Hamas will never recognise Israel

[cherokee]

WOW thats a Huge surprise from MECCA. I think I'll have a Heart attack and die from that surprise...............:roll:

Hamas has said it will never recognise Israel and that an agreement on a Palestinian unity government does not change the movement's position.

Nizar Rayyan, a senior Hamas leader in Gaza, said on Friday: "We will never recognise Israel. There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination."
His comments were endorsed by a Hamas spokesman.
For their part, Israeli officials said the unity deal cast doubt on the prospects of a three-way summit scheduled for February 19 between Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president; Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister; and Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state.

Tzachi Hanegbi, who heads the foreign affairs committee of the Israeli parliament, told Israel Radio: "Abu Mazen failed completely and he awarded a significant victory to Hamas.

"As a result, the chance of advancing an effective initiative and an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians has receded."

Western reactions

The EU is to study whether the new government, which could take several weeks to form, respects principles set by the Quartet for relations and financial aid to be restarted, which were halted after Hamas came to power in March 2006.


Al Jazeera English - Middle East

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I read this too, cherokee. As I've said, this is the reason that there is no peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

 

[Just Me 2]

What I don't understand is how did Israel came to be and why? Why is a religions group afforded a "country"? As far as I know being Jewish is being part of a religion not an ethnicity such as being French. Anyone can become Jewish but anyone can't become French. Can someone please explain this?



And before I start getting ripped apart I don't agree or disagree with whether Israel should be there I don't understand why and how they came to be there so I'm asking for clarification.

 

[cherokee]

What I don't understand is how did Israel came to be and why? Why is a religions group afforded a "country"? As far as I know being Jewish is being part of a religion not an ethnicity such as being French. Anyone can become Jewish but anyone can't become French. Can someone please explain this?



And before I start getting ripped apart I don't agree or disagree with whether Israel should be there I don't understand why and how they came to be there so I'm asking for clarification.

Yes anyone can become French. Lay down your weapon and surrender.:lamo

Sorry I had to say that... As for being Jewish, The best people to ask would be Tashah or FOJ they both live in Israel.

 

[mikhail]

though they did offer a 25 year ceacefire

 

[GarzaUK]

Yes anyone can become French. Lay down your weapon and surrender.:lamo

If it wasn't for the French all likelyhood is you'd be bowing down to Mecca three times a day. Battle of Tours, look it up.

Sorry I had to say that... As for being Jewish, The best people to ask would be Tashah or FOJ they both live in Israel.

As far I know Israel is a secular state, not a Jewish State - even though it is referred to it often.

 

[GarzaUK]

though they did offer a 25 year ceacefire

Not even Hamas can control all the splinter groups of terrorists. I doubt it would last.

 

[Iriemon]

As far I know Israel is a secular state, not a Jewish State - even though it is referred to it often.

Interesting comment on a country that has the star of David for a flag.

 

[GarzaUK]

Interesting comment on a country that has the star of David for a flag.

Maybe I'm wrong then?? :3oops:

 

[Iriemon]

I read this too, cherokee. As I've said, this is the reason that there is no peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

Though I haven't seen many offers by Israel to unify Israel and Palestine and then hold democratic elections. From the Palestinian perspective, I'd suppose they'd say that is why there is no peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

 

[Iriemon]

Maybe I'm wrong then?? :3oops:

Didn't mean to imply that necessarily. Depends upon your view of "secular" I suppose.

 

[RightOfCenter]

WOW thats a Huge surprise from MECCA. I think I'll have a Heart attack and die from that surprise...............:roll:

Hamas has said it will never recognise Israel and that an agreement on a Palestinian unity government does not change the movement's position.

Nizar Rayyan, a senior Hamas leader in Gaza, said on Friday: "We will never recognise Israel. There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination."
His comments were endorsed by a Hamas spokesman.
For their part, Israeli officials said the unity deal cast doubt on the prospects of a three-way summit scheduled for February 19 between Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president; Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister; and Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state.

Tzachi Hanegbi, who heads the foreign affairs committee of the Israeli parliament, told Israel Radio: "Abu Mazen failed completely and he awarded a significant victory to Hamas.

"As a result, the chance of advancing an effective initiative and an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians has receded."

Western reactions

The EU is to study whether the new government, which could take several weeks to form, respects principles set by the Quartet for relations and financial aid to be restarted, which were halted after Hamas came to power in March 2006.


Al Jazeera English - Middle East

I don't think this really qualifies as breaking news...does this actually surprise anyone?

 

[doughgirl]

This should really come as no surprise to anyone. The entire Middle East would love nothing more than to push the Jews into the sea, eliminate them all together.

Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri said, “They want peace and security and they want to occupy our land. It’s impossible."

Bin Laden said, “ To all Mujahudeen, your brothers in Palestine are waiting for you….it’s time to penetrate America and Israel and hit them where it hurts the most….Slay the United States and Israel.”

Palestinian Sheikh Khalil Al Alami said, “There is a new generation that is willing to fight America and this is something that America cannot stop.”

Osama said, “ My Muslim brothers of the world: Your brothers in Palestine and in the land of the two Holy Places are calling upon your help and asking you to take part in fighting against the enemy-your enemy-and their enemy-the Americans and the Israelis. They are asking you to do whatever you can, with one means and ability, to expel the enemy, humiliated and defeated, out of the sanctities of Islam.”

PA Mufti Ikrama Sabri said, “Jerusalem is a symbol for every Muslim in the world. The claim of the Jews to the right over it is false and we recognize nothing but an ENTIRELY ISLAMIC Jerusalem and under ISLAMIC supervision.”

Dr. Israr Ahmed Amir of the Tanzeem, Islami of Pakistan said, “ The process of the revival of Islam in different parts of the world is real. A final showdown between the Muslim world and the non-Muslim world, which has been captured by the Jews, will take place soon. The gulf War was just a rehersal for the coming conflict….Muslims of the world, including those in the U.S.A., prepare yourselves for the coming conflict.”

PLO Yassar Arafat said, “ I am sounding the alarm against the Jewish scheme, which aims to establish the Solomon Temple in the place of Al-Aqsa Mosgue, after removing the mosque….Delivering Holy Jerusalem from the monster represented by this continuous and advancing…threat of Judaization is a duty imposed upon all of us by Allah.”

And heres the biggy……..

Yasser Arafat said, “ Peace for us means THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. We are preparing for an all-out war that will last for generations. We shall not rest until the day when we return to our home and until we DESTROY ISRAEL.’

Land is not enough for them. They hate the JEWS. They hate Americans. They want worldwide domination and they are upfront about what they plan to do. No negotiations…….no sharing the land….no peace until they have the entire world for Allah. They want all non- believers dead.

And the Democrats in our country think peace will come in a few years. :rofl

The Muslims get it, the Jews get it.......Americans don't. The Muslims are prepared to fight for generations……and most American politicians want to pretend there is no threat at all.

 

[mikhail]

there is no logical reason for israel thats the problem

 

[cherokee]

If it wasn't for the French all likelyhood is you'd be bowing down to Mecca three times a day. Battle of Tours, look it up.

Yes you can predict that in year 700 & something if the French (if it was French) didn’t win the battle Islam would rule the world.....:Ok Whatever.

I'm still in shock the French had a pair...

As far I know Israel is a secular state, not a Jewish State - even though it is referred to it often.

Did I not saw they would have to ask Tashah or FOJ?

 

[Gardener]

Did I not saw they would have to ask Tashah or FOJ?

Can't speak for either of them,but right off hand, I would say people often indulge in false dichotomies.

Israel is not a theocracy, so from the stand point of whether or not religion runs the show, it is a secular state.

That doesn't mean Israel isn't the Jewish state, however, since it is the state for the Jewish people.

 

[Hatuey]

This should really come as no surprise to anyone. The entire Middle East would love nothing more than to push the Jews into the sea, eliminate them all together.

And heres the biggy……..

Land is not enough for them. They hate the JEWS. They hate Americans. They want worldwide domination and they are upfront about what they plan to do. No negotiations…….no sharing the land….no peace until they have the entire world for Allah. They want all non- believers dead.

And the Democrats in our country think peace will come in a few years. :rofl

The Muslims get it, the Jews get it.......Americans don't. The Muslims are prepared to fight for generations……and most American politicians want to pretend there is no threat at all.

I'll wait for you to provide some evidence that this is what the entire middle east wants. Until then, I'll just consider this Cheney like talk coming from some derranged Fundi like Anne Coulter with one too many Prozacks in her system.

 

[Hatuey]

Yes you can predict that in year 700 & something if the French (if it was French) didn’t win the battle Islam would rule the world.....:Ok Whatever.

I'm still in shock the French had a pair...

Well considering the battle of tours stopped the Islamic invasion of Europe and helped establish the Frankish and Carolignian empires and is directly and indirectly responsible for our forefathers being named "Jhon" and not "Youssef" . Tours determined wether or not Europe was going to become Muslim or Christian. Good thing the Christians won. Otherwise we'd be speaking some form of Arabic and reading the Qu'ran.

 

[Adrian]

By stating that it will never recognize Israel, Hamas has taken any negotiations off the table. That's rather silly. Now they can never make any demands. Duh!

 

[Hatuey]

By stating that it will never recognize Israel, Hamas has taken any negotiations off the table. That's rather silly. Now they can never make any demands. Duh!

What I find funny is they want to destroy Israel. How do you destroy something you believe to be nonexistant?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Though I haven't seen many offers by Israel to unify Israel and Palestine and then hold democratic elections. From the Palestinian perspective, I'd suppose they'd say that is why there is no peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

Why should Israel do that? Israel has their own country. Palestine should have their own country. The latter recognizing the former and not pledging the destruction of the former would be a great way for peace to occur. Of course with Hamas in charge, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

As far I know Israel is a secular state, not a Jewish State - even though it is referred to it often.

Depends on your definition of 'Jewish State'. If you mean, a nation where the official national religion is Judaism, then no, Israel is a secular, not Jewish State. If you mean a nation where the majority of citizens are Jewish and many laws and societal mores are based on Jewish tradition, then yes, Israel is a Jewish State. As you can see, it's actually both.

And as a side note, many countries utilize the religion of the majority of it's citizens as the basis for laws and mores. This is not special to Israel. Many countries laws and traditions are based on Christianity...yet they are not 'Christian States', but secular nations.

 

[Moot]

Depends on your definition of 'Jewish State'. If you mean, a nation where the official national religion is Judaism, then no, Israel is a secular, not Jewish State. If you mean a nation where the majority of citizens are Jewish and many laws and societal mores are based on Jewish tradition, then yes, Israel is a Jewish State. As you can see, it's actually both.

Israel started out as a secular Jewish state, but I think since 1967 it has pre-dominately become a Zionist state.

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And as a side note, many countries utilize the religion of the majority of it's citizens as the basis for laws and mores. This is not special to Israel. Many countries laws and traditions are based on Christianity...yet they are not 'Christian States', but secular nations.

Other than Muslim countries and perhaps India, I can't think of too many countries that base their laws on religion. The ones that used to base their laws on Christianity during the Dark Ages, have since become pre-dominately secular because of it. Now they avoid religion like the plague. The US is about the only western country that is both secular and religous. I guess that's what makes us so unique and yet so divided.

The US was founded on Deism, which is more of an intellectual philosophy than it is a religion. I just hope we can keep it that way.

 

[GarzaUK]

Israel started out as a secular Jewish state, but I think since 1967 it has pre-dominately become a Zionist state.

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmm debatable. I'm no fan of the settlements, I believe they act as an obstacle to peace in the region. But to say that all Israelis are zionists and all Israeli policies are Zionist is a bit short sighted. Since a Zionist would never pull out of Gaza, I think your statement is wrong.
From what I read in Time magazine a slight majority of Israelis would like to pull all the settlements out of the West Bank. Most of them are secular Israelis.
I watched a doc once about Israeli and Palestinian children. These two Israeli kids (from a moderate background) would not go near the Western Wall because they were afraid of the "religious people". I don't know how far it goes, but there is alot of mistrust between the moderates and radicals of Israel.
At the end those two kids meet with Palestinian children and they all played football together, very touching.

 

[Moot]

Hmm debatable. I'm no fan of the settlements, I believe they act as an obstacle to peace in the region. But to say that all Israelis are zionists and all Israeli policies are Zionist is a bit short sighted. Since a Zionist would never pull out of Gaza, I think your statement is wrong.
From what I read in Time magazine a slight majority of Israelis would like to pull all the settlements out of the West Bank. Most of them are secular Israelis....

Sorry but you are wrong because I never said ALL Israelis were Zionists. To imply that I did is near sighted. However, they do seem to dominate the current ruling Lukid party and they do seem very determined to make it into a Zionist state in spite of what Time Magazine says.