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Hamas has just admitted Israel has the right to exist (1 Viewer)

cherokee said:
*Breaking news*
Hamas has just admitted Israel has the right to exist!
I wonder if the Israeli army massing at its boarder had anything to do with this?


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2123471
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They're about fifty years behind the times aren't they? Has Hammas renounced its charter? If not then these are nothing more than hollow words put forth to try and fend off the impending retaliation for their kidnapping of the Israeli soldier.
 
You know as well as I do its nothing more then hollow words...
its the whole "Israeli army massing" thing..:mrgreen:
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
They're about fifty years behind the times aren't they? Has Hammas renounced its charter? If not then these are nothing more than hollow words put forth to try and fend off the impending retaliation for their kidnapping of the Israeli soldier.
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TOT, I'm with you on this one...
 
One problem.


Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Neither do we.

Individuals have rights. Groups of individuals don't.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
What? No, nations have rights too. Ever hear of soveriegnty?
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Yes, I've heard of that.

I beleive Iraq once had that.

Nations have powers. Individuals have rights.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Holy christ somebody call a priest because I think hell may have frozen over. :mrgreen:
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Wait a minute, we're both Atheists, call a Secular Humanist! :mrgreen: Well, I'm an Agnostic Atheist
 
zymurgy said:
One problem.


Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Neither do we.

Individuals have rights. Groups of individuals don't.
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The headline of this thread is misleading, I guess. I did not find this "right to exist" formulation somewhere in this article. The whole "right to exist" argument is misleading. There is no "right to exist" in international law.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
I'm an agnostic not an atheist and like Jefferson I do realize that there are certain social benefits to organized religion.
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OMG more agreement with TOT. I need to take a shower. :mrgreen:
 
When Hamas indulges in Al Takeyya, they really do indulge, don't they?

Hamas official A -- "do you think the infidels will buy that one?"

Hamas official B -- "They always do, Mohammad, they always do"
 
Volker said:
The headline of this thread is misleading, I guess. I did not find this "right to exist" formulation somewhere in this article. The whole "right to exist" argument is misleading. There is no "right to exist" in international law.
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Sure there is.
And its backed up by the right of a state to defend itself.
 
zymurgy said:
Yes, I've heard of that.

I beleive Iraq once had that.

Nations have powers. Individuals have rights.
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zymurgy said:
Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Neither do we.
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With regards to Iraq, we have dispensed with a corrupt sham sustained by "old Europe" and slothful miserly individuals every where else: the notion that a dictator, no matter how cruel and illegitimate, is untouchable behind his "sovereign" borders. "Sovereignty" brings with it a responsibility to the people. It is not a shield. "Sovereignty" is a notion that protects decent and fair countries - not a license for brutal tyrants.

With regards with what has and hasn't the right to exist, nations exist, because of the individuals and in turn, those individuals clebebrate their freedoms, because their nations protect them. A nation has every right to exist if the people recognize it and wish it to exist. You have not earned your rights. You have not fought for your rights. You were merely born into it. Most people are born into state sponsered oppression and terror. Your rights have been given to you on a platter by your nation and as long as your nation exists, you will continue to have those rights.

Like I said, "soveriegnty" brings with it a responsibility to the people.


What exactly was your point? This is a good thing. Only the Iranian Mullahs, the Saudi elite, and the Radical elements throughout the region who want to spill every drop of Palestinian blood in order to destroy Israel would be upset over this. Of course, let's not forget the anti-semites, Nazis....
 
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Wow, you mean they've begun to demonstrate a freshman year undertsanding of international relations? :roll: Really, this is just Hamas and the other terror groups tipping their collective caps to Abbas because they know that as long as they pretend like their towing the line then the west will feel obliged to continue propping up the PA and they will be able to continue their campaign of terror behind a facade of compliance, everything that has been seen in the past with the PLO and Arafat. Plus as Cherokee correctly states the whole PA is sweating on the prospect of having their a**es kicked up and down the Gaza Strip over that kidnapped soldier, because blowing up busloads of women and kids is a whole different ball game to facing off against Israeli infantry and armour, they would rather avoid a stand up fight.
 
GySgt said:
Your rights have been given to you by your nation and as long as your nation exists, you will continue to have those rights. .
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More specifically, your rights have been given to you by the people that fought and died to earn and protect them.

People like you, Gunny.

:clap:
 
Goobieman said:
Sure there is.
And its backed up by the right of a state to defend itself.
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I only know the usage of this formulation in the context of this Middle East conflict.
 
Volker said:
I only know the usage of this formulation in the context of this Middle East conflict.
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Not sure what that means...?

"International law" comes from two sources -- custom and treaty.
Under "international law", states have rights, spelled out on treaties or as according to established customs.

Among the established customs, and thus, among the tenets of "International law" is that state have certain rights - the right to exist, the right to defend themselves, and the right to self-determination.
 
i was thinking about this...
it may be that the threat of the israeli army amassing on the border pushed them. but , how much more legal it would be for hamas, in their mind,if they aknowledge, and then attack. the legality for hamas, makes israel a 'legit' infadil. Hamas is recognizing, with fingers crossed behind their back,anyone who doesnt know that, is dreaming. The israelis are hoping and praying for peace.. there will never be peace in this area. israelis and arabs have been fighting .....since.. well ..since the phillistines.
 
Goobieman said:
More specifically, your rights have been given to you by the people that fought and died to earn and protect them.

People like you, Gunny.

:clap:
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Well, I appreciate that, but I was born into my freedom just like the rest of America. We are a blessed people, despite the negativities of doom sayers.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Holy christ somebody call a priest because I think hell may have frozen over. :mrgreen:
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That's right, it has. Make that another agreement on the charter.
 

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