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You're not using facts, any facts you are using are distorted and contorted to fit your prejudice.

Says that man who does not use any links, stats, or facts in his post just insults and myths.


You're a hypocrite not for your political beliefs but because you accuse all liberals for brow beating and using "PC" to submit the opposition. Then on the other side of your mouth anyone on your political left wants to destroy liberty, freedom, America, etc. That's why you're a hypocrite.
Well yes your side does use Political Correctness and cries of "racist" to silence people.

Well your side does favor more laws and restrictions are personal Liberty.

That is fact, but hey slander me, that is what people do when they have lost the debate.


Woop wooop someone needs to call the Irony police. I'm gonna cobble together all the posts where you consider Liberals evil statist. Like these for example:

Well do they not support such policies that produce those end results.




Sure, and your point exactly?

Immigration restrictions are totally American and have worked.

Immigration hasn't destroyed the nation yet. If anything people can argue immigration built the nation.

So because it has not yet, it will not?

Liberty built this nation, immigration was a by product of its success.

In the modern age we need less immigration.


What your argument is that mass immigration kills a nation. Historically America itself has proven that immigration has the opposite effect.

Because that was a different time.

We did not have a welfare system for people to use.

We had a labor market/monetary policy were unskilled could earn enough to make a living.

We had people wanting Liberty, true Liberty not just the same politics that they left behind.

We had were united in one culture, one language.

That is not the case anymore.

Instead of keeping out people with incompatible cultures and values we let them flood over our nation.

Instead of keeping out people with infectious diseases we allowed them to flood into our nation as if their is no harm to our citizenry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/us/politics/31travel.html?_r=0


Instead of limiting immigration to protect the wages and stranded of living we allow millions to flood into that nation and reduce our worker of all collars and industries and is reducing the American stranded of living more and more to that of the 3rd world.

Instead of limiting immigration as to protect the culture and foundation of America, Liberty we allow millions to flood into this nation who vote to replace our culture and values with that of their home nation by pandering officials who are more then happy to give them your wealth at the expense of our Liberty and future.



No my logic is sound, yours needs an adjustment.

No, history and facts prove you and your side wrong.

I'm very much aware of Joe McCarthy, you seem to lack the insight on how his brand of Xenophobia and extreme conservative dogma shares so many similarities to your own.

Loving and protecting your nation, culture, Liberty, and people is not "Xenophobia", you forget this.
 
You wish to censor and discriminate on Religious beliefs alone. How is that in any way shape or form a representation of "Liberty."

Keeping out groups of people is not censoring or "discrimination" is selection.

We want groups that are compatible with America.

America in such a short time grew into a superpower while millions of people from countries fled to it. Immigration built this nation, to turn away future productive Americans because they worship Mohammad betrays everything this country was built on.
So a free market, sound money, property rights and limited government had nothing at all to do with it? "future" productive Americans? How you do know they will be productive?

If they are so productive why are their home nations so poverty stricken? So corrupt?

A nation is a reflection of the people, their culture and their values...

America was most certainly not founded on Religion. If it were founded on religion we would be a theocracy. (Which we are not.) Nowhere in the Constitution does it state religion and in the Treaty of Tripoli the writing (that was signed by founding father, John Adams) stated very clearly that America was not founded on any religious beliefs at all.

So it was not founded by Protestants with one of the main pillars being Freedom Of Religion? Because I think the 1st Amendment says it very clearly.

Why you are wrong about the treaty.
WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - Treaty of Tripoli

America hasn't given up it's liberty, what utter nonsense.

Really? Been to the airport lately?

Send a "private" email or chat on the phone without being recorded?

Indefinite detection.

Being on a list just for speaking out against it.

Being on a list for paying cash.

Being on a list for having no opinion on major issues.

Scorecard: How Many Rights Have Americans REALLY Lost? Washington's Blog


Its clear you took the blue pill.


And whoever wants to try and terrorize the country meet the wraith of our Law Enforcement and Counter-Terrorism. Your fear of Islam should not allow the right for a Muslim to believe whatever backwards world view they may have.

And they will destroy our freedom to do it, what part of this can you not understand?

Law-abiding citizens who apply and gain citizenship have every right and liberty to immigrate to this nation. You want to restrict that right because of your fear of Islam.

Do they have the right to citizenship?

In short just because they apply, should they get it?

Not "fear" I just understand Islam and what they do to the world around.


Your using "facts" and skewed statistics in a (very pathetic mind you) attempt to close our borders to Muslim immigrants because you feel they're a risk to National Security. That's fear incarnate.

What skewed statistics? How are those facts wrong?

I want to limit immigration and secure the border because Islamic immigration is a threat.


I'm not the least bit surprised you hold the Washington Post/Times, CIS, and NewAmerican with any sort of actual integrity or regard.

How are their without integrity?
 
Says that man who does not use any links, stats, or facts in his post just insults and myths.

Irony police arrest this man.


Well yes your side does use Political Correctness and cries of "racist" to silence people.

Again the irony is strong within you. You do not get to play the victim card when every other post you make some drivel about how "Liberalism is evil"

Well your side does favor more laws and restrictions are personal Liberty.

Says someone who wants to place Religious restrictions in our immigration laws. :roll:

That is fact, but hey slander me, that is what people do when they have lost the debate.

There isn't much debate to be had. You want to ban Muslims from entering the country, and I'm telling you that America as a nation won't let that happen. Get over it.

Well do they not support such policies that produce those end results.

Now you're being obtuse again.


Immigration restrictions are totally American and have worked.

Sure, and they've swung and changed for centuries. But Immigration laws only work when the nation actually has immigrants immigrating to America. Your desire to intrude on a legal citizens religious rights is Unconstitutional and vile.

So because it has not yet, it will not?

You can drink a lot of water without drowning.

Liberty built this nation, immigration was a by product of its success.

And how did we achieve mentioned liberty without people migrating in droves to the country in the first place.

In the modern age we need less immigration.

In the modern age we need smarter immigration laws. An outright ban on immigration is more of a detriment than a positive impact.

Because that was a different time.

Oh so now suddenly nuance and depth is more important when it fits your political agenda. Funny how that works.

We did not have a welfare system for people to use.

Yes we did, we clearly had a welfare system that helped citizens. We had social programs that existed that gave free stuff to veterans and widows of the revolutionary war. Not to mention some of the Colonial states adapted social programs similar to Great Britain.

We had a labor market/monetary policy were unskilled could earn enough to make a living.

We also had a labor market where we literally shipped in the Chinese and the Irish by the boatload to do mentioned unskilled labor work. Suddenly immigration isn't so bad when the immigrants are doing the low-skilled work.

We had people wanting Liberty, true Liberty not just the same politics that they left behind.

We also had immigrants who wish to worship whatever they religion they wish. You wish to take that right away from immigrants because you don't like Islam.

We had were united in one culture, one language.

Which language is that, Spanish, French, English? Besides, America never once (to my knowledge) ever declared to have any official national language.

That is not the case anymore.

It was never the case, but if you're worried about brown people speaking a different language in America, latest census had 80% of Americans that spoke English fluently. That's an overwhelming majority.
 
Instead of keeping out people with incompatible cultures and values we let them flood over our nation.

That's always been the case, hasn't destroyed the country and America still operates under the US Constitution. Your fears are again unfounded.

Instead of keeping out people with infectious diseases we allowed them to flood into our nation as if their is no harm to our citizenry.

Uh what? America and the CDC have been very well prepared in limiting foreign diseases and outbreaks in America. Again, your fear is unfounded nonsense.


I don't quite see what the big deal is here. Aids already affects around a million people in the country. This ban accomplished nothing and was a needless, big government law.

Instead of limiting immigration to protect the wages and stranded of living we allow millions to flood into that nation and reduce our worker of all collars and industries and is reducing the American stranded of living more and more to that of the 3rd world.

Right because standard of living, job income, and available jobs are only ever affected by immigration. There is nothing else in this country that affects standard of living other than immigrants, what complete and utter gibberish

Instead of limiting immigration as to protect the culture and foundation of America, Liberty we allow millions to flood into this nation who vote to replace our culture and values with that of their home nation by pandering officials who are more then happy to give them your wealth at the expense of our Liberty and future.

Oh yes, ever since our inception our nation has crawled closer and closer to Communism, Abrahamic Theology, and fascism thanks to all the immigrants that vote. McCarthy would sprout a woody in his grave if he were to read your rantings.

No, history and facts prove you and your side wrong.

Historically we've had more and more people immigrate to this country. And despite more and more people entering this country we still follow and abide the constitution. You're acting completely irrational.

Loving and protecting your nation, culture, Liberty, and people is not "Xenophobia", you forget this.

If your only solution to protecting America is to isolate America from the rest of the world is very much Xenophobia.
 
That's always been the case, hasn't destroyed the country and America still operates under the US Constitution. Your fears are again unfounded.

Not yet and no, it does not...

Uh what? America and the CDC have been very well prepared in limiting foreign diseases and outbreaks in America. Again, your fear is unfounded nonsense.

Really? So why did we not shut down all flights to Ebloa infected nations?



I don't quite see what the big deal is here. Aids already affects around a million people in the country. This ban accomplished nothing and was a needless, big government law.

So because we have a few people with Aids inside our nation we should allow more in?




Right because standard of living, job income, and available jobs are only ever affected by immigration. There is nothing else in this country that affects standard of living other than immigrants, what complete and utter gibberish


Did I ever say that? Are you saying they are not? When you are more labor your reduce the value of existing and future labor.



Oh yes, ever since our inception our nation has crawled closer and closer to Communism, Abrahamic Theology, and fascism thanks to all the immigrants that vote. McCarthy would sprout a woody in his grave if he were to read your rantings.

It has.

Those supporting a big increase in legal immigration point to the successful assimilation of Great Wave immigrants (roughly 1880 to 1920). But that wave was followed by a slowdown of immigration from the 1920s to the 1960s, which allowed newcomers to assimilate, learn our language, and adapt to our unique system of government. Also, Great Wave immigrants arrived before the rise of the grievance industry and identity politics. Moreover, it still took decades before a significant share of these immigrants moved into the Republican column. In the meantime, Great Wave immigrants and their children provided much of the political support necessary to pass and sustain both the New Deal and the Great Society.

Historically we've had more and more people immigrate to this country. And despite more and more people entering this country we still follow and abide the constitution. You're acting completely irrational.

Sorry that you can not understand they just support the same politics they they did back home, nothing more. You just ignore uncomfortable facts for comforting lies.


If your only solution to protecting America is to isolate America from the rest of the world is very much Xenophobia.

How is secure borders and reducing immigration "Xenophobia"?
 
Keeping out groups of people is not censoring or "discrimination" is selection.

We want groups that are compatible with America.

How is that not discrimination? You're trying to deem Islam incompatible with America therefor wish to ban Muslim immigrants from America. That's pure unadulterated discrimination.


So a free market, sound money, property rights and limited government had nothing at all to do with it? "future" productive Americans? How you do know they will be productive?

There's no guarantees an immigrant will be productive or anti-productive. But a fear that won't be productive isn't a reason to ban them

If they are so productive why are their home nations so poverty stricken? So corrupt?

The Middle East is so much more complicated then you have shown to ever understand. Plenty of good and innocent people live in these countries. If they have the means and the ability to move somewhere where they can live more fruitful and peaceful lives then they should be allowed to move to our country. Trying to ban a Muslim from entering the country because you deem Islam "dangerous" is nonsensical.

A nation is a reflection of the people, their culture and their values...

And what of someone who wants to move from a nation that does not represent their values?


So it was not founded by Protestants with one of the main pillars being Freedom Of Religion?

The religious beliefs of the founding fathers is largely irrelevant to the actual founding of the nation. And one of the "main pillars" of the First Amendment were freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

Because I think the 1st Amendment says it very clearly.

1A says very clearly that our nation can't enforce laws that are respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Your understanding of our nation, it's history, and the text that it follows is wildly uninformed.


The treaty reads very clearly America was not built as a Christian nation. You and Wallbuilders (a site that has had been linked to white supremacy groups b t dubs) could try and warp your mind around the fact. But the text in the Constitution and, the Treaty of Tripoli proves our government and our country is secular.

Really? Been to the airport lately?

Send a "private" email or chat on the phone without being recorded?

Indefinite detection.

Being on a list just for speaking out against it.

Being on a list for paying cash.

Being on a list for having no opinion on major issues.

Scorecard: How Many Rights Have Americans REALLY Lost? Washington's Blog


Its clear you took the blue pill.

I can agree with you a 100% that the police state in America needs to be radically shrunk and allow Americans to have personal privacy. But yet this country allows you to identify and believe in whatever you want whether that's Islam, White Supremacy, whatever. A right you clearly want to remove from immigrants.


And they will destroy our freedom to do it, what part of this can you not understand?

ISIS, and other Islamic Terror Groups can't touch our freedoms. Our constitution hasn't changed one bit in the face of terrorism.

Do they have the right to citizenship?

In short just because they apply, should they get it?

If they meet the requirements, absolutely. A requirement should not religious beliefs.

Not "fear" I just understand Islam and what they do to the world around.

A fear that won't ever come to fruition in America. All thanks to our trusty first amendment.

What skewed statistics? How are those facts wrong?

How are they not?

I want to limit immigration and secure the border because Islamic immigration is a threat.

Islamic immigration isn't a threat. Or at least not the threat you're making it out to be.

How are their without integrity?

Because they post lies, and wild misinformation to push a worldview that you just happen to share.
 
Not yet and no, it does not...

Rabble rabble, that's all that your ramblings amount to regarding your fear of America being destroyed by radical Islam.

Really? So why did we not shut down all flights to Ebloa infected nations?

Because that would have been unnecessary. Not to mention the CDC and TSA did not allow passengers with Ebola onto flights to America.

So because we have a few people with Aids inside our nation we should allow more in?

Well the travel ban on passengers with HIV/Aids was placed because of a fear of an outbreak. Seeing as how a million Americans with HIV haven't caused an outbreak the ban was useless.


Did I ever say that? Are you saying they are not? When you are more labor your reduce the value of existing and future labor.

Because there's plenty of other influences than merely immigrants to standards of living and jobs. The amount of labor jobs has shown to shrink vanish with the increase of technology that does the labor cheaper or more productively.


Show me the new laws where America is ran by Sharia Law.

Those supporting a big increase in legal immigration point to the successful assimilation of Great Wave immigrants (roughly 1880 to 1920). But that wave was followed by a slowdown of immigration from the 1920s to the 1960s, which allowed newcomers to assimilate, learn our language, and adapt to our unique system of government. Also, Great Wave immigrants arrived before the rise of the grievance industry and identity politics. Moreover, it still took decades before a significant share of these immigrants moved into the Republican column. In the meantime, Great Wave immigrants and their children provided much of the political support necessary to pass and sustain both the New Deal and the Great Society.

And your suddenly against citizens that earned the right to vote voting because...


Sorry that you can not understand they just support the same politics they they did back home, nothing more. You just ignore uncomfortable facts for comforting lies.

That literally has not been the case in America.

How is secure borders and reducing immigration "Xenophobia"?

It becomes Xenophobia when you shift the blame of all your fears onto immigrants. Which you have continued to do.
 
Rabble rabble, that's all that your ramblings amount to regarding your fear of America being destroyed by radical Islam.



Because that would have been unnecessary. Not to mention the CDC and TSA did not allow passengers with Ebola onto flights to America.



Well the travel ban on passengers with HIV/Aids was placed because of a fear of an outbreak. Seeing as how a million Americans with HIV haven't caused an outbreak the ban was useless.




Because there's plenty of other influences than merely immigrants to standards of living and jobs. The amount of labor jobs has shown to shrink vanish with the increase of technology that does the labor cheaper or more productively.



Show me the new laws where America is ran by Sharia Law.



And your suddenly against citizens that earned the right to vote voting because...




That literally has not been the case in America.



It becomes Xenophobia when you shift the blame of all your fears onto immigrants. Which you have continued to do.

I do not blame them, I blame those that allow them to enter our nation...They are the ones to blame.
 
I do not blame them, I blame those that allow them to enter our nation...They are the ones to blame.
So you blame government, right? Our nation has one little feature: we're all different. So be tolerant to persons who are tolerant too.
 
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So you blame government, right? Our nation has one little feature: we're all different. So be tolerant to persons who are tolerant too.

No, I will not be tolerant of those that seek to destroy me, my race, my culture, my Liberty, or my future.
 
Says that man who does not use any links, stats, or facts in his post just insults and myths.

Well yes your side does use Political Correctness and cries of "racist" to silence people.

Well your side does favor more laws and restrictions are personal Liberty.

That is fact, but hey slander me, that is what people do when they have lost the debate.




Well do they not support such policies that produce those end results.

Immigration restrictions are totally American and have worked.

So because it has not yet, it will not?

Liberty built this nation, immigration was a by product of its success.

In the modern age we need less immigration.

Because that was a different time.

We did not have a welfare system for people to use.

We had a labor market/monetary policy were unskilled could earn enough to make a living.

We had people wanting Liberty, true Liberty not just the same politics that they left behind.

We had were united in one culture, one language.

That is not the case anymore.

Instead of keeping out people with incompatible cultures and values we let them flood over our nation.

Instead of keeping out people with infectious diseases we allowed them to flood into our nation as if their is no harm to our citizenry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/us/politics/31travel.html?_r=0

Instead of limiting immigration to protect the wages and stranded of living we allow millions to flood into that nation and reduce our worker of all collars and industries and is reducing the American stranded of living more and more to that of the 3rd world.

Instead of limiting immigration as to protect the culture and foundation of America, Liberty we allow millions to flood into this nation who vote to replace our culture and values with that of their home nation by pandering officials who are more then happy to give them your wealth at the expense of our Liberty and future.
Don't you think the government somehow need immigrants as a working power for our economy? The government of your country, of your nation, of your future.
 
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