Handgun freeze in Canada and five-round limit on magazines

[Grand Mal]

Here is a clue for you. Life expectancy does not = health care.

Here educate yourself and you won't be so prone to looking like an idiot.

Twin studies have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual's lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. In addition, it found that lifestyle plays almost no factor in health and longevity after the age of 80, and that almost everything in advanced age is due to genetic factors.

Longevity: Extending Life Span Expectancy

Information on life span, including health physical and diet factors that may increase human life expectancy in the future.

www.disabled-world.com

Here is life expectancy by country. Canada is #16. By your logic they must all have better health care than Canada.

Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2024) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chart

www.worldometers.info

Genetics again? An individuals genetics?
You're thrashng around here. You have no-where to stand. We're talkng about a nation, not two individuals. Genetics doesnt enter into it.

 

[BahamaBob]

Genetics again? An individuals genetics?
You're thrashng around here. You have no-where to stand. We're talkng about a nation, not two individuals. Genetics doesnt enter into it.

Not much on thinking are you? You do understand the population is made up of individuals don't you? Here is the demographic make up of Canada.

Canada: 38,436,447 (Q4 2021) Ethnic origins: 72.9% European 17.7% Asian 4.9% Indigenous 3.1% African 1.3% Latin American 0.2% Oceanian

Asians and Europeans have the longest lifespans. Would it make sense to you that when over 90% of your population is in these groups, it would boost the lifespan of a nation? Think about it hard, this is really deep stuff.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db125.pdf

 

[EnigmaO01]

Not really what I was getting at, but since I can tell any opposition is to pounce on... why 5?

Why not 4 or 6?

Since emotion is appealed to, why is it acceptable to kill 5 people on this "spree" you mention?

Where in the heck did you get it's acceptable to kill 5 people from my post?

Would you rather have a shooter coming after you limited to 5 rounds or 30?

Stopping to reload can be a game changer for the shooter as any soldier in combat knows.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Where in the heck did you get it's acceptable to kill 5 people from my post?

Would you rather have a shooter coming after you limited to 5 rounds or 30?

Stopping to reload can be a game changer for the shooter as any soldier in combat knows.

So we are not going to answer the question on why 5, and not 4 or 6? Why was that number picked?

 

[Grand Mal]

Not much on thinking are you? You do understand the population is made up of individuals don't you? Here is the demographic make up of Canada.

Canada: 38,436,447 (Q4 2021) Ethnic origins: 72.9% European 17.7% Asian 4.9% Indigenous 3.1% African 1.3% Latin American 0.2% Oceanian

Asians and Europeans have the longest lifespans. Would it make sense to you that when over 90% of your population is in these groups, it would boost the lifespan of a nation? Think about it hard, this is really deep stuff.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db125.pdf

Europeans and Asians have the longest lifespans? Odd how many Caribean third-world countries have longer lifespans than the country with the most expensive medical system in the world, huh? And how many European and Asian countries are so low on the list.

Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2024) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chart

www.worldometers.info

You're just blowing smoke. And by any metric Canada is in the top group of the best countries in the world to live in.

 

[BahamaBob]

Europeans and Asians have the longest lifespans? Odd how many Caribean third-world countries have longer lifespans than the country with the most expensive medical system in the world, huh? And how many European and Asian countries are so low on the list.

Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2024) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chart

www.worldometers.info

You're just blowing smoke. And by any metric Canada is in the top group of the best countries in the world to live in.

Hmm, from the guy who says Health Care is the reason for a long lifespan. One moronic post after another. You should quit digging.

 

[911Sparky]

Well it's worse that we thought if you're routinely getting accosted by flash mobs. Who knew this was a problem? I bet Andrew Lloyd Webber is involved.

Yes, this happens on virtually every street in the country. I'm a bit surprised you haven't heard. Damn those flash mob rapist's. /s

 

[Grand Mal]

Hmm, from the guy who says Health Care is the reason for a long lifespan. One moronic post after another. You should quit digging.

Still don't know the difference between individual anecdotes and statistics. How come Caribean third world countries that are almost all African have longer llfespans than the country with the most expensive health care in the world?
It's because of two things- effective health care is health care thats accessible to everyone and an educated population is a healthy population.

 

[BahamaBob]

Still don't know the difference between individual anecdotes and statistics. How come Caribean third world countries that are almost all African have longer llfespans than the country with the most expensive health care in the world?
It's because of two things- effective health care is health care thats accessible to everyone and an educated population is a healthy population.

Dude, don't know what planet you are on. No African country is anywhere close to the US in lifespan. In fact, no country with even a third of the population of the US is above them. Just tiny little countries with mostly European and Asian peoples.

Here is another newsflash for you. Lifespan does not = healthcare.

Healthcare is expensive. Some countries try to cheap out and make their populace wait for treatment until some of them die. Who would live in a shit hole like that?

 

[Grand Mal]

Dude, don't know what planet you are on. No African country is anywhere close to the US in lifespan. In fact, no country with even a third of the population of the US is above them. Just tiny little countries with mostly European and Asian peoples.

Here is another newsflash for you. Lifespan does not = healthcare.

Healthcare is expensive. Some countries try to cheap out and make their populace wait for treatment until some of them die. Who would live in a shit hole like that?

Dude, do you know the population demographics of all those Caribean island third-world countries where people live longer than they do in the US?
Heres a newsflash for you‐ lifespan is the best indicator of the relative health of national populations, which is the reason for a health care system. The best healthcare in the world thats not accessible to the general public is a failed system. In fact, if the wealthiest people get the best healthcare in the world but the national average lifespan is still low, that means the ordinary people die even younger than the average lifespan. Who would live in a shithole like that?
And population health is just one reason why Canada is a better place to live than some crowded, violent, sickly beehive country where half the population hates the other half and kids have to practice to prepare for mass killers in their schools.

 

[BahamaBob]

Dude, do you know the population demographics of all those Caribean island third-world countries where people live longer than they do in the US?
Heres a newsflash for you‐ lifespan is the best indicator of the relative health of national populations, which is the reason for a health care system. The best healthcare in the world thats not accessible to the general public is a failed system. In fact, if the wealthiest people get the best healthcare in the world but the national average lifespan is still low, that means the ordinary people die even younger than the average lifespan. Who would live in a shithole like that?
And population health is just one reason why Canada is a better place to live than some crowded, violent, sickly beehive country where half the population hates the other half and kids have to practice to prepare for mass killers in their schools.

The only Caribbean Island nation on that list is Martinique. It doesn't even have a population of 400K and the population is mostly mixed race. So again you are shown to be ignorant of the facts.

Just bear in mind in a couple of months when you are shoveling snow and fending off polar bears, I will be playing golf and boating in the Caribbean. Then come around and tell me how wonderful Canada is. Me and all the Canadian snowbirds down here will laugh our asses off.

 

[Grand Mal]

The only Caribbean Island nation on that list is Martinique. It doesn't even have a population of 400K and the population is mostly mixed race. So again you are shown to be ignorant of the facts.

Just bear in mind in a couple of months when you are shoveling snow and fending off polar bears, I will be playing golf and boating in the Caribbean. Then come around and tell me how wonderful Canada is. Me and all the Canadian snowbirds down here will laugh our asses off.

Mixed race? The population of Martinique is 80% black. And its not the only Caribbean nation above the USA on that list. Hell, French Guiana is above the USA.
Why are you citing population? A larger population is an advantage in delivering health care and figuring averages. You're just fumbling around here.
And of course you come back to weather. What's the matter, cold scares you? In Quebec they sing about it, "Mon pays, c'est l'hiver!"* Where I lived in the Yukon they would close the schools at -40 and the streets would be full of kids playing street hockey and sledding on the sidehills. Another benefit of a healthy population, I guess.


*- "My country, its the winter!"

 

[BahamaBob]

Mixed race? The population of Martinique is 80% black. And its not the only Caribbean nation above the USA on that list. Hell, French Guiana is above the USA.
Why are you citing population? A larger population is an advantage in delivering health care and figuring averages. You're just fumbling around here.
And of course you come back to weather. What's the matter, cold scares you? In Quebec they sing about it, "Mon pays, c'est l'hiver!"* Where I lived in the Yukon they would close the schools at -40 and the streets would be full of kids playing street hockey and sledding on the sidehills. Another benefit of a healthy population, I guess.


*- "My country, its the winter!"

Yeah sure first of all here is the demographics of Marinique.

Demographics​

French censuses do not ask for or record ethnicity. This means estimates of the percentages of Martinique’s ethnic composition can vary. The majority of Martinique’s population is of African heritage, mixed with some French, Carib Indian, Indo-Martiniquas (descendants of 19th century Indian immigrants), Lebanese, and Chinese. It's estimated the ethnic groups of Martinique break down as:

• 80% African/African-white-Indian mix
• 10% Indo-Martiniquais
• 5% White
• <5% Lebanese and Syrians/Chinese

Second, kids aren't the only ones who need exercise. I suppose you are going to try to tell me that people go out as much when it is -40 as when it is 85. No, I will be playing golf and pickle ball when your only exercise is watching kids out the window.

By the way, what do the experts say about going outside in the cold.

Freezing Temperatures: When Is It Unsafe to Be Outside? | PhysicianOne Urgent Care

While many people avoid cold weather, others are willing to brave the elements to run errands, keep up their fitness routines or enjoy some fun in the snow. Unfortunately, when people brave extreme temperatures, they can suffer serious complications related to hypothermia and frostbite. Before...

physicianoneurgentcare.com

How Cold Is Too Cold to Go Outside?

Human body is capable of maintaining a steady core temperature between 97°F and 99°F. However, it is essential to layer up in cold weather and wear comfortable clothes in warm weather, so that we stay protected from extremes of temperature.

www.medicinenet.com

 

[Grand Mal]

Yeah sure first of all here is the demographics of Marinique.

Demographics​

French censuses do not ask for or record ethnicity. This means estimates of the percentages of Martinique’s ethnic composition can vary. The majority of Martinique’s population is of African heritage, mixed with some French, Carib Indian, Indo-Martiniquas (descendants of 19th century Indian immigrants), Lebanese, and Chinese. It's estimated the ethnic groups of Martinique break down as:

• 80% African/African-white-Indian mix
• 10% Indo-Martiniquais
• 5% White
• <5% Lebanese and Syrians/Chinese

Second, kids aren't the only ones who need exercise. I suppose you are going to try to tell me that people go out as much when it is -40 as when it is 85. No, I will be playing golf and pickle ball when your only exercise is watching kids out the window.

By the way, what do the experts say about going outside in the cold.

Freezing Temperatures: When Is It Unsafe to Be Outside? | PhysicianOne Urgent Care

While many people avoid cold weather, others are willing to brave the elements to run errands, keep up their fitness routines or enjoy some fun in the snow. Unfortunately, when people brave extreme temperatures, they can suffer serious complications related to hypothermia and frostbite. Before...

physicianoneurgentcare.com

How Cold Is Too Cold to Go Outside?

Human body is capable of maintaining a steady core temperature between 97°F and 99°F. However, it is essential to layer up in cold weather and wear comfortable clothes in warm weather, so that we stay protected from extremes of temperature.

www.medicinenet.com

Thought you told me that White and Asian people live longer because genetics? Yeah, Im sure you did and you said that was why Canadas average was higher than the US. So why do people on an island thats nearly all black live longer than the people with the most expensive healthcare in the world?
Like I said, the best healthcare that is inaccessible to the population is a failed healthcare system. It makes a lie out of that old canard the American right likes to spout about Canadians not getting healthcare. It's bullshit, in other words and it doesn't matter how many urban-myth pseudo-anecdotes you repeat.
I live on the west coast. If it gets to -8 C, 17 F, its a cold winter day. And I don't understand why you want to compare the relative health of the populations of the US and anyone else from a developed country. Especially considering how many third-world countries have a longer lifespan than America has. Golf and pickleball? Canadians are still golfing and pickleballing years after Americans have shrivelled up and died.

 

[Maligning]

It's clear that you believe that the American healthcare system, despite being the most expensive in the world, fails to provide accessible healthcare to the population. You feel that the argument made by some on the American right, that Canadians don't have access to healthcare, is a lie and that repeating urban myths won't change the reality.

Regarding the weather, you mention that you live on the west coast and that -8 C is considered a cold winter day for you. You don't see the relevance of comparing the health of the population in the US to that of other developed countries, especially considering that many third-world countries have longer lifespans than America.

Lastly, you use golf and pickleball as examples to suggest that Canadians are still active and engaged in life, even as they age, while Americans seem to "shrivel up and die." Overall, it seems like you have a critical perspective on the American healthcare system and its impact on the population's overall health and well-being.

 

[Ug make hammer]

It's clear that you believe that the American healthcare system, despite being the most expensive in the world, fails to provide accessible healthcare to the population. You feel that the argument made by some on the American right, that Canadians don't have access to healthcare, is a lie and that repeating urban myths won't change the reality.

Because you don't use the Reply function, I feel empowered to reply. Not Canadian btw.

Healthcare and education are very similar cases. The US has excellent healthcare and excellent education for some (maybe even the majority) but the average is dragged down by some people who have no healthcare they can afford, or no education they can afford.

Public healthcare countries like the UK and Canada are slipping from the excellent standards they once had. In the UK at least, more and more of the public budget is going to private specialists (eg MRI machines which hospitals COULD have bought if funding was increased instead of always decreased ... as percent of GDP of course.)

The US has private healthcare (meaning hospitals) but also a huge percent of money-handlers in the form of insurance. If the US cut out the money-handlers, it could afford excellent care for everyone even while spending less than it currently does.

Regarding the weather, you mention that you live on the west coast and that -8 C is considered a cold winter day for you. You don't see the relevance of comparing the health of the population in the US to that of other developed countries, especially considering that many third-world countries have longer lifespans than America.

Not all countries measure life-span the same way. Also, the US has "patient side" problems like obesity and chemical exposure. Life expectancy is one measure of how good a healthcare system is, but it's most useful in pointing out specific problems like infant mortality.

The US is outstanding in one measure: years of life saved by treatment of gunshot wounds. Don't laugh.

Lastly, you use golf and pickleball as examples to suggest that Canadians are still active and engaged in life, even as they age, while Americans seem to "shrivel up and die." Overall, it seems like you have a critical perspective on the American healthcare system and its impact on the population's overall health and well-being.

The US is also quite good at treating the diseases of advanced age. There's money in that!

 

[notquiteright]

So self-defense is not a legitimate reason to own a gun.


Oddly enough I know quite a few Canucks who disagree strongly. Some of them might not still be around but for being defensively armed.

Wager a shiny nickel some 'good' Canadians are not around due to pistols being smuggled in from the good ol' USofA. The drug war failure is crossing the border to the north. Violent street crime is a relatively new problem in Canada....

Seems the answer to arming criminals is arming citizens as well...

 

[Hypothetical]

Yep.

I think relying on the cops in most cases is fine. But there is no reason someone should have to rely on them to defend themselves/others in their home.

the cops are rarely going to get there in time to save you if someone is trying to harm you outright.

 

[snakestretcher]

Canada has not released 2021 murder rates, but the US and Austria have.

The US had the largest number since the early 90s, also per capita, at around 25.000 murders, or 8 per 100k.

Austria had about 45 cases, or 0.5 per 100k.

The 45 cases are around the long-term average and neither the lowest (30 cases in 2014) nor the highest (the murder rate was over 1 per 100k until the mid-90s when the handgun law was significantly tightened).

In 2021 the UK suffered 35 (thirty five) fatalities from firearms. The US suffered around 45,000 that same year, according to CDC statistics. Canada is doing the right thing.

 

[snakestretcher]

Very Nazi like.

Saving lives is "Nazi like"? Interesting.

 

[snakestretcher]

I wonder if that clown PM up there realizes he is helping the pro gun side down here with his silly anti gun bed wetting?

His country, not yours. I doubt that Trudeau gives a damn about your gun violence epidemic, except for wanting to ensure Canada avoids the carnage you're enjoying.

 

[jaeger19]

Government’s to introduce Bill C-21, as Justin Trudeau says sport shooting and hunting the only grounds for ‘everyday’ gun ownership

...

Canada’s government is to legislate for a national freeze on handgun ownership that would prevent people buying and selling them anywhere in the country.

“The day this legislation goes into effect it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns in Canada,” said the prime minister, Justin Trudeau.

The government will also require long-gun magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds, and will ban the sale and transfer of large capacity magazines.

“Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives,” Trudeau said.

If passed, the freeze on handguns is expected to come into force in the autumn. Canada’s public safety minister had tabled regulatory amendments in parliament to ensure it can be implemented swiftly, a ministry statement said.

The killing of 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school in Texas in the United States has fed concern about gun violence worldwide. Canada already has significantly stronger gun ownership restrictions than its neighbour to the south.

The new legislation, Bill C-21, also proposes taking away the firearms licences of those involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking.

With Reuters

Canada plans complete freeze on handgun ownership

It will be illegal to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in country, Justin Trudeau says

www.theguardian.com

Canada - the sane & adult America.

Sane? Hardly.
Canada already had severely restrictive handgun laws. To the point where if you owned a handgun and wanted to take it to the range..you had to file an itinerary with CMP.
And with all those handgun restrictions.

The firearm most used by criminals in Canada? Handguns.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The government will also require long-gun magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds, and will ban the sale and transfer of large capacity magazines.

They're gonna be sorry when the zombie apocalypse happens.

What? The entire CNE is crawling with zombies and you only have FIVE BULLETS? You're ****ed now, hippies!

 

[Noodlegawd]

Government’s to introduce Bill C-21, as Justin Trudeau says sport shooting and hunting the only grounds for ‘everyday’ gun ownership

...

Canada’s government is to legislate for a national freeze on handgun ownership that would prevent people buying and selling them anywhere in the country.

“The day this legislation goes into effect it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns in Canada,” said the prime minister, Justin Trudeau.

The government will also require long-gun magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds, and will ban the sale and transfer of large capacity magazines.

“Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives,” Trudeau said.

If passed, the freeze on handguns is expected to come into force in the autumn. Canada’s public safety minister had tabled regulatory amendments in parliament to ensure it can be implemented swiftly, a ministry statement said.

The killing of 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school in Texas in the United States has fed concern about gun violence worldwide. Canada already has significantly stronger gun ownership restrictions than its neighbour to the south.

The new legislation, Bill C-21, also proposes taking away the firearms licences of those involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking.

With Reuters

Canada plans complete freeze on handgun ownership

It will be illegal to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in country, Justin Trudeau says

www.theguardian.com

Canada - the sane & adult America.

What does "need" have to do with anything?

 

[Taylor]

It's clear that you believe that the American healthcare system, despite being the most expensive in the world, fails to provide accessible healthcare to the population. You feel that the argument made by some on the American right, that Canadians don't have access to healthcare, is a lie and that repeating urban myths won't change the reality.

Regarding the weather, you mention that you live on the west coast and that -8 C is considered a cold winter day for you. You don't see the relevance of comparing the health of the population in the US to that of other developed countries, especially considering that many third-world countries have longer lifespans than America.

Lastly, you use golf and pickleball as examples to suggest that Canadians are still active and engaged in life, even as they age, while Americans seem to "shrivel up and die." Overall, it seems like you have a critical perspective on the American healthcare system and its impact on the population's overall health and well-being.

ChatGPT, is that you resurrecting threads?