Hamas being Hamas.... Excusing murder

[Fledermaus]

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals


Palestinians living in Gaza have been told by Hamas that it is permissible under Islam to kill Israeli civilians because they are criminals. The message came in a television series broadcast on Hamas' Al Aqsa TV.

"Self-Sacrificing Fighter" (Fida’i) features a scene in which an armed terrorist shoots and kills diners at a restaurant in Tel Aviv. Following the attack, a Palestinian woman being interrogated by an Israeli investigator tells him that the attack was justified because Islam allows for criminals to be killed, according to a translation by Palestinian Media Watch (PMW).

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals

Viewiers tuning in to the TV show "Self-Sacrificing Fighter" (Fida’i) watched Jewish characters say they hate all Arabs, and Arab characters justify the murder of Jews.

www.jpost.com

Ah, Hamas always preaching peace.... (End sarcasm)

 

[stevecanuck]

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals


Palestinians living in Gaza have been told by Hamas that it is permissible under Islam to kill Israeli civilians because they are criminals. The message came in a television series broadcast on Hamas' Al Aqsa TV.

"Self-Sacrificing Fighter" (Fida’i) features a scene in which an armed terrorist shoots and kills diners at a restaurant in Tel Aviv. Following the attack, a Palestinian woman being interrogated by an Israeli investigator tells him that the attack was justified because Islam allows for criminals to be killed, according to a translation by Palestinian Media Watch (PMW).

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals

Viewiers tuning in to the TV show "Self-Sacrificing Fighter" (Fida’i) watched Jewish characters say they hate all Arabs, and Arab characters justify the murder of Jews.

www.jpost.com

Ah, Hamas always preaching peace.... (End sarcasm)

This is not news to anyone who's taken the time to examine the qur'an in detail. Verse 5:33 says to kill the doers of 'fasad', which translates to rottenness/corruption. which in turn is described as religious infidelity in many verses. B follows A.

 

[GummyVitamins]

They're working really hard to get a seat on the UN Human Rights Council. If they keep this up perhaps they'll finally get it in the next term.

 

[justabubba]

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

 

[TypicalRussian]

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals


Palestinians living in Gaza have been told by Hamas that it is permissible under Islam to kill Israeli civilians because they are criminals. The message came in a television series broadcast on Hamas' Al Aqsa TV.

"Self-Sacrificing Fighter" (Fida’i) features a scene in which an armed terrorist shoots and kills diners at a restaurant in Tel Aviv. Following the attack, a Palestinian woman being interrogated by an Israeli investigator tells him that the attack was justified because Islam allows for criminals to be killed, according to a translation by Palestinian Media Watch (PMW).

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals

Viewiers tuning in to the TV show "Self-Sacrificing Fighter" (Fida’i) watched Jewish characters say they hate all Arabs, and Arab characters justify the murder of Jews.

www.jpost.com

Ah, Hamas always preaching peace.... (End sarcasm)

woah woah if we are on the TV deal, why did Israel broadcast PORN on children tv and censor christians

both sides are bad

 

[Fledermaus]

woah woah if we are on the TV deal, why did Israel broadcast PORN on children tv and censor christians

both sides are bad

Porn = Murder....

Yep. Same same.

 

[oneworld2]

They're working really hard to get a seat on the UN Human Rights Council. If they keep this up perhaps they'll finally get it in the next term.

Well, the UN/UNHRC usually state the same as the mainstream Human Rights groups do in their analysis of the situation which is basically that both sides have and do commit war crimes.

 

[oneworld2]

People might need to assess the situation and apply standards across the board like..........

Is the Israeli use of " self defence " to justify those civilians they have killed on the Palestinian side that solid ?

For sure they have the right to self defence but surely so do the Palestinians ( although you wouldn't think it when reading many posts on boards like these )

Do a people have the right to try to ouster occupiers that are denying them their human rights in the form of a brutal and repressive military occupation ? We seem okay with this when it is white people resisting that occupation and brutalisation but not so much when it's brown people , imo.

The targeting of civilians during an ongoing conflict is a war crime and the truth is that both sides justify them with what they have available to them but , here in the West and for obvious reasons , we see a very one sided application of justifications , whether the actions themselves are crimes or not.

This is not so black and white as some people try to make out ,imo.

 

[Fledermaus]

People might need to assess the situation and apply standards across the board like..........

Is the Israeli use of " self defence " to justify those civilians they have killed on the Palestinian side that solid ?

For sure they have the right to self defence but surely so do the Palestinians ( although you wouldn't think it when reading many posts on boards like these )

Do a people have the right to try to ouster occupiers that are denying them their human rights in the form of a brutal and repressive military occupation ? We seem okay with this when it is white people resisting that occupation and brutalisation but not so much when it's brown people , imo.

The targeting of civilians during an ongoing conflict is a war crime and the truth is that both sides justify them with what they have available to them but , here in the West and for obvious reasons , we see a very one sided application of justifications , whether the actions themselves are crimes or not.

This is not so black and white as some people try to make out ,imo.

The subject of the thread is

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals

Trying to make it about Israel is pathetic Whataboutism.


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[oneworld2]

The subject of the thread is

Hamas' TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals

Trying to make it about Israel is pathetic Whataboutism.


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The charge is whether Israeli actions are criminal and obviously some of them are. That's not straying from the subject at all.

They don't need Islam to use as a justification seeing as people should recognize the right of a people to resist a mass denial of their rights under a brutal and repressive military occupation in a bid to self determination.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Well, the UN/UNHRC usually state the same as the mainstream Human Rights groups do in their analysis of the situation which is basically that both sides have and do commit war crimes.

Most Human Rights groups have an unhealthy indoctrination of liberal bias. The UN Human Rights Council might as well be the Anti-Israel Council. In it's adopted year it sanctioned only one country in the world for violations, Israel.. and it did so repeatedly that year. It has condemned Israel more than all other countries in the world combined since its indoctrination. Let that sink in.

 

[stevecanuck]

Most Human Rights groups have an unhealthy indoctrination in liberal bias. The UN Human Rights Council might as well be the Anti-Israel Council. In it's adopted year it sanctioned only one country in the world for violations, Israel.. and it did so repeatedly that year. It has condemned Israel more than all other countries in the world combined since its indoctrination. Let that sink in.

Pakistan is on the Human Rights Council. They throw people in jail and lose the key for the 'crime' of "insulting Islam". Un-freaking-believable.

 

[Fledermaus]

The charge is whether Israeli actions are criminal and obviously some of them are. That's not straying from the subject at all.

They don't need Islam to use as a justification seeing as people should recognize the right of a people to resist a mass denial of their rights under a brutal and repressive military occupation in a bid to self determination.

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[oneworld2]

Most Human Rights groups have an unhealthy indoctrination of liberal bias. The UN Human Rights Council might as well be the Anti-Israel Council. In it's adopted year it sanctioned only one country in the world for violations, Israel.. and it did so repeatedly that year. It has condemned Israel more than all other countries in the world combined since its indoctrination. Let that sink in.

Well, the charge is whether or not the claim that Jews ( in this case Israeli Jews ) are criminals is sustainable. Obviously some of the actions /policies of the state of Israel qualify as crimes and thus it isn't really a bias imo. Add into the mix the fact that these crimes have been carried out over a very long period and layered on top of eachother it isn't difficult to understand how a substantial rap sheet is accumulated. Don't want to be referred to as criminals ?................. don't commit crimes year in year out and the rap sheet disappears

 

[oneworld2]

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Non applicable

 

[Fledermaus]

Non applicable

Have you anything to add pertaining to Hamas TV declaring the murder of Jews is justified?

 

[Fledermaus]

Well, the charge is whether or not the claim that Jews ( in this case Israeli Jews ) are criminals is sustainable. Obviously some of the actions /policies of the state of Israel qualify as crimes and thus it isn't really a bias imo. Add into the mix the fact that these crimes have been carried out over a very long period and layered on top of eachother it isn't difficult to understand how a substantial rap sheet is accumulated. Don't want to be referred to as criminals ?................. don't commit crimes year in year out and the rap sheet disappears

What crimes have the citizens of Siderot committed?

What crimes have the citizens of the other civilian centers near Gaza committed?

None.

And those are the targets of Hamas. Civilians. That have done nothing criminal.

Painting the entidity of Jews as criminal is as antisemitic as it gets.

Let's turn this on its head. Make it sauce for the Goose. We can call it the Oneworld2 rule of Criminality. Since Hamas commits terror attacks it is justified to kill Palestinians in general. How does that sound to you?

 

[GummyVitamins]

Well, the charge is whether or not the claim that Jews ( in this case Israeli Jews ) are criminals is sustainable. Obviously some of the actions /policies of the state of Israel qualify as crimes and thus it isn't really a bias imo. Add into the mix the fact that these crimes have been carried out over a very long period and layered on top of eachother it isn't difficult to understand how a substantial rap sheet is accumulated. Don't want to be referred to as criminals ?................. don't commit crimes year in year out and the rap sheet disappears

If you think Isreal commits more human rights violations than all other countries in the world combined you don't know anything about human rights. This is just anti-semitism wrapped up in liberal naivete.

 

[oneworld2]

If you think Isreal commits more human rights violations than all other countries in the world combined you don't know anything about human rights. This is just anti-semitism wrapped up in liberal naivete.

That's not what I said and you know that's not what I said. I'll wager you know a whole lot less about HRs than I do and are employing the, almost mandatory for some people, antisemitic accusation to serve as a wouldbe gagg to any that tell the truth about the crimes committed by the state of Israel and it's forces and many of its citizens illegally residing in Palestine.

What you actually seem to be saying is that if a Jewish person/state commits a crime/crimes against or violates the rights of another it is " antisemitic " ( read racist ) to say so. That's rubbish imo whether it applies to Jews , Arabs, blacks, whites whoever, even if it is the standard response from the , allegedly, pro Israel posters.

 

[Apocalypse]

If you think Isreal commits more human rights violations than all other countries in the world combined you don't know anything about human rights. This is just anti-semitism wrapped up in liberal naivete.

I wouldn't say liberal since the majority of countries involved are far from liberal. It's just flat out antisemitism for the sake of antisemitism.

 

[oneworld2]

Have you anything to add pertaining to Hamas TV declaring the murder of Jews is justified?

You might want to rewatch the video yourself and/or read the article you cited and review whether the accusations you and those from the Israeli spin doctors at PMW are putting out.

Like, where does it state or show any Palestinians claiming the "murder of Jews" is justified ? The authors claim they refer to Israeli civilians. Not all Jews are Israeli and some of them are diametrically opposed to the idea of a Jewish state. Accuracy matters and your statement is inaccurate.

The video shows , what appears to be a terrorist attack carried out by an Arab. It then shows a woman being interrogated as an alleged suspect. She is asked " didn't you set out to murder innocents ?" to which she replies " we are not criminals like you and we are not murderers". That reads to me that she rejects the charge and adds that her religion " forbids her to kill civilians "

He then asks her " so who did you set out to kill ?" To which she replies that she set out to murder " criminals like you. " So who is she speaking to ? Looks like a police/ army interrogator. The other guy standing guard is in military dress. Thus she is actually saying that they set out to kill army/police of the state that is occupying them and violating their human rights everyday up to and including the denial of their right to self determination.

So, just like the , documented, bias of the likes of PMW, an outfit started up by a man who resides in a criminal status by living in occupied Palestine in an illegal settlement house, your commentary is inaccurate and based on trying to demonize people on the Palestinian side only.

 

[TypicalRussian]

Porn = Murder....

Yep. Same same.

so are you defending israel actions

 

[GummyVitamins]

That's not what I said and you know that's not what I said.

My statement was that the UNHRC sanctions Israel more than all other countries in the world combined. Your response was "Well, the charge is whether or not the claim that Jews ( in this case Israeli Jews ) are criminals is sustainable. Obviously some of the actions /policies of the state of Israel qualify as crimes and thus it isn't really a bias imo." If that isn't what you said, you didn't do a good job saying what you meant.

I'll wager you know a whole lot less about HRs than I do and are employing the, almost mandatory for some people, antisemitic accusation to serve as a wouldbe gagg to any that tell the truth about the crimes committed by the state of Israel and it's forces and many of its citizens illegally residing in Palestine.

You mentioned earlier about the crimes going back a long time, but you're failing to recognize that the UNHRC is relatively new. Based on your previous statements, I'd wager you don't really know much about this subject beyond how criminal you think Israel is.

What you actually seem to be saying is that if a Jewish person/state commits a crime/crimes against or violates the rights of another it is " antisemitic " ( read racist ) to say so. That's rubbish imo whether it applies to Jews , Arabs, blacks, whites whoever, even if it is the standard response from the , allegedly, pro Israel posters.

What I'm precisely stating is that someone is anti-Semitic if they believe a global human rights organization who sanctions Israel more than all other countries in the world combined is not biased. It's not a matter of being pro-Israel. It's a matter of being willing to state the obvious rather than making excuses because you don't mind Israel being the one attacked. This is especially true given your claim of being extremely knowledgeable about human rights abuses.

 

[Fledermaus]

so are you defending israel actions

Where did I defend Israel's actions?

I simply put your nonsense in perspective.

 

[TypicalRussian]

Where did I defend Israel's actions?

I simply put your nonsense in perspective.

israel murders more than hamas