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Hamas Leaders Cite October 7 Massacre as Impetus for International Support for Palestinian Nation

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Hamas Leaders Cite October 7 Massacre as Impetus for International Support for Palestinian Nation


In an Al-Jazeera interview over the weekend, Senior Hamas political bureau member Ghazi Hamad openly credited the October 7 terrorist attack with forcing Western nations to recognize a Palestinian state, declaring that “the initiative by several countries to recognize a Palestinian state is one of the 'fruits of October 7th.'"

Here is his actual quote:

"The powerful blow that was delivered to Israel on October 7 has yielded three very important historic achievements. First of all, it brought the Palestinian cause back [to center stage]. Why are all these countries recognizing Palestine now? Had any country dared to recognize the state of Palestine, prior to October 7? The overall outcome of October 7 forced the world to open its eyes to the Palestinian cause, and to act forcefully in this respect. [They recognize now] that the Palestinian people deserve freedom and their own state."

"The second thing is that the whole world believed that the occupation state is a beautiful democratic country and suffering from oppression and persecution. Today, I believe that the whole world has become convinced [otherwise], and that the mask has fallen from Israel's face. The whole world is acting against Israel. The rallies and festivals in America, Britain, France, and Germany talk about the genocide. Who would have thought that the PM of the occupation state would become wanted by the ICC, and so would the [IDF] Chief of Staff. Israel is now accused of genocide and ethnic cleansing. All of those things were revealed about Israel."

"The third thing is that people who thought that defeating Israel is difficult [realized] today that it is very easy. Today, through October 7, we proved that defeating Israel is not as difficult as people had thought."



There you have it. The end goal of Hamas. The reason they started this war in the first place. Probably the worst "I told you so" I've ever had the misfortune of delivering.

What a sad world we live in where recognizing a terrorist organization and giving in to its demands is considered worth the extra clicks you can get to bring traffic to your site, or the extra votes you can gin up in your home country, simply by amplifying the word "genocide" on social media.
 

Arab: says something

Zionist: THESE BLOODTHRISTY SUBHUMAN PIG ANIMALS DESERVE TOTAL ANNHILATION I WILL NOT BE SATED UNTIL I'VE TASTED THE BLOOD OF TWO MILLION PALESTINIANS AND PALESTINE HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A COSTCO PARKING LOT RAHHHH
 
Hamas are scum, murdering scum. Anyone supporting Hamas is of the same ilk.
 
STFU Hamas you murderous bastards.

A two state solution has long been a proposed solution for the region.
I agree. And Hamas has complicated this solution. It should no longer be possible to have a two-state solution so long as Hamas rules what remains of Gaza. But they are starting to get more and more of the world on their side, such that it seems increasing likely that it may be possible to achieve a two-state with Hamas in power. I know several posters on this site who would welcome that. The carnage resulting from the war has turned everyone against Israel, which was the whole intent of 10/7 in the first place.

Our inability to tell the difference between genocide and warfare against a terrorist organization that is using a densely packed civilian population as human shields has ensured that Hamas' strategy has borne fruit. Raping, murdering, and kidnapping Israeli children may have actually worked.

What sucks about this isn't that what he is saying is wrong. It's that what he is saying isn't wrong. Hamas placed a bet on the moral myopia of the world, and it appears to have paid off.
 

Had Israel not continued starving Palestinians in Gaza, do you think the world would still react the same way?

The world is not supporting Hamas, because not all Palestinians in Gaza are Hamas, and I have not seen any country claim Hamas can have a role moving forward.
 
STFU Hamas you murderous bastards.

A two state solution has long been a proposed solution for the region.

And the Palestinians have turned down every offer starting with the Peel Commission in 1937.

In 2008 Israel offered them about 95% of the West Bank and a secure corridor between it and Gaza.
 
How is anyone going to stop Hamas from having a role moving forward?
 
And the Palestinians have turned down every offer starting with the Peel Commission in 1937.

In 2008 Israel offered them about 95% of the West Bank and a secure corridor between it and Gaza.
Palestinians turned down the offer or Hamas did?
 
Hamas are murderous sociopaths that deserve to be eradicated.

Israel is carrying on a campaign of genocide in Gaza.

Both things can be true.

*can, but *aren't.

"Genocide" is not a lot of civilians dying in a war against a terrorist group that hides among them (and terrorizes them itself).

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How is anyone going to stop Hamas from having a role moving forward?

Are you then supporting starving and bombing what is left in Gaza to be sure that Hamas can't have a role?

I'd be happy if a U.N. force was sent in and didn't hold back on engaging with anyone trying to destabilize the situation. Sounds like a far better idea than watching innocent humans starve to death.
 
The PA president says it was because he wasn't allowed to keep the map he was shown. In reality, both sides were still negotiating the particulars, with hardliners on both sides demanding more concessions for their side. When the Israeli prime minister was indicted and lost power, the peace offer stalled as hardliners took over on the Israeli side who objected to the deal that was heavily in favor of Palestinians.

It was an historical missed opportunity.
 
Are you then supporting starving and bombing what is left in Gaza to be sure that Hamas can't have a role?
I do not support starving anyone in Gaza. Nor do I support bombing innocent Palestinians civilians.

I do support targeting Hamas members with airstrikes, unless there is a way to take them out more surgically. Unfortunately, until Israel takes control of the remaining 35% of Gaza, there isn't a way to do it more sugically.


I'd be happy if a U.N. force was sent in and didn't hold back on engaging with anyone trying to destabilize the situation. Sounds like a far better idea than watching innocent humans starve to death.
The UN force would do the exact same thing Israel is doing, because there is no other way to fight a heavily armed terrorist organization that is dug in amongst a densely populated civilian population. Chances are a UN force would end up with more Palestinian casualties, not less, because the IDF knows Hamas and knows the territory better than a bunch of foreigners would.
 
Of course they think it's a victory for them - because it is. This lets them go back to the Gazan people with a win, a victory, and claim (credibly, probably accurately) that said victory was the result of their decision to launch a massive war. This massively incentivizes them to keep the war going, and pushes any actual potential peace solution even further away. It will result in more conflict and death, not less.


What France, the UK, Canada, and this move's supporters on this forum refuse to acknowledge is that their actions and words are producing the opposite of the effect they claim to want.

Remarkably stupid, unless you think that the leaders don't actually care about the Palestinian people, they just want to claim they care about the Palestinian people.
 
None of the offers were given to Hamas. In 1937 and 1947 they didn't even exist.

Correct. HAMAS was instead given straight up autonomy, freely, in 2005. Israel went through the process of using its own security forces to forcibly remove its own citizens - even its dead - to give Gaza over to the Palestinians to rule themselves. It was the great experiment, pushed by the peaceniks and others who believed that granting the Palestinians self-rule and land would produce peace.

The world got to see what it would look like if we had a Palestinian state.
 
Hamas is getting exactly what they wanted. Every dead civilian is another nail in Israel's coffin in terms of their image on the world stage.
 

The only humans I've seen starving nearly to death in Gaza are the hostages. The photos everyone else seems to keep finding reliably turn out to be people suffering from severe genetic and other disorders that make their body look emaciated.

A million cell phones in Gaza. If there was actual famine, it seems we'd have the actual widespread evidence of widespread starvation. Instead we get pictures of a kid with cystic fibrosis next to a perfectly healthy three-year-old, or pictures of kids from Yemen, or the Yazidi.

HAMAS has convinced the global media to carry false narratives about famine before. It appears they have succeeded once again.
 
Hamas is getting exactly what they wanted. Every dead civilian is another nail in Israel's coffin in terms of their image on the world stage.

Has there ever been a war in world history where one side will blow some four year old's head off and then be like, "I can't believe these TERRORISTS are tarnishing my image on the global stage!"

Like at least when we were dropping chemicals on Vietnamese kids we made a positive argument - "**** YEAH, FREEDOM!". Even if I was ideologically aligned with Israel, I'd be so embarrassed by the incessant victim narrative coming from the overwhelmingly superior power.
 
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