had a very interesting day today!!!!

[ProudAmerican]

Today I got to visit this place......http://tees-training.com/pages_folder/index.html

and I met some of the best America has to offer in the war on terror. I got to see a demonstration of what happens when an IED explodes and dissables your vehicle during a live fire excersise. (The demonstration should be pretty accurate since a couple of the guys doing it have actually been in this situation inside Iraq)

I got to fire an M4 carbine and an AK-47 (fully automatic)

I detonated a stick of dynamite, and saw a demonstration of gasoline bombs being exploded, and saw something called "det cord" being used.

All in all it was one of the most enjoyable times I have ever had.

I have no doubts that our soldiers in this war are the very best at what they do. I knew that before today......but it was definately reinforced today watching these soldiers do what they do and conduct themselves in the most professional manner I have ever seen.

unfortunately, at this time, the center does not have any classes or courses for civilians, but they are supposedly working on it.

If they start allowing civillians to participate, and you get the chance, and you enjoy firearms and explosives.....I higly recommend it.

:mrgreen:

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ProudAmerican:
and I met some of the best America has to offer in the war on terror. I got to see a demonstration of what happens when an IED explodes and dissables your vehicle during a live fire excersise.

I got to fire an M4 carbine and an AK-47 (fully automatic)

I detonated a stick of dynamite, and saw a demonstration of gasoline bombs being exploded, and saw something called "det cord" being used.

All in all it was one of the most enjoyable times I have ever had.

If they start allowing civillians to participate, and you get the chance, and you enjoy firearms and explosives.....I higly recommend it.

Your disgusting!

 

[DivineComedy]

Your disgusting!

How old are you? You’re disgusting!

Some of my most enjoyable times were getting to see the Gunships I helped build that make the “M4 carbine and an AK-47” look feeble by comparison.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by DivineComedy:
How old are you? You’re disgusting!

Some of my most enjoyable times were getting to see the Gunships I helped build that make the “M4 carbine and an AK-47” look feeble by comparison.

You cannot be for war and for God!

 

[jennyb]

hey...but you didnt get to kill any one today....:doh how disapointing ah well maybe next time:mrgreen:

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by jennyb:
hey...but you didnt get to kill any one today.... how disapointing ah well maybe next time

Not killing someone today is a good thing. Not killing someone tomorrow, is even better. What's disappointing, is people who think killing done in their name, is OK.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by jennyb:
hey...but you didnt get to kill any one today.... how disapointing ah well maybe next time

Originally posted by jennyb:
live and let live...for crying out loud

There is one group I do hate..........HYPOCRITS!

Think about that...

 

[DivineComedy]

Not killing someone today is a good thing. Not killing someone tomorrow, is even better. What's disappointing, is people who think killing done in their name, is OK.

When everyone accepts God’s will there will be no need for war.

I agree that “Not killing someone today is a good thing.” I agree that “Not killing someone tomorrow, is even better.” People who would allow murderers to run amok, and who only worry about the greater odds of their own lungs turning to pus by weapons of mass destruction, are disappointing to me:

“A brutal, oppressive dictator, guilty of personally murdering and condoning murder and torture, grotesque violence against women, execution of political opponents, a war criminal who used chemical weapons against another nation and, of course, as we know, against his own people, the Kurds. He has diverted funds from the Oil-for-Food program, intended by the international community to go to his own people. He has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel.

I mention these not because they are a cause to go to war in and of themselves, as the President previously suggested, but because they tell a lot about the threat of the weapons of mass destruction and the nature of this man. We should not go to war because these things are in his past, but we should be prepared to go to war because of what they tell us about the future.” (TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR October 9, 2002)

 

[jennyb]

are you telling me its okay to kill???? or to get pleasure from looking at weapons......
i rather think its the later so no i am not a hypocrite...
looking is a fine thing hands on using is another no????:2wave:

 

[Stinger]

are you telling me its okay to kill???? or to get pleasure from looking at weapons......
i rather think its the later so no i am not a hypocrite...
looking is a fine thing hands on using is another no????:2wave:

Was in OK to kill the Waffen SS in WW2? How about the NK when they crossed in SK? Was it OK for yankees to kill confederates?

 

[ProudAmerican]

hey...but you didnt get to kill any one today....:doh how disapointing ah well maybe next time:mrgreen:

Im not sure if this was directed to me, and if it was, what you meant by it?

 

[ProudAmerican]

My main point of this thread was to point out how amazing I think the men and women fighting this war are.

(yah I did want to brag a little about handling some weapons and explosives the average civilian will never get to handle)

But watching these guys go through a live fire excersise, and use the same tactics our soldiers are using daily was really a priveledge.

 

[RightinNYC]

They offer somewhat similar things (obviously less hands on) for Congressmen and their staff too, its pretty nuts.

 

[DivineComedy]

My main point of this thread was to point out how amazing I think the men and women fighting this war are.

Yeah, we got it, “our soldiers in this war are the very best at what they do,“ which obviously means to some people that they are “disgusting” baby killers to be spat upon.

Only the inanimate weapons are as innocent as the driven snow, and the only thing fit for morale.

We can beat the weapons into plowshares, and use a former C-130 Gunship for famine relief, but no matter how much they scrub the hypocrites can’t wash the spit off a disgusting Godless baby killer.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Was in OK to kill the Waffen SS in WW2? How about the NK when they crossed in SK? Was it OK for yankees to kill confederates?

Yes, in fact my family has history in all three of those conflicts. If it's for the greater good it's fine by me, but in this case I doubt it's for a greater good as opposed to special interests. Also, it's very hard to tell who to kill these days. Why not kill no one until the enemy is 100% defined and no civilians are in the way.

 

[Sir_Alec]

but no matter how much they scrub the hypocrites can’t wash the spit off a disgusting Godless baby killer.

Don't be making fun of our poor vietnam vets!

 

[ProudAmerican]

Why not kill no one until the enemy is 100% defined and no civilians are in the way.

because while we do that, the enemy will be killing as many on the other side as possible.

its unfortunate we dont live in a perfect world that would allow us to only kill the enemy and spare all innocent life.

especially more difficult since said enemy USES SAID INNOCENT LIFE as a shield.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by DivineComedy:
When everyone accepts God’s will there will be no need for war.

I agree that “Not killing someone today is a good thing.” I agree that “Not killing someone tomorrow, is even better.” People who would allow murderers to run amok, and who only worry about the greater odds of their own lungs turning to pus by weapons of mass destruction, are disappointing to me:

“A brutal, oppressive dictator, guilty of personally murdering and condoning murder and torture, grotesque violence against women, execution of political opponents, a war criminal who used chemical weapons against another nation and, of course, as we know, against his own people, the Kurds. He has diverted funds from the Oil-for-Food program, intended by the international community to go to his own people. He has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel.

I mention these not because they are a cause to go to war in and of themselves, as the President previously suggested, but because they tell a lot about the threat of the weapons of mass destruction and the nature of this man. We should not go to war because these things are in his past, but we should be prepared to go to war because of what they tell us about the future.” (TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR October 9, 2002)

The absolute best thing we can do in this moment is not to lie to ourselves. Be concious of that, and you will see Saddam will still be evil, still deserve to be behind bars, but certainly not worth 52,500 lives!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ProudAmerican:
My main point of this thread was to point out how amazing I think the men and women fighting this war are.

Your point was to revelle in things that destroy and kill. Which I find disgusting!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by jennyb:
are you telling me its okay to kill???? or to get pleasure from looking at weapons......
i rather think its the later so no i am not a hypocrite...
looking is a fine thing hands on using is another no????

You get pleasure from looking at weapons?

Okay..........

 

[RightinNYC]

You get pleasure from looking at weapons?

Okay..........

Billo, I really don't know where you're coming from with this crap. You've been completely off the edge on this entire post.

PA enjoyed taking a trip to see the technologies that our military uses to protect itself, and especially enjoyed learning more about what it's like over there, how the war is being fought, etc.

You don't think that's a good thing? You don't think it's good that Americans see what happens when an IED blows up, how fast a machine gun can fire, how explosive dynamite is?

Hell, most lefties I know would be clamoring to mandate such a visit for all Americans in the belief that it would show a taste of what war really is like for a culture so separated from the violence...

Aside from all that, what kind of moral superiority complex have you got about people who enjoy using/seeing weapons? You think that because you choose not to, you're better?

I know you wont respond to the questions earlier in the thread about whether you felt other wars were justified, because you can't answer them, but at least try not to be so blatantly disingenous.

 

[cherokee]

Originally Posted by Billo_Really
You get pleasure from looking at weapons?

Okay..........

I know this wasnt directed at me but none the less..

Hmm man thats a hard one...But Yes I do. Its fun...

And for the other posts. Sometimes you have to kill. You may not wish to do so but sometimes its others who make the choice for you.

Originally Posted by DivineComedy
but no matter how much they scrub the hypocrites can’t wash the spit off a disgusting Godless baby killer.

Go to hell you dipchit!

 

[Stinger]

JeenyB said.. are you telling me its okay to kill???? or to get pleasure from looking at weapons......
i rather think its the later so no i am not a hypocrite...

Originally Posted by Stinger
Was in OK to kill the Waffen SS in WW2? How about the NK when they crossed in SK? Was it OK for yankees to kill confederates?

Yes, in fact my family has history in all three of those conflicts. If it's for the greater good it's fine by me.....

So you also disagree with JennyB. There are times when killing is "OK", not that we have a desire to do so and would prefer not to, but circumstances sometimes make it "OK".

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by RightatNYU:
Billo, I really don't know where you're coming from with this crap. You've been completely off the edge on this entire post.

PA enjoyed taking a trip to see the technologies that our military uses to protect itself, and especially enjoyed learning more about what it's like over there, how the war is being fought, etc.

You don't think that's a good thing? You don't think it's good that Americans see what happens when an IED blows up, how fast a machine gun can fire, how explosive dynamite is?

Hell, most lefties I know would be clamoring to mandate such a visit for all Americans in the belief that it would show a taste of what war really is like for a culture so separated from the violence...

Aside from all that, what kind of moral superiority complex have you got about people who enjoy using/seeing weapons? You think that because you choose not to, you're better?

I know you wont respond to the questions earlier in the thread about whether you felt other wars were justified, because you can't answer them, but at least try not to be so blatantly disingenous.

You should know me better than that by now. There isn't a question in the history of this forum that I fear answering.

What makes you think I said, what I said to PA, because I think I'm better? There isn't a single post in my +8K posts where I have ever put myself above anyone. My issue with PA is due to his favorite weapon, a "blame-thrower". He'll condemn the actions of one group while condoning the very same actions of another. I either condemn them both, or condone them both. I don't try to rationalize or justify my behavior if it results in someone being victimized by it, just so I can sleep at night. I'll admit I was wrong, take my beating like a man, and get it behind me, then move on. But at no time do I ever think I'm better than anyone. It's just that I don't think I'm any less either.

I don't even have a problem with your objections. Albeit the reason's for them are a little off the mark.

Just be thankful DP rules prohibit me from speaking more freely about what I really think of ProudAmerican. I mean, if we really want to be open and honest about it, let's take this up downstairs...

 

[RightinNYC]

You should know me better than that by now. There isn't a question in the history of this forum that I fear answering.

Then I'll ask the question of you.

You stated:

You cannot be for war and for God!

Stinger asked: Was in OK to kill the Waffen SS in WW2? How about the NK when they crossed in SK? Was it OK for yankees to kill confederates?

I'll add - Was it okay for the Americans to kill the British in the Revolutionary War?

According to your first statement, no one could support any of those wars and simultaneously be "for God." I would argue that that's not the case, as the God followed in all major monotheistic religions condones and in some interpretations, requires war in order to secure justice or ensure freedom.

So, I ask you, were all supporters of these wars "against God?" Is there no good war?

I look forward to the answer. And remember,

There is one group I do hate..........HYPOCRITS!

Think about that...