Hanegbi: Disengagement was mistake (1 Viewer)

[The face of Jacob]

Oct. 5, 2006 13:42 | Updated Oct. 5, 2006 19:35
Hanegbi: Disengagement was mistake
By JPOST.COM STAFF

Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Kadima MK Tzahi Hanegbi sit next to each other at a meeting of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
Photo: Ariel Jerozolimski

Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee Chairman Tzahi Hanegbi (Kadima) said in an interview with Israel Radio Thursday afternoon that the disengagement from Gaza was a mistake, "based on a number of parameters."

Hanegbi added that in the opinion of all Kadima members, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's convergence plan was no longer on the agenda.

"The disengagement was perceived as weakness, and the weakness brought about attacks in Gaza and the North," said Hanegbi, who supported former prime minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan.

According to Hanegbi, "it [disengagement] was not conducive to better security or to peace."

In response to Hanegbi's comments, NU-NRP Chairman Uri Ariel, also head of the Knesset lobby for Gush Katif evacuees, said that Hanegbi's words have to be backed up by actions - including the rehabilitation of the evacuees, and a full and immediate solution to employment and housing problems.

"I call on MK Hanegbi and his comrades to put forth a special effort, with conviction and sensitivity, and to begin at once the construction of permanent communities for the evacuees," said Ariel.

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[The face of Jacob]

Former MK: Sharon’s power was addictive drug

Geula Cohen, mother of MK Tzahi Hanegbi who came out against disengagement Thursday, not surprised by her son’s stance. Now that Sharon’s immense power has subsided, Cohen expects more to come out against plan which ‘blew up in our faces’

Ilan Marciano Published: 10.05.06, 19:15

Geulah Cohen: Openly critical Photo: Tzvika Tischler

Former MK Geula Cohen was not surprised that her son MK Tzahi Hanegbi came out against last year’s disengagement from Gaza Thursday, and said she expected more politicians to join his stance.

One of the most prominent right-wing leaders in Knesset history, Cohen noted that in all Cabinet votes on the disengagement, Hanegbi voted against it. “In the Knesset, he voted in favor because he didn’t want to bring down the government,” she said.

During a radio interview Thursday morning, Chairman of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee Hanegbi said: “The disengagement didn't prove its worthiness in many ways. I mean in terms of what they hoped it would bring, that it would sober up the other side, that it would bring a kind of an emotional prelude whereby the Palestinians would want to speak to us.

"We saw the reverse results," he said. “It was interpreted as weakness and this weakness prompted attacks in Gaza and along the northern border."

Cohen also noted that figures in the upper military and political echelons have been more and more critical of the government and its decisions over the past year, and of the disengagement in particular.


Sharon's persuasive powers

“In my opinion, in the future more and more people will reveal their opinions against the plan, and this is only natural in light of the implications we see today. If those voices were quiet during the disengagement, today – when (former PM ) Arik Sharon and his vast power are no longer influencing the system – now many admit their support was a mistake,” Cohen explained.

Cohen didn’t hesitate to explicitly criticize Sharon for what she called his negative influence on the direction of top politicians’ votes on important diplomatic decisions.

“Many were persuaded by the power of Sharon’s leadership, which affected them like a drug. The addictive drug of Sharon’s power left us only with the frustrating results of the disengagement. Back then, because of Arik, those who were divided over the disengagement couldn’t come out against it. Today things are decided differently.

“Without a doubt, the disengagement blew up in our faces. Its victims are wandering, tormented. In my opinion, there were many top general and journalists too that in their hearts were split over the issue, but now it is slowly sinking in. It is frustrating that it happened too late. This whole story shows what a persuasive influence Sharon’s power and force had over people,” she said.

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[Picaro]

Of course it was. While I have a lot of respect for Sharon, I don't think he was a good political leader at all, and this deal was certainly a bad one.

 

[Volker]

The disengagement should have been negotiated with the Palestinian Authority, it should have been better coordinated with the Palestinian security forces and it should have been completed the way, that air and coastline are under Palestinian law, too.

Away from this, it was the right thing to do.

 

[Tashah]

The disengagement should have been negotiated with the Palestinian Authority, it should have been better coordinated with the Palestinian security forces and it should have been completed the way, that air and coastline are under Palestinian law, too.

The problem here Volker is that the Pals did not want or endeavor to seriously negotiate. That is why Israel withdrew unilaterally. Why should Israel be forced to occupy in perpetuity because Pals refuse to seriously negotiate?

I supported the withdrawal. But the continuing Hamas rocket attacks coupled with the kidnapping of an IDF soldier has forced me to soberly reconsider. Unless Abbas intends to negotiate seriously and with great sincerity, I will also consider the Gaza withdrawal a strategic mistake. Israel has gained nothing tangible from this positive gesture.

 

[gprime]

I love how these sellouts change their tune when they realize that they no longer have popular support. The fact is that Sharon was one of the worst things to happen to Israel in a long time. We're far better off without him in power, but Olmert is comparably bad. And we've yet to reverse the immense damage he caused. Israel needs to re-assert its control over Gaza and formally annex the disputed lands. Then they can implement a Kahanist-style compensated deportation system.

 

[Volker]

The problem here Volker is that the Pals did not want or endeavor to seriously negotiate. That is why Israel withdrew unilaterally. Why should Israel be forced to occupy in perpetuity because Pals refuse to seriously negotiate?

The Palestinians did not refuse to negotiate, not with Mr. Arafat and not with Mr. Abbas.
In fact they even criticised Israel for doing the withdrawal unilaterally.

I supported the withdrawal. But the continuing Hamas rocket attacks coupled with the kidnapping of an IDF soldier has forced me to soberly reconsider. Unless Abbas intends to negotiate seriously and with great sincerity, I will also consider the Gaza withdrawal a strategic mistake. Israel has gained nothing tangible from this positive gesture.

From what I know, he intends to do so, he always did.

 

[Tashah]

The Palestinians did not refuse to negotiate, not with Mr. Arafat and not with Mr. Abbas. In fact they even criticised Israel for doing the withdrawal unilaterally.

Arafat was so bad even the White House publicly renounced him. Abbas has yet to impliment the internal requirements of the Roadmap for Peace. They posture well for Western consumption, but nothing from the Palestinian end ever changes for the better.

From what I know, he intends to do so, he always did.

And from what I know, the internal strife within Palestine is so bad that Mahmoud Abbas is very lucky to see every new day.

This condition is a solid foundation for meaningful negotiations? I think not.

 

[The face of Jacob]

The Palestinians did not refuse to negotiate, not with Mr. Arafat and not with Mr. Abbas.

I'll turn this agreement into a curse for them.

 

[Volker]

Arafat was so bad even the White House publicly renounced him.

That the White House publicly renounced someone, does not mean he is bad.

Abbas has yet to impliment the internal requirements of the Roadmap for Peace. They posture well for Western consumption, but nothing from the Palestinian end ever changes for the better.

He is the president, not the prime minister.

And from what I know, the internal strife within Palestine is so bad that Mahmoud Abbas is very lucky to see every new day.

This condition is a solid foundation for meaningful negotiations? I think not.

This sounds very dramatic, has there ever been an attempt on his life?

 

[Volker]

I'll turn this agreement into a curse for them.

Yes, he had to win people for the agreement on both sides, this is what politicians do.

 

[The face of Jacob]

That the White House publicly renounced someone, does not mean he is bad.

The white house doesn't need to tell me who Yasser Arafat is. He sent his people deliberately to slaughter children in the Kibutzim in the north of Israel for years. He sent his people to do terror attacks against Israelis and the 70's and the 80's are full with those incidents. Maybe someone like you see Yasser Arafat as not bad as we see him.

Where did you tell me you are from? Germany? o.k. everything is obvious now.

I bet you will tell me that the Arab-German group who kidnapped the plane to Entebbe in 1976 wasn't so bad.

How typical of you!

 

[Tashah]

This sounds very dramatic, has there ever been an attempt on his life?

Hamas and Fatah are on the brink of civil war. The police forces are on strike because they aren't being paid. Other civil servants will soon follow. The only current barrier to outright civil war are Egyptian security forces trying to defuse the situation. This bi-polar internal political situation within Palestine cannot exist in perpetuity. Something has to give here Volker.

 

[Volker]

Where did you tell me you are from? Germany? o.k. everything is obvious now.

I bet you will tell me that the Arab-German group who kidnapped the plane to Entebbe in 1976 wasn't so bad.

The Revolutionary Cells were West German. They came to East Germany in the early 90-ties and then they probably stopped terrorism in 1993.

How typical of you!

You got it.

 

[Volker]

Hamas and Fatah are on the brink of civil war. The police forces are on strike because they aren't being paid. Other civil servants will soon follow. The only current barrier to outright civil war are Egyptian security forces trying to defuse the situation. This bi-polar internal political situation within Palestine cannot exist in perpetuity. Something has to give here Volker.

They have to rearrange funding and find a way to work together. These problems are not easy, but solvable.

 

[The face of Jacob]

They have to rearrange funding and find a way to work together. These problems are not easy, but solvable.

Er hello? You ain't talk about Europeans here. You are talking about Islamo-fascists here.

Hamas and Fatah ain't Protestants nor Catholics. The only way they could solve it is by eliminating each other. This is what happening now and this is how it will continue to be in the future.

 

[Volker]

Er hello? You ain't talk about Europeans here. You are talking about Islamo-fascists here.

No, I don't. I talk about Palestinians.
I don't use this nonsensical propaganda term.

Hamas and Fatah ain't Protestants nor Catholics. The only way they could solve it is by eliminating each other. This is what happening now and this is how it will continue to be in the future.

If we look at the number of victims in Gaza Stripe during the last months, who killed more than 100 people there?

Was it the Hamas? Was it the Fatah? Or was it the IDF?

 

[The face of Jacob]

If we look at the number of victims in Gaza Stripe during the last months, who killed more than 100 people there?

Was it the Hamas? Was it the Fatah? Or was it the IDF?

What an ignorant you are! Those people were Palestinian terrorists who most of them opened fire first at IDF forces/Were busy at firing rockets at Israeli towns etc and not some Jews that the Nazis killed in the death camps. You are talking about them as if they were angels.

5 Hamas gunmen killed in Gaza

At least 2 dead in Gaza tunnel blast

Masked gunmen kill Hamas member

Gaza: Masked gunmen kill top official, 4 guards

IDF kills al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades senior operative

IDF kills three Islamic Jihad operatives in Gaza

IDF kills wanted suspect near Jenin

Israeli air strike kills 2 in Gaza

Israeli strike wounds 5 Palestinian gunmen

Nablus: Fatah member killed by IDF fire

Rafah: 2 Palestinians killed in IDF strike

Two Palestinians killed in Gaza

Gaza: IDF kills 4 Hamas members

8 killed, dozens hurt in Gaza clashes

Report: Kedumim terror attack mastermind killed

Israel kills at least 23 in Gaza, targets Hamas commanders

I'm not saying that there were no innocent ones among them but they were killed only because human shielding.

And we must not forget that also:
Take a look, they even punish/murder themselves

Who tried to kill al-Quds commander?

Honor killing among the Palestinians

Mistress killed for informing on husband

If IDF wouldn't killed these terrorists then these terrorists would have killed Israeli civilians and I'm sure you wouldn't have mentioned that as much as you didn't mentioned all the rockets firing at Israeli towns and all the attempts to make out terrorist attacks by the Palestinians.

 

[Volker]

What an ignorant you are!

Carefully.

Those people were Palestinian terrorists who most of them opened fire first at IDF forces/Were busy at firing rockets at Israeli towns etc and not some Jews that the Nazis killed in the death camps. You are talking about them as if they were angels.

I picked the number hundred, because there were more than hundred civilians not engaged in fightings. Many of the others were militia men, not terrorists.

I'm not saying that there were no innocent ones among them but they were killed only because human shielding.

You suggested, there is a Palestinian pattern to solve problems with violance, I told you, to compare the numbers.

If IDF wouldn't killed these terrorists then these terrorists would have killed Israeli civilians and I'm sure you wouldn't have mentioned that as much as you didn't mentioned all the rockets firing at Israeli towns and all the attempts to make out terrorist attacks by the Palestinians.

So your reaction tells me, you think, it was the IDF. I think the same.

 

[Vader]

And from what I know, the internal strife within Palestine is so bad that Mahmoud Abbas is very lucky to see every new day.

The only thing that will work with Hamas is to kill 10 Hamas militants for every non-combatant that is murdered in a Hamas-sanctioned terrorist attack on Israel. Hamas is a terrorist group that cannot be trusted to keep its word and so their actions must be met with a more powerful reaction.

I realize this is a truly horrible scenario; however, Hamas is a collection of murderers that will not think twice, nor feel guilt or shame over, blowing up a bus load of school children.

After looking at animalistic behavior of the Palestinians; it's clear that they cannot be reasoned with. Abu Abbas is two faced and will turn on Israel the moment Hamas is removed from power. These people brainwash their own children, from the time they're in elementry school, to hate Jews, Americans, and all non-Muslims.

Essentially, they are a diseased group that needs to be contained so their ignorant breed of mindless hate-monger islamo-fascism can be prevented from spreading.