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Hamas armed wing ends truce with Israel

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The Qassam brigades, the military wing of Hamas, announced that they were no longer committed to its de facto ceasefire with Israel in effect since more than two years ago.

"There is no longer any truce with the enemy," said the statement broadcast over a Hamas radio station early on Saturday.

Rockets have been launched from Gaza into Israel and Israeli aircraft have struck targets in the Palestinian territory in the back-and-forth aftermath of deadly attacks a day before in southern Israel.

At least eleven Palestinians have been killed and 30 were injured in the past 24 hours by Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip which began on Thursday. Four Israelis have been injured by rockets fired from Gaza.


Video and more at: Hamas armed wing ends truce with Israel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

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The Qassam brigades, the military wing of Hamas, announced that they were no longer committed to its de facto ceasefire with Israel in effect since more than two years ago.

"There is no longer any truce with the enemy," said the statement broadcast over a Hamas radio station early on Saturday.

Rockets have been launched from Gaza into Israel and Israeli aircraft have struck targets in the Palestinian territory in the back-and-forth aftermath of deadly attacks a day before in southern Israel.

At least eleven Palestinians have been killed and 30 were injured in the past 24 hours by Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip which began on Thursday. Four Israelis have been injured by rockets fired from Gaza.


Video and more at: Hamas armed wing ends truce with Israel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

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I have a thought, with what is happening in Syria, Lybia, Irans encroachment and meddling, the saudis not happy with us AND Iran, Turkey thinking of getting involved in Syria as a buffer zone, and their actions against the Kurds ..all of that, possible the condemnation of the Israeli's , with the attacks and killings that went on will not be as loud and stringent as it has in the past when the israelis took action in Gaza.

Especially if Hamas starts sending their own rockets over to Israel and don't forget the Egyptian now in the Sinai supposedly trying to control those terrorist there.

If hamas does continue the attacks , I beleive it will give the Israelis the opportunity to deal with the military wing in a strong way, strong nough that after a shhort time they might change their mind as they lose more and more fighters and more important leadership, I belive the Israeli's will now go after their leadership, I beleive they know who the majority of their leadership is and where most of them can be found.

It will be interesting to see if pressure will be put on Fatah and Abbas and the PA leadership to get involved...while they migh lose some support by Palastinian by siting it out, I think in the long run , it will be to their benefit to sit this out. IMHO of course..you did ask for thoughts, comments .
 

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I have a thought, with what is happening in Syria, Lybia, Irans encroachment and meddling, the saudis not happy with us AND Iran, Turkey thinking of getting involved in Syria as a buffer zone, and their actions against the Kurds ..all of that, possible the condemnation of the Israeli's , with the attacks and killings that went on will not be as loud and stringent as it has in the past when the israelis took action in Gaza.

Perhaps that is what Israel thinks and with papers appearing not to give proper information concerning this - that is that the Gazans appear not responsible for the Eliat killings, hence no reason for Israel to kill in Gaza, you would appear to have a point right now.

There have of course already been demonstrations

Anti-Israel protests planned after terror attack | The Jewish Chronicle

and protests are always slow in getting going.

Especially if Hamas starts sending their own rockets over to Israel

You appear to have a double standard here. Israel responded to an Al Qaeda attack by killing civilians and militants in Gaza but if Gaza responds to an 'unprovoked' killing of her own this is wrong? The response from Gaza was typical and to be expected, though I think they would better have served themselves by restraint at this time.

and don't forget the Egyptian now in the Sinai supposedly trying to control those terrorist there.

Exactly and it would appear it is because of this situation that human beings in Gaza have been killed. Why do you not think they have a right to be as angry as Israel at this unprovoked killing?

If hamas does continue the attacks , I beleive it will give the Israelis the opportunity to deal with the military wing in a strong way, strong nough that after a shhort time they might change their mind as they lose more and more fighters and more important leadership, I belive the Israeli's will now go after their leadership, I beleive they know who the majority of their leadership is and where most of them can be found.

We need to put this in context. Israel does not want the UN vote in September. Further Israel was having a hard time with ever increasing 'tent protests'. I might be forgiven for thinking the incursions into Gaza when there was no evidence they were responsible, might be provocation to start a diversion from the Palestinians move towards UN recognition and increasing social unrest within Israel.



It will be interesting to see if pressure will be put on Fatah and Abbas and the PA leadership to get involved...while they migh lose some support by Palastinian by siting it out, I think in the long run , it will be to their benefit to sit this out. IMHO of course..you did ask for thoughts, comments .

Not interesting. We are dealing with the lives of thousands of people. It is much more important than 'interesting'. Alan Hart expands here on an article by David Hearst in the Guardian
There is an Arabic word you come across a lot when Palestinians talk about their future. Sumud means steadfastness, and it has turned into a strategy: when the imbalance of power is so pronounced, the most important thing to do is to stay put. Staying put against overwhelming odds is regarded as a victory.”

Hearst didn’t offer any substantial explanation of why Palestinian steadfastness is a victory, so I will.

http://www.alanhart.net/“could-arab-palestinian-staying-power-ultimately-defeat-zionism”/#more-1569
 
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Perhaps that is what Israel thinks and with papers appearing not to give proper information concerning this - that is that the Gazans appear not responsible for the Eliat killings, hence no reason for Israel to kill in Gaza, you would appear to have a point right now.

Wait a sec, aren't you the one who said it weren't Palestinians who butchered the Fogel family?
If the IDF decided to react and attack the PLC high command then they probably had the intelegence to attack them, otherwise why attacking the PLC and not Hamas or Islamic Jihad? But yea, if the IDF don't want to tell alexa where it gets its intelegence from its probably just another lie, you know, like when they lied about the Fogel family butchers.
 

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The Qassam brigades, the military wing of Hamas, announced that they were no longer committed to its de facto ceasefire with Israel in effect since more than two years ago.

"There is no longer any truce with the enemy," said the statement broadcast over a Hamas radio station early on Saturday.

Rockets have been launched from Gaza into Israel and Israeli aircraft have struck targets in the Palestinian territory in the back-and-forth aftermath of deadly attacks a day before in southern Israel.

At least eleven Palestinians have been killed and 30 were injured in the past 24 hours by Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip which began on Thursday. Four Israelis have been injured by rockets fired from Gaza.


Video and more at: Hamas armed wing ends truce with Israel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

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news flash, Israel is being attacked by rockets at least once a month for the past 10 years. what cease fire are they talking about?
 

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news flash, Israel is being attacked by rockets at least once a month for the past 10 years. what cease fire are they talking about?

it's the imaginary cease fire they sell to the dogmatic leftists living in the west who support them to make it easier to show such support.
 

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This evening 1 Israeli died, 2 in critical condition and 2 more severly injured in Beer-Sheva. In the morning a rocket which fell in Ashdod injured 2 Israelies severly, in the afternoon another rocket in Ashdod injured 3 Palestinian illegal workers one of them severly injured.
If only i'd have a dollar for every time I read the phrase "harmless rockets" in this forum...
 

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This evening 1 Israeli died, 2 in critical condition and 2 more severly injured in Beer-Sheva. In the morning a rocket which fell in Ashdod injured 2 Israelies severly, in the afternoon another rocket in Ashdod injured 3 Palestinian illegal workers one of them severly injured.
If only i'd have a dollar for every time I read the phrase "harmless rockets" in this forum...

Do they know if they are coming from Hamas or the other groups... if Hamas I would expect heavy concentration of attacks on their people and areas of control..munition supplys and such..Is there talk about possible going into Gaza with land forces..or are they keeping quiet about that..Has anything been happening with Hezbellah in Lebonan o support these attacks..?
 

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This evening 1 Israeli died, 2 in critical condition and 2 more severly injured in Beer-Sheva. In the morning a rocket which fell in Ashdod injured 2 Israelies severly, in the afternoon another rocket in Ashdod injured 3 Palestinian illegal workers one of them severly injured.
If only i'd have a dollar for every time I read the phrase "harmless rockets" in this forum...

As this is essentially a war started by the duly elected government of Gaza why is the Israeli response so timid.
 

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Do they know if they are coming from Hamas or the other groups... if Hamas I would expect heavy concentration of attacks on their people and areas of control..munition supplys and such..Is there talk about possible going into Gaza with land forces..or are they keeping quiet about that..Has anything been happening with Hezbellah in Lebonan o support these attacks..?

The PLC took responsibility on the attack on Beer-Sheva yesterday, I don't know about the attack on Ashdod.
BTW, the barrage on Beer-Sheva included 6 rockets, 3 missed, 2 intercepted by Iron Dome, the last one was missed by the Iron Dome system and had a fatal result.
 

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so the situation will be more poopy
 

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The PLC took responsibility on the attack on Beer-Sheva yesterday, I don't know about the attack on Ashdod.
BTW, the barrage on Beer-Sheva included 6 rockets, 3 missed, 2 intercepted by Iron Dome, the last one was missed by the Iron Dome system and had a fatal result.

Hang in there and be safe
 

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This development is not surprising. Hamas has always wanted to reserve the freedom to start and end ceasefires. That's why Israel's need to establish and sustain deterrence is so important. Hamas has been and remains an unreliable participant in ceasefires. Almost certainly, the same would hold true under the 10-year ceasefire Hamas offered Israel in exchange for 1967 borders (a bad proposition that Israel rightly never considered). In the end, strong deterrence established and sustained by Israel, not Hamas' ceasefires, offer the best prospect of stability.
 

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This development is not surprising. Hamas has always wanted to reserve the freedom to start and end ceasefires. That's why Israel's need to establish and sustain deterrence is so important. Hamas has been and remains an unreliable participant in ceasefires. Almost certainly, the same would hold true under the 10-year ceasefire Hamas offered Israel in exchange for 1967 borders (a bad proposition that Israel rightly never considered). In the end, strong deterrence established and sustained by Israel, not Hamas' ceasefires, offer the best prospect of stability.

'Strong deterrence' is probably something Israel will live with forever and a day. That said, it is a purely defensive mechanism that really never tackles the underlying issues.

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never tackles the underlying issues.

Paul

So, how DO you tackle the issue of genocidal antisemitsm and the supremacist mindset that drives it?

Seems to me that this should be up to the Arabs to address.
 

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So, how DO you tackle the issue of genocidal antisemitsm and the supremacist mindset that drives it?

Seems to me that this should be up to the Arabs to address.

They have addressed it. They will continue on their path until successful. If Israel thinks it will deter these types of attacks by bombing empty tunnels or factories at night they should check to see how that works. Compare what israel does to what America did to Afghanistan and the government in place during 9/11.
 

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They have addressed it. They will continue on their path until successful. If Israel thinks it will deter these types of attacks by bombing empty tunnels or factories at night they should check to see how that works. Compare what israel does to what America did to Afghanistan and the government in place during 9/11.
There will be that continuouse struggle unless the majority of the Palastinians get together and say enough of this BS..we want a peaceful life, a way to build our own State, and if you can't go along with that then be gone from our midst or we will turn on you..go else where to carry on this crazyness..


If you want after all our prayers every day to murmer "Next year In Jeruselum "..fine will give you that but any actions , active ones to have that occurence happen, not tolerated..

Till that happens the state will do what it has to to make sure the State remains a Jewish State and the world be damned if they do not understand that.
 

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This development is not surprising. Hamas has always wanted to reserve the freedom to start and end ceasefires. That's why Israel's need to establish and sustain deterrence is so important. Hamas has been and remains an unreliable participant in ceasefires. Almost certainly, the same would hold true under the 10-year ceasefire Hamas offered Israel in exchange for 1967 borders (a bad proposition that Israel rightly never considered). In the end, strong deterrence established and sustained by Israel, not Hamas' ceasefires, offer the best prospect of stability.

I'm calling BS on this. Hamas has been very reliable and consistent in maintaining ceasefires with Israel even to the point where it actually is a serious complication to their rule over Gaza as they have been forced to engage in battles with armed groups inside their own territory for Israel's benefit. No one has claimed responsibility for the attacks a few days ago and so far the only thing pointing to the PRC is Israel, who can hardly be trusted to tell the truth about something like that. In fact, given the unstable situation in the Sinai peninsula, it makes more sense that these attacks were from some radical Islamist faction operating in the Egyptian Sinai. Yet Israel immediately points the finger at a group in Gaza and starts bombing without much regards to where its bombs are falling leading to the deaths of civilians, including a child last I checked, and Hamas then abandons the ceasefire.

Saying Israel was attacked is no more an excuse for attacking Hamas than September 11 is an excuse for invading Iraq.
 

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I'm calling BS on this. Hamas has been very reliable and consistent in maintaining ceasefires with Israel even to the point where it actually is a serious complication to their rule over Gaza as they have been forced to engage in battles with armed groups inside their own territory for Israel's benefit. No one has claimed responsibility for the attacks a few days ago and so far the only thing pointing to the PRC is Israel, who can hardly be trusted to tell the truth about something like that. In fact, given the unstable situation in the Sinai peninsula, it makes more sense that these attacks were from some radical Islamist faction operating in the Egyptian Sinai. Yet Israel immediately points the finger at a group in Gaza and starts bombing without much regards to where its bombs are falling leading to the deaths of civilians, including a child last I checked, and Hamas then abandons the ceasefire.

Saying Israel was attacked is no more an excuse for attacking Hamas than September 11 is an excuse for invading Iraq.

Seems your to much of a apologist and the PRC did take credit for the attacks, ..I am sure they have been identified personally, some of the participants, and as far as fighting their own so to speak in Gaza..Hamas, tough.

If they are taking responsibility for rule in Gaza as the controlling political party, with all the benefits that being in control gives them, part of that payoff for that is to have control and not allow dissadent groups going off on their own and conducting atttacks on a party they supposedly they, Hamas, have made a unofficial, but official ceasefire with... what partys in control have to do , their responsibilities of, and one of the problems with Hamas.

Fatah for the most part, not say completly successful , but have basically kept the peace and have stopped and arrersted those from the West Bank who went against those rules and tried to be confrontational against the Israelis.

You don't agree to a negotiated agreement and then when times change , you get a feeling that a change for a while is needed, you break it and expect no repercussuions..now the rockets are falling again, thus the price to be paid is to be collected..

Your post is a post of one who is a supporter of Hamas and will admit no wrong by those who you support ..even when they are wrong. Thus I dismiss your arguments by me and most of fair minded ones I think.
Believe you are in favor of a confrontational position of Hamas toward Israel and probaly are upset when they are not in that mode of operation.
 
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Seems your to much of a apologist and the PRC did take credit for the attacks, ..I am sure they have been identified personally, some of the participants, and as far as fighting their own so to speak in Gaza..Hamas, tough.

If they are taking responsibility for rule in Gaza as the controlling political party, with all the benefits that being in control gives them, part of that payoff for that is to have control and not allow dissadent groups going off on their own and conducting atttacks on a party they supposedly they, Hamas, have made a unofficial, but official ceasefire with... what partys in control have to do , their responsibilities of, and one of the problems with Hamas.

Fatah for the most part, not say completly successful , but have basically kept the peace and have stopped and arrersted those from the West Bank who went against those rules and tried to be confrontational against the Israelis.

You don't agree to a negotiated agreement and then when times change , you get a feeling that a change for a while is needed, you break it and expect no repercussuions..now the rockets are falling again, thus the price to be paid is to be collected..

Your post is a post of one who is a supporter of Hamas and will admit no wrong by those who you support ..even when they are wrong. Thus I dismiss your arguments by me and most of fair minded ones I think.
Believe you are in favor of a confrontational position of Hamas toward Israel and probaly are upset when they are not in that mode of operation.

PRC has denied responsibility for the terror attacks that sparked this off. Only Israel has pointed the finger at them. That aside Hamas has taken a number of steps to try and restrain the various armed groups that fire rockets at Israel, but there are groups that violently resist Hamas and continue engaging in attacks against Israel. However, Israel refuses to accept the simple fact that Hamas does not have absolute control over Gaza or maybe just demands perfection where it knows none can exist and uses any attack from any group as a basis for going after Hamas. There is nothing reasonable about the standards Israel has demanded Hamas meet. It would be no more reasonable for the Palestinians to expect a complete end to violence from the settlers. Do you think the West Bank would be nearly as calm if every act by settlers was seen as sufficient cause for undoing all progress on peace?
 

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It appears that "the most right wing goverment in the history of Israel" is going to let the incidents of the last days pass without a proper reaction, reports say Israel will lower the amount of attacks to help Hamas enforce a ceasefire. Just lets you show how extreme this goverment is comparing to Kadima who launched 2 wars under the same circumstances.
 

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It appears that "the most right wing goverment in the history of Israel" is going to let the incidents of the last days pass without a proper reaction, reports say Israel will lower the amount of attacks to help Hamas enforce a ceasefire. Just lets you show how extreme this goverment is comparing to Kadima who launched 2 wars under the same circumstances.

Possible after taking out the leadership of the perps of the group who launched the attacks they want to ramp down the reaction, saw a report they arrested 150 members of Hamas..put the ball back on Hamas shoulders to see if they can get control, back in Gaza , and see if they are seriouse about not wanting to change the situation that had been negotiated.
Now if they can get together and come up with some kind of semi apology to Turkey that would satisfy them and see if they, Turkey, is seriouse in putting the past behind them and see if they can repair relations with them, would not be a bad thing..this face saving BS is beyond me, means nothing in the big picture . IMHO of course.
 

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It appears that "the most right wing goverment in the history of Israel" is going to let the incidents of the last days pass without a proper reaction,

Though there was an attack against Israel in the Sinai, there is no evidence to suggest this attack came from people in Gaza, hence Israel started these killings on the people of Gaza in response to something which more likely initiated in Egypt. Israel hence is the aggressor towards Gaza.



reports say Israel will lower the amount of attacks to help Hamas enforce a ceasefire.

Ah, Israel is admitting that Hamas has difficulty with managing to enforce ceasefires with jihhadist, je-ed up. Well good to have the admission, though there still is no evidence that the incident in the Sinai had anything to do with even jihadists in Gaza.

Just lets you show how extreme this goverment is comparing to Kadima who launched 2 wars under the same circumstances.

I would think this is a unique situation. Israel maybe has to take time to have some calm or the situation could become a lot worse. All the talk in Israel about no two states and rallies with Glen Beck does not help the situation.

When Israeli arrogance meets Arab honor - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

We do not as yet know which direction Egypt will move in Islamist or democratic. My hope is democratic. If the West can show that she is also democratic and going by democratic values we have a much better chance of seeing that development.
 
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It appears that "the most right wing goverment in the history of Israel" is going to let the incidents of the last days pass without a proper reaction, reports say Israel will lower the amount of attacks to help Hamas enforce a ceasefire. Just lets you show how extreme this goverment is comparing to Kadima who launched 2 wars under the same circumstances.

I think it has more to do with who is in the White House than who is in Beit Aghion. Also, are you suggesting that a dozen dead Palestinians, including a child, is not enough blood to be paid?
 
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So, how DO you tackle the issue of genocidal antisemitsm and the supremacist mindset that drives it?

With precision targeting rather than some incursion into Gaza hoping to eliminate a legitimate target, or two.

Seems to me that this should be up to the Arabs to address
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The Arabs have as much to bring to the table as the Israelis. The constant dualistic dialogue will build few bridges.

Paul
 
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