people ****ing only for money is completely ok, as long as they're both being paid. Two people ****ing while neither get paid, also completely ok. Two people ****ing while only one gets paid, TOTALLY ILLEGAL AND RUINING OUR SOCIETY!!
I support legalizing prostitution; nonetheless, in the interest of intellectual honesty, I think we should recognize the difference between prostitution and pornography.
 

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I support legalizing prostitution; nonetheless, in the interest of intellectual honesty, I think we should recognize the difference between prostitution and pornography.
I don't see there being any difference between prostitution and pornography. It's having sex for money, plain and simple. I don't think there's particularly anything wrong with it either.

A hand job however is not sex, so I don't see how it would even fall under prostitution. Otherwise I had a LOT of sex in middle school.
 

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A hand job however is not sex,
I can't agree with that. Is it ok for adults to get handjobs from children? If it's not sex, what's the problem? It's ok for a kid to cut ones hair, for example, so what's the diff.
 

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I can't agree with that. Is it ok for adults to get handjobs from children? If it's not sex, what's the problem? It's ok for a kid to cut ones hair, for example, so what's the diff.
You're confusing sex with sexual behavior. Is it sex if you stroke your partner's nipples? Should you do that to a child?

Do you sex yourself when you scratch your nuts or masturbate?
 

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You're confusing sex with sexual behavior. Is it sex if you stroke your partner's nipples? Should you do that to a child?
I would say that stroking a child's nipples is most definitely ****ed up.

Do you sex yourself when you scratch your nuts or masturbate?
Masturbation is not sex by definition. To "sex yourself" is a nonsense term.
 

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I would say that stroking a child's nipples is most definitely ****ed up.



Masturbation is not sex by definition. To "sex yourself" is a nonsense term.
The point still stands. Blowjobs are called "oral sex" because it involves penetration. A hand job involves no penetration of any kind, just stroking. How many non-losers do you know that count their first hand job as the time when they lost their virginity?
 

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The point still stands. Blowjobs are called "oral sex" because it involves penetration. A hand job involves no penetration of any kind, just stroking. How many non-losers do you know that count their first hand job as the time when they lost their virginity?
The point stands alright:

HJs involving a child or stroking the nipples of a child is child molestation/sexual battery. Why? Because it's sex(ual).
 

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The point stands alright:

HJs involving a child or stroking the nipples of a child is child molestation/sexual battery. Why? Because it's sex(ual).
Sexual, not sex. Are you honestly trying to argue that stroking nipples is sex? Do you count the first time your nipples were stroked as the time you lost your virginity?

Just admit you were wrong, carrying this out this far is just sad.
 
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