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I guess my point was that professionals can do a lot of things the typical weekend shooter cant. The weekend shooter doesnt have the time or sponsorship dollars to dedicate to it.

Revolver carriers should take comfort in knowing that most armed confrontations require merely the presence of the firearm in the hands of the good guy to end the conflict and if shots are fired, its seldom a prolonged gun battle.
 

That's very good advice: might be your best post on these gun topics I have ever seen. Its 100% accurate IMHO.
 
VanceMack said:
True...but most people arent Jerry Mikulek.
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True-very true. A couple guys I shoot with are close-one guy was on the Canadian IPSC team to the worlds-was GM at age 17 and now shoots revolvers. He's not going to beat Jerry but one of the other guys won Second Chance Revolver TWICE and beat all the top wheel gun guys a couple decades back. But what is really the point is that good revolver shooters-like my son or these two guys he runs pretty even with is that they can do in say 5 seconds what Jerry can do in 3. In a competition that's a huge difference but on the street its not all that much of a difference when dealing with your thugs who are not training constantly. Junior Turtle ran one course where he shot 6 times, did a speed load and shot 6 more times at 6 plates at 12 yards and cleaned it in 4 seconds. Now it was 22 which meant no recoil and from a table rather than out of a holster but reloading a 22 is slightly slower than a moon clip 8 or six shot revolver.
 
My only stress-fire experience reloading a revolver came from my old west stunt show days at Pioneer Village. No speedloaders there...and it was nothing fast.

Also learned a really valuable lesson about drawing from a holster. It came at the cost of having wadding from a .45 blank embedded 2 inches into the back of my thigh. In the middle of a show.
 

Those were exactly our drills for the afternoon session. We started with a few cycles of shooting eyes closed and then into malfunction drills. I don't think we have shot any scenario that doesn't require at least 3 reloads so magazine capacity hasn't factored into the training at all.

We did the "hammer/head" drills all afternoon including turning targets and the cycles were set up so you had to do reloads or you wouldn't get all your hits.

We also had our first AD this morning. I think the shooter was more shocked than anyone else.
 

Never called 'em ADs- they are NDs for the most part, the only 'accident' was a loose nut on the trigger...

The range I used to work on was CLEET certified so Quals were shot there routinely. Everyone from HiPos to reserve Officers from 4 counties came to shoot. Was interesting to see great practice rounds shot only to see the shooters fall apart a bit when you said- ..."and your time starts.... NOW!"... eace
 

That happens. We have some really good shooters in the class and it was relieving to see some of them come down to my level on the timed scenarios. I tended to do pretty well on those scenarios because I didn't have time to think about the changes the instructors had me make.
 

The Father of Modern Pistol Craft.......I met Jeff Cooper at the NRA Annual Convention in Reno, in 1987. He said "come on down and I will teach you something".... and walked away. I thought that was pretty arrogant...but I guess he had earned it.
I never did sign up. Between work and a lot of kids, I couldn't get that much time off..
 

Keep learning and have a great time and keep up us updated...
 

Their courses are legendary in the shooting world.
I am sure you are getting all of your money's worth.

I heard their scout rifle course is a blast and really nice too, although I think the concept is silly.
 

I know I can reload my 625-8 with full moon clips much faster than I can my 1911.
They kinda just guide themselves in the cylinder.
hardball mind you.
 

Your last sentence reminds me of what the great Ed McGivern said back in the 50's.

With all of the cowboy shows on TV at the time he was asked how he might do against the gunslingers of the old west.

he said, they would kill me dead. He said they were killers through and through, while he was a shooting enthusiast.
He said they had the ability to look someone right in the eye, gun them down, and then walk across the street and have lunch.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Their courses are legendary in the shooting world. I am sure you are getting all of your money's worth. I heard their scout rifle course is a blast and really nice too, although I think the concept is silly.
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The Whittington range in Raton NM built a Scout Rifle Walk. My wife and I attended the Spirit of America for several years there. Best as i could find out about the course it was used a few times and then dropped. It was locked so going in was problematic.

Having seen several 'scout' rifles I can't say I'm impressed, but their concept and my shooting is a bit different. Steyr's built-in bipod is a range queen feature, barrels shorter than 18" are too loud and flash a bit more than I care for. The forward mounted long eye relief scope mount is obsolete- I'd rather any of a dozen halo or electronic sights over the forward scopes (Cooper wanted the ability to use stripper clips to top off the scout rifle). Detachable mags are interesting but pricey and not really needed.

The price of all these rifles is just a bit much for me, my 'scout' rifle is a scoped, fairly old Remington LTR in 308. I don't need a rifle that can drop a 1,000 pound animal under less than ideal conditions. I don't care for a heller recoil from a light rifle, and when i practice I don't have time to let a slimmer barrel cool down so I avoid Point of Impact drift.

But most of we don't shoot exactly the same or value the same features. Your mileage may vary... eace
 

Doesn't everyone?
 

One size doesn't not fit all. My X use to remind me of that often.
 
MickeyW said:
One size doesn't not fit all. My X use to remind me of that often.
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yeah but like my old girlfriends used to say (I don't have an X) give 'em enough to work with and it is on! For me finding firearms that can do more than one thing works for me as training beats gear 90% of the time and the 'luck' factor is twice the size of any lack in gear. My LTR does almost all my hunting and tac-TEE-cool shooting. The Mauser is mostly for F-Class work though for old times sake she is hunting this year. I have been neglecting the old girl and that isn't proper... eace
 
One of the last exercises we ran was clearing a simulated house. The last target was to be engaged from a hallway at a distance of about 20' and looked just like this:



What do you do?
 
Lutherf said:
One of the last exercises we ran was clearing a simulated house. The last target was to be engaged from a hallway at a distance of about 20' and looked just like this:

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What do you do?
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Is the kid carrying a bunch of physics textbooks?
 
Lutherf said:
One of the last exercises we ran was clearing a simulated house. The last target was to be engaged from a hallway at a distance of about 20' and looked just like this:

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What do you do?
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we have the same at TDI. take aim at the guy Tell him to drop the gun. Tell him you will count to three. shoot him through the eyeball at 2. That is what I did. Though in your picture it doesn't look like a gun-more a black brass knuckle / In our scenario it was clearly a revolver with the hammer not back but DA.
 

I was looking for some previous data about the "pan", the part of the face between upper jaw and top of forehead where a shot causes the fingers of the victim to spring open, releasing anything held in the hand, but no luck.
 

Yeah. My response was to mutter "oh well" under my breath and then put two in his head. This pic is really small. The target was full size and there was no question about it being a gun. That being said, it's a scenario that sticks with you.
 
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